Re: Chelsea - Juventus: CL Group Stage

by Lord Hades Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:31 pm

N o offence but a lot of teams outplayed the current cl holders Laughing

by Ion Creanga Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:34 pm

Lord Hades wrote:N o offence but a lot of teams outplayed the current cl holders

Not really.. chelsea were very good home last ucl season, they beat barcelona and napoli, and won all group games home

by Lord Hades Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:42 pm

tuddor wrote:
Lord Hades wrote:N o offence but a lot of teams outplayed the current cl holders
Not really.. chelsea were very good home last ucl season, they beat barcelona and napoli, and won all group games home

key word is outplayed

by Ion Creanga Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:48 pm

Lord Hades wrote:
tuddor wrote:
Lord Hades wrote:N o offence but a lot of teams outplayed the current cl holders
Not really.. chelsea were very good home last ucl season, they beat barcelona and napoli, and won all group games home

key word is outplayed

i can't say napoli "outplayed" chelsea on stamford... They dominated all their group games home, especially the 3-0 win with valencia.. And with barcelona, what did you expect them to do? Or with Bayern at Allianz Arena? every team in the world would have play defensive those games

by S Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:22 pm

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Again i stress the fact that we are very different from a typical Serie A team and that is we are a very athletic side and possess a lot of players with great stamina.

by Cotes Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:32 pm

Surag wrote:

Again i stress the fact that we are very different from a typical Serie A team and that is we are a very athletic side and possess a lot of players with great stamina.

Marchisio is the man of the match...
Oscar did score 2 greats goal but before the first one, he was invisible
Marchisio did the most work & 2 great assist...

by LeBéninois Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:33 pm

asamoah , marchioso , vidal, pirlo , barzagli : That STAMINA :bow:

by Arquitecto Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:36 pm

Luca wrote:To Arq:

I think we were both right.

The first 30 minutes, your analysis was spot on. Juventus couldn't create much, and they looked very nervous.

However, the rest of the game showed Conte's spirit even without him on the touchline. The substitutions were great, and the game opened up. Great spirit from Juventus

Great game

I wanted to catch up with you on this.

Juve were exactly how I predicted in the 1st 30 mins. Yet the rest game the game was mostly Juve. Carerra from what I have seen isn't Conte (obviously) but actually has a very good understanding of the game and has the balls that Conte has. I am very surprised how Juve got back into the game as this I forgot how good they are when down goals.

Chelsea after the 30 mins played their tactics well yet didn't watch out for Vidal's increasing presence and Marchisio's classic ability to turn on the f**king afterburners to full and grab the game by the neck when Juve are down. Both of them combined superbly to take the game back into there hands. 2nd half was a purely Juve half although Chelsea looked great in there counters exploiting Juve's high line. Yet Pirlo finally got into the game because Juve finally played organized to their disorganized 3-5-2 in the beginning of the game. Therefore Asamoah could exert more influence while Vidal and Marchisio made it look easy. I wanted Chelsea to win yet am happy Quags got this vital goal as its no surprise Mr. Clutch did just that. Classic angle of Quagliarella for the goal and I knew he wouldn't miss.

Notes:

-Giovinco despite playing very well against Chelsea last time (Juve-Chelsea knockout rounds) was off today. He has a few great passes yet was off mark and wasteful. I personally think he thrives better with a 9 and not Vucinic. I might be wrong since Gio's confidence wasn't there.

-Vucinic was superb. And I mean he was very good. Neal and I discussed how he had everything but the goal. Held up the ball and was vital in getting Juve back into the game. Under pressure and tight space he is astoundingly good. If not for the wasted chance he would be MOTM.

-Lichtsteiner is WC. Completely marked out Hazard despite a little off pace yet was perfect.

-Barza and Cheillini were fantastic. Yet Bonnuci the best CB with his calm and composed role as his Sweeper role. Encouraging.

-Pirlo looked fatigued even at the Genoa game and shouldn't have played that game. He needs to rest in smaller games where Vidal can support Marchisio is his proven subdued passing deep role or at least Pogba. Pirlo needs rest.

-Carrera had balls bringing in Quagliarella and especially partnering him with Matri ( a combo which doesn't work) but it showed his attacking intent. Isla was another risky move but he replicated Licht's exploits with Hazard.

Overall I am very surprised Juve did so well given their first Euro start as its obvious Conte (and Carerra) have given them an iron mentality. Conte's lack of touchline and training presence WILL effect them. But not as much as I thought especially considering I may be underestimating Carerra. They can only get better in European games. Shaktar at home will be Juve's next Cl game and will probably be the hardest since Shaktar are superb at home (but not so much away). Its better to get the most difficult tie over with as I don't see Chelsea performing so well like they did in SB than at the Juve Arena.

Overall an interesting tactical battle but Juve for me was the better overall team (so were the fans who dominated Laughing

). Chelsea did nothing wrong yet sadly couldn't hold off the midfield resurgence by Mar-Vid. Their goals were a deflection and a wondergoal when Vidal was off so I wouldn't be too worried. Juve just need to find the right balance up front supporting their 3-5-2.

Vucinic and Vidal honourable mentions.

But Marchisio MOTM. No doubt.

by Swanhends Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:37 pm

Raptorgunner wrote:Will be a great game to watch, going with a 2-2.

The spirit of excellence brought by Bould is clearly with Raptorgunner :bow:

by Cotes Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:39 pm

LOOOOL....CONTE STILL BEING CONTE!
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by Blue Barrett Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:39 am

Gianluigi Buffon on Oscar: "I won’t say it’s nice to concede, but it’s nice to be a part of a great goal like that. Compliments to him."

So much class :bow:

by Juveman17 Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:10 am

Barrettinator wrote:Gianluigi Buffon on Oscar: "I won’t say it’s nice to concede, but it’s nice to be a part of a great goal like that. Compliments to him."

So much class

Gigione

by Juveman17 Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:10 am

Cotes wrote:LOOOOL....CONTE STILL BEING CONTE!

haha he probably would have ran to celebrate with Quags on the field

by Raptorgunner Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:44 am

Swanhends wrote:
Raptorgunner wrote:Will be a great game to watch, going with a 2-2.

The spirit of excellence brought by Bould is clearly with Raptorgunner

We need Bould to put some fear in them for the Sunday game, hope we can beat City.

by DidierDrogba11 Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:17 am

the Referee was Bullshit, i don't like to moan here but i feel injustice , Chelsea should have had 2 clear cut penalties.

Anyway what a fantastic Goal by Oscar, That was WorldClass :bow:

by DeviAngel Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:36 am

DidierDrogba11 wrote:the Referee was Bullshit, i don't like to moan here but i feel injustice , Chelsea should have had 2 clear cut penalties.

Anyway what a fantastic Goal by Oscar, That was WorldClass

They will never whistle it in UCL they can always rely on the rule called outmuscle

by DidierDrogba11 Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:49 am

DeviAngel wrote:
DidierDrogba11 wrote:the Referee was Bullshit, i don't like to moan here but i feel injustice , Chelsea should have had 2 clear cut penalties.

Anyway what a fantastic Goal by Oscar, That was WorldClass

They will never whistle it in UCL they can always rely on the rule called outmuscle

but it wasn't outmuscling, Hazard was clearly tripped by a clumsy tackle and JT was clearly brought down by Chiellini before the corner was taken.

it has happened twice now, should have had 2 pens against QPR as well Rolling Eyes

by Arquitecto Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:36 am

DidierDrogba11 wrote:
DeviAngel wrote:
DidierDrogba11 wrote:the Referee was Bullshit, i don't like to moan here but i feel injustice , Chelsea should have had 2 clear cut penalties.

Anyway what a fantastic Goal by Oscar, That was WorldClass

They will never whistle it in UCL they can always rely on the rule called outmuscle

So clear that everyone except Chelsea fans agree they both weren't pens. Forget "Terry and Cheillini" since no one is even talking about that. The Hazard and Licht one was a dive with Hazard collapsing like the london bridge because he was touched.

No penalties. End of

but it wasn't outmuscling, Hazard was clearly tripped by a clumsy tackle and JT was clearly brought down by Chiellini before the corner was taken.

it has happened twice now, should have had 2 pens against QPR as well

by rwo power Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:01 am

Barrettinator wrote:Gianluigi Buffon on Oscar: "I won’t say it’s nice to concede, but it’s nice to be a part of a great goal like that. Compliments to him."

So much class

I know why I fangirl so much about Gigi Very Happy

by Onyx Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:25 pm

Would Giovinco be better as winger? I don't think he offers much up front. He was wasteful.

by 7amood11 Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:35 pm

Yohan Modric wrote:Would Giovinco be better as winger? I don't think he offers much up front. He was wasteful.

He was actually great in the league so far. I think he just had an off game tonight. If you mean play him on the wing of a 3-5-2, then that will never happen. That involves a lot of defending and running nonstop for 90 minutes, something Giovinco is incapable of doing.

by Onyx Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:37 pm

Play LW cutting in. It's the same with Robinho at Milan.

by eyeopener Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:24 pm

I'm not surprised with Juventus's good display in Stamford Bridge. A lot of people, football analysts and media are suddenly talking that Juventus might be a dangerous outsider for the Champions League title, I already knew this for more than a year, but i will correct them:

Juventus is the favorite to lift the Champions League this 2012/13 season.

I consider them better and more complete than the likes of Real Madrid, Manchester City, Manchester United & Chelsea who are slightly behind the first tier teams in Europe. The first tier teams in Europa at the moment are Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Juventus themselves. Out of that 3, i rate Juventus the highest right now. Juventus are back..watch out Europe!

by Lord Hades Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:04 pm

eyeopener wrote:I'm not surprised with Juventus's good display in Stamford Bridge. A lot of people, football analysts and media are suddenly talking that Juventus might be a dangerous outsider for the Champions League title, I already knew this for more than a year, but i will correct them:

Juventus is the favorite to lift the Champions League this 2012/13 season.

I consider them better and more complete than the likes of Real Madrid, Manchester City, Manchester United & Chelsea who are slightly behind the first tier teams in Europe. The first tier teams in Europa at the moment are Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Juventus themselves. Out of that 3, i rate Juventus the highest right now. Juventus are back..watch out Europe!

by eyeopener Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:41 pm

Lord Hades wrote:
eyeopener wrote:I'm not surprised with Juventus's good display in Stamford Bridge. A lot of people, football analysts and media are suddenly talking that Juventus might be a dangerous outsider for the Champions League title, I already knew this for more than a year, but i will correct them:

Juventus is the favorite to lift the Champions League this 2012/13 season.

I consider them better and more complete than the likes of Real Madrid, Manchester City, Manchester United & Chelsea who are slightly behind the first tier teams in Europe. The first tier teams in Europa at the moment are Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Juventus themselves. Out of that 3, i rate Juventus the highest right now. Juventus are back..watch out Europe!

Yeah be suprised by the fact that there are a couple people left on this planet who look further than Barcelona & Real Madrid. I consider Juventus as the favorite, and better than Real madrid, what's strange about that?

by 7amood11 Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:05 pm

Well, this Juventus side is still unproven in Europe. This season's CL campaign will show everybody where we stand.

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