Is there any true Trequartista left in football?

You are again describing an attacking midfielder.

free_cat wrote:You are again describing an attacking midfielder.

No he isn't. The term trequartista is an italian name for the person that plays behind the striker. Ozil plays AM fro Madrid and you can't tell me they had similar functions to Totti, Baggo, Leonardo etc Modern players in the #10 have to run as much as anyone on the field,such as Ozil, Rooney, Silva, Mata, Oscar. and neither of this players shoulder the responsibilites alone of sole creation. It's really not that hard to understand.

In the 90s teams were playing 343/ 3412 formations in Serie A and it became more negative.I remember Ancelottis Roma having Totti shoulder the creative burden of Capello's Roma with 3 medianos behind him to do the running, Di Bagio, Tommassi and Di Francesco. Same thing with Juve at the time. 2 strikers in front of Zidane and behind him were Conte, Di Lovio, Deschamps and Davids. Another team was the AC milan team in the late 90s, which had a 343 with Ambrosini and Albertini acting as destroyers for Leonardo....

This is the reason why Pirlo's regista position was a tactical breakthrough. All the teams were set up to stop trequartistas creating then Manzone was like "Pirlo, play in front of the defence as a reverse libero". So no AMs and Trequartistas are noyt the same for anyone that has watched Italian football long enoughto know what it means. Now the #10 position is filled with Runners like Palacio and KVB. runners rather than creators, grafters rather than artists, but the deat of the trequartista shows the evolution of calcio in a way. With modern football becoming more about the collective, we will probably never see a team (bar Barcelona ) that depends so much on specialists position.

If after that you still believe they are the same....


son...I'm dissapoint...

Targus wrote:

The Franchise wrote:So to be a trequartista you have to be

A. Lazy?

B. Have funtional but less talented teammates who dont have the capacity to create?

Then good, they are "gone" in my opinion.

of course not, I think that you don't like Italian football, if you did I think you would know for what kind of trequartista I was talking for,
its that kind of player that doesn't have many defensive responsibilities, the player who runs and dribbles, has perfect shot technique, doesn't score very often but makes scoring chances, and is able to play behind the strikers and on both sides depending on his shooting foot.
Have you seen ADP or Totti play, they were the typical Italian trequartista players.

First of all, dont jump to silly conclusions. I dont like Italian football? Please be quite.

A player who doesnt have defensive responsibilities? Usually given to the most talented players at the times and not by accident, they are also the most lazy. Thats not really debateable. Totti is and always has been lazy.

The Franchise wrote:

Targus wrote:

The Franchise wrote:So to be a trequartista you have to be

A. Lazy?

B. Have funtional but less talented teammates who dont have the capacity to create?

Then good, they are "gone" in my opinion.

of course not, I think that you don't like Italian football, if you did I think you would know for what kind of trequartista I was talking for,
its that kind of player that doesn't have many defensive responsibilities, the player who runs and dribbles, has perfect shot technique, doesn't score very often but makes scoring chances, and is able to play behind the strikers and on both sides depending on his shooting foot.
Have you seen ADP or Totti play, they were the typical Italian trequartista players.

First of all, dont jump to silly conclusions. I dont like Italian football? Please be quite.

A player who doesnt have defensive responsibilities? Usually given to the most talented players at the times and not by accident, they are also the most lazy. Thats not really debateable. Totti is and always has been lazy.

Dani pls

Trequartista = Attacking midfielder in italian.

Let's not fool ourselves, there isn't a football position that only exists in Italy.

No, a trequartista is more the half way point between AM and SS. Unless you think Ozil plays the same position as Baggio, Del Piero, and Totti...

free_cat wrote:Trequartista = Attacking midfielder in italian.

Let's not fool ourselves, there isn't a football position that only exists in Italy.

Depended on the system. Probably best you stick to la liga brah. If you think ams are the same as trequartistas.

I actually thought trequartista's were AM's at first too. However since the term is Italian and the players who are called it are players like Del Piero, Totti etc, it's different to AM. Those players are more forwards, rather than midfielders.

juventus101 wrote:No, a trequartista is more the half way point between AM and SS. Unless you think Ozil plays the same position as Baggio, Del Piero, and Totti...

Yeah, sure, I'll also make up positions of players:

- 'centralibero': Position inbetween the DM and the CB.
- Right defensive extremo: Neither a right winger, nor a right midfielder, neither a right fullback.
- 1/2 striker: in the middle of second striker and striker.

Btw, a second striker is also an attacking midfielder positionally. The differences between all of them - AM, SS, trequartista - are based on the players characteristics and the coach instructions. Not their position.

Oh, and trequartistas being Italian its another difference, turns out you have to be Italian to play this 'position'.

free_cat wrote:Btw, a second striker is also an attacking midfielder positionally. The differences between all of them - AM, SS, trequartista - are based on the players characteristics and the coach instructions. Not their position.

Oh, and trequartistas being Italian its another difference, turns out you have to be Italian to play this 'position'.

Yup like Zidane and Leonardo.

Pls go

Zidane = attacking midfielder.

Leonardo = winger or attacking midfielder.

Is not that difficult, there aren't 2.000 positions in football.

EDIT: For your information, I was being sarcastic about trequartistas having to be italian.

free_cat wrote:Zidane = attacking midfielder.

Leonardo = winger or attacking midfielder.

Is not that difficult, there aren't 2.000 positions in football.

EDIT: For your information, I was being sarcastic about trequartistas having to be italian.

Go and re read my post. did ozil and zidane dothe same thing? Ams run far more than trequartistas. It's as if you're ignoring my post. I'm done. You never watched serie A do I don't even know why I'm arguing with you tbh. People that actually watched it like Arq agree. That's enough for me.


By your logic makelele was a regista....

A trequartista is the half way point between AN and SS, just like a Sweeper/Libero is the position between DM and CB. Im not saying theres thousands of different positions in football, but trequartista and libero are well known to not be the same as AM and CB.

The Ostracised One wrote:

free_cat wrote:Zidane = attacking midfielder.

Leonardo = winger or attacking midfielder.

Is not that difficult, there aren't 2.000 positions in football.

EDIT: For your information, I was being sarcastic about trequartistas having to be italian.

Go and re read my post. did ozil and zidane dothe same thing? Ams run far more than trequartistas. It's as if you're ignoring my post. I'm done. You never watched serie A do I don't even know why I'm arguing with you tbh. People that actually watched it like Arq agree. That's enough for me.


By your logic makelele was a regista....

It's ridiculous trying to claim that Italy has a position for footballers that nowhere else exists.

Makelele wasn't a "regista" (another made up position), he was a DM and had the same position in the field as Pirlo. They are very different players, but not because of their position, but because of their charachteristics and what the coach demands and expects of them.

juventus101 wrote:A trequartista is the half way point between AN and SS, just like a Sweeper/Libero is the position between DM and CB. Im not saying theres thousands of different positions in football, but trequartista and libero are well known to not be the same as AM and CB.

See, sweeper indeed is a real position (not between CB and DM, but actually behind the CB is where sweepers play) and as a real position, everywhere in the world they have sweepers.
And indeed, it would be a good question to ask if sweepers are dead. Because sweepers depended a lot on man-marking and we don't see man marking anymore. In Catalonia, I only see sweepers playing in amateur teams and very youth football.

It's just that in Serie A players like Totti, Del Piero were called Trequartista's, I don't think there were any in other leagues.

What's this? Trequartista and Attacking Midfielder the same? Free I know you don't enjoy Calcio at all but there is a distinction.

What is the difference? Well An attacking midfielder is a central midfielder who is stationed in an advanced midfield position, usually behind the strikers. These players typically serve as the offensive pivot of the team. This specialist midfielder’s main role is to create goal-scoring opportunities using superior vision and skill. The attacking midfielder is an important position that requires the player to possess superior technical abilities in terms of passing and, perhaps more importantly, the ability to read the opposing defence in order to deliver defence-splitting passes to the strikers.

Trequartista's are AMs, yet AMs are not Trequartisti.

Its the difference between Sneijder's role at Inter and Totti for Roma. AMs attack the line directly whilst finding space within to split the defence. TQs remain usually static and drift in and out between space and are afforded no other responsibility but a creative burden afforded by the manager.

Why has it been naturally phased out? The emergence of the 4-4-2 and 4-3-3 which doesn't require TQs despite having AMs with set responsibilities able to function within the formations. Emergence of withdrawn AMs who have defensive responsibilities in pivot roles also another vast distinction.

Here is a heat map of Luis Suarez, one of the few last Trequartisti in football (his role since Sturridge's inclusion)



Look at the map, it possesses zero discipline, zero defensive cover mark points and complete freedom to which Suarez is afforded.

Silva, Mata, Messi Goetze and Kagawa are nowhere near TQs and never have been (bar Oezil at Bremen and Goetze in his early days)

Current TQs are Totti and Pjanic under Andreazzoli, Andrea Cossu of Cagliari, Ale Diamanti of Bologna, Miccoli of Palermo, Aquilani in his role for Fiorentina, Cassano for Inter (watch 2nd leg of Spurs v Inter for example), Hamsik of Napoli, Lodi of Catania, Zlatan for PSG in Ligue 1 (not UCL), Luis Suarez, Toni Kroos, Aimar for Benfica, Gourcuff for Lyon, etc etc I can name a few more.

All players with marks and roles of a TQ and not an AM. Its like comparing a Fantasisti with a False 9. Apples and oranges.

If this confuses you, thats just how Calcio is. A league where painstaking detail is put into minute details to which shouldn't matter in modern football. They attempt to play Chess while the others play Checkers yet the pace of the modern game doesn't allow that anymore. Hence why Calcio recently has struggled despite superior form post-2010

Jibers has been spot on.

I think Kroos is more of a midfielder (AM) rather than a trequartista. The way he just drops deep etc etc, would put him in the midfield category.

free_cat wrote:

The Ostracised One wrote:

free_cat wrote:Zidane = attacking midfielder.

Leonardo = winger or attacking midfielder.

Is not that difficult, there aren't 2.000 positions in football.

EDIT: For your information, I was being sarcastic about trequartistas having to be italian.

Go and re read my post. did ozil and zidane dothe same thing? Ams run far more than trequartistas. It's as if you're ignoring my post. I'm done. You never watched serie A do I don't even know why I'm arguing with you tbh. People that actually watched it like Arq agree. That's enough for me.


By your logic makelele was a regista....

It's ridiculous trying to claim that Italy has a position for footballers that nowhere else exists.

Makelele wasn't a "regista" (another made up position), he was a DM and had the same position in the field as Pirlo. They are very different players, but not because of their position, but because of their charachteristics and what the coach demands and expects of them.

The thing is, it isn't a "position" that only exists in Italy

Its about how the position is played in a certain way

Not every AM needs the eye for pass only, to succeed you know...

KPB relies on athletic ability and his physique to get the job done

Whereas a player like Ozil would try to set up goal scoring chance

TQs where prevalent in Italy beforehand because that was Italy's footballing culture back then (still is to an extent)

Jibs is right, if you cant even admit that, then i dont even know why i should continue this argument

PS ( Not saying KPB is a TQ, but making an argument on this "position" in Italy bs is)

PPS ( Im not Dnmac, so don't expect me to write a 3 page Thesis as my next response, hell i might not even respond ffs)

Come to think of it, Messi plays TQ for Argentina.

Gotze isn't an AM. He's more of a SS, like Messi when playing for Argentina.

If I recall correctly Rui Costa was a trequartista right? Brilliant player he was.

Forgive me and correct me if I'm wrong since it is just sort of a question but would you consider Berbatov to be a trequartista or something near a trequartista ? Or does have some of the characteristics of a trequartista?

If you say no, can I get a proper explanation as to why ? AND If no still, can he be utilized as one or is he viable in such a role ? (I'm just trying to learn since I'm not that familiar with the trequartista)

I'll give my reasons as to why I think he could be considered a trequartista in my opinion. ( I may not necessarily be right and again I just want to learn more and converse since this is quite an engrossing topic for me)

This is my conception of a Trequartista :

First of all what is Trequartista? I understand Trequartista to mean three quarters in Italian. Inferences can be drawn that the Trequartista is a player who is ( not limited to but ) 3/4 up the pitch , finding space, playmaking and exploiting that valuable space in the hole .

He is the player with the ultimate freedom to do what he chooses with the ball and is positionally liberated as well . With little or no defensive responsibilities , basically a lazy genius.

He is also a player that is able to retain the ball , score ( ofc ) assist and always be a passing outlet for his teammates.

Am I accurate in my conceptions?

Now why have I mentioned Berba in such a role? Not because he is just simply lazy if that's what your thinking.'' ''Oh he's just a striker. '' to me he is more than that for Fulham. Before you just completely shoot down the notion you must understand that although Berba usually plays in the 4-4-2 for Fulham,you must understand that he's never the most advanced striker of the two even though it seems so on paper. I know most of the EPL's managers' stiff and somewhat dull tactical approaches over the various seasons haven't seen any place for such a player over the years but what do you consider Berba to be for his team ? Just a talisman?

On a statistics site, I looked at 5 games in which he played in this season ( including the Chelsea game yesterday ) . I viewed his heat maps from the various games and what I saw was a player who got about all over the pitch and roamed everywhere,Berbatov makes himself available all around the pitch and for that reason is making more touches than most of his teammates . In these same games I looked at, I looked at the action areas of the player and in all 5 of those games most of his actions which took place were either in the AM Strata/Area or a more advanced midfielder area. What was more remarkable in the action areas was not how most of his actions took place in those areas but how he had actions basically all over the pitch.

From what I've seen of him when I've seen Fulham play, is that Fulham are reliant on him and not completely in the goal sense I mean. If you watch Fulham play,they seem reliant on him in getting the ball forward as well, they play through him and because he drops so deep , they rely on him to play them out of trouble way too much . He can sometimes be seen in games literally demanding the ball from other players. I can remember in January of this year when they played City ( In a 2-0 victory for City) one of the goals was because he dropped so deep, that when the ball was played to him , he held it up and checked back to one of the Fulham players and because City pressed so high, they dispossessed the Fulham player with ease because of Berba's tendency to play at his pace and Fulham's reliance on playing through him and not getting the ball forward quick enough.

Berba himself has talked about his playing style stating that he loves to play with beauty and grace, its footballing philosophy he's had from since he was a little child.

I'm sorry to turn this into a debate OP.

On a side note, would you guys agree that Veron may have failed with UTD because he was the enganche/trequartista type of player that was not usually accommodated in EPL lineups?

bertolacci

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Come to think of it, Messi plays TQ for Argentina.

I kind of agree with this.

Arquitecto wrote:Current TQs are Totti and Pjanic under Andreazzoli, Andrea Cossu of Cagliari, Ale Diamanti of Bologna, Miccoli of Palermo, Aquilani in his role for Fiorentina, Cassano for Inter (watch 2nd leg of Spurs v Inter for example), Hamsik of Napoli, Lodi of Catania, Zlatan for PSG in Ligue 1 (not UCL), Luis Suarez, Toni Kroos, Aimar for Benfica, Gourcuff for Lyon, etc etc I can name a few more.

I agree with most of those examples, Arq. But mind elaborating the ones I highlighted in Red?