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Post by salmano9 Sun Jan 31, 2016 2:37 pm

S wrote:Take a bow son,what a game. :bow:

I dont care about the quality of the opposition today but its a fact that he's developed into a complete midfielder this year.
Early on in the season,i thought he was struggling to keep possession,releasing the ball too early,now he gives himself much more time on the ball.
Has to be said with Marchisio beside him,he plays even better,like a leader.

True.... Hernanes is really really average.

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Post by juvealbanian Sun Jan 31, 2016 6:46 pm

At the start it was really frustrating to see him lose possesion often.But we can say he's back on the right track and looks far more mature and calm now.
With our midfield finally finding a solid trio he doesn't have to try that hard anymore.
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Post by salmano9 Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:11 pm

juvealbanian wrote:At the start it was really frustrating to see him lose possesion often.But we can say he's back on the right track and looks far more mature and calm now.
With our midfield finally finding a solid trio he doesn't have to try that hard anymore.

I won't say solid, because Khedira is very injury prone and I don't think he can play more than 2-3 matches in a row.
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Post by rincon Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:33 pm

Its really solid, when Khedira can't play we have Sturaro and Asamoah. Any of them can fill in perfectly. Sturaro played most of our games during this win streak and Asamoah looks fantastic now, just needs some time to get fully fit.

Loving this Pogba, best midfielder in the world if he keeps this up.
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Post by salmano9 Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:54 pm

rincon wrote:Its really solid, when Khedira can't play we have Sturaro and Asamoah. Any of them can fill in perfectly. Sturaro played most of our games during this win streak and Asamoah looks fantastic now, just needs some time to get fully fit.

Loving this Pogba, best midfielder in the world if he keeps this up.

I do not see a lot of Sturaro lately! I would love to. We need a new Marchisio.
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Post by rincon Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:59 pm

Khedira and Asamoah returning limits him, but I love the kid. I'd consider playing him against Bayern, at least in the away game. He can defend better than any of our midfielders.
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Post by salmano9 Mon Feb 01, 2016 2:08 pm

rincon wrote:Khedira and Asamoah returning limits him, but I love the kid. I'd consider playing him against Bayern, at least in the away game. He can defend better than any of our midfielders.

Not better than Marchisio trust me! Marchisio is all over the pitch when defending. He is very solid in the midfield. We started playing much better with his return from the injury.

But I agree, I think that Allegri sees something in him in Europe, just as he played him in the first leg last year against Real. He should play at least one of the legs.
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Post by rincon Mon Feb 01, 2016 2:11 pm

Oh no doubt, I think Marchisio is our most important player. But he has more responsibilities than just defending. Sturaro has the freedom to hound everyone and press high. His games against Madrid and City were beautiful.
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Post by salmano9 Mon Feb 01, 2016 2:14 pm

rincon wrote:Oh no doubt, I think Marchisio is our most important player. But he has more responsibilities than just defending. Sturaro has the freedom to hound everyone and press high. His games against Madrid and City were beautiful.

Yes, he is excellent in pressing!
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Post by DeviAngel Mon Feb 01, 2016 3:58 pm

As I said its funny how much Pogba has grown in his role but its even funnier how dependent on Marchisio he is.
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Post by S Mon Feb 01, 2016 4:26 pm

I dont think he necessarily 'depends' on Marchisio.

It just happens so that it elevates his performance when he has an apt player like Marchisio anchoring the midfield.

Its pretty much the same thing when Pirlo was pulling the strings in midfield.

So its a bit unfair to say he depends on Marchisio.Pogba plays with a lot more freedom and do his own thing when Claudio's around.
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Post by sportsczy Mon Feb 01, 2016 6:40 pm

Every corner midfielder in a 3 man midfield is dependent on the center midfielder being competent... You can't have the opposition trap the corner mids against the sidelines so the central midfielder MUST be respected by the opposition. In some ways, it's easier to play in the middle because you're not constrained by the sidelines. But it's also harder in others because you need to have great work rate, good vision, good passing, etc.

Just to give you an example... in Carlo's first year, Madrid started the season with Illaramendi as the central mid. He was very poor and both Modric and Isco looked awful by association. Once Alonso came back from injury, everybody played back up to form.
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Post by DeviAngel Mon Feb 01, 2016 8:12 pm

S wrote:I dont think he necessarily 'depends' on Marchisio.

It just happens so that it elevates his performance when he has an apt player like Marchisio anchoring the midfield.

Its pretty much the same thing when Pirlo was pulling the strings in midfield.

So its a bit unfair to say he depends on Marchisio.Pogba plays with a lot more freedom and do his own thing when Claudio's around.


Not dependent like he is nothing without him, depended like from that class of a player in that position. His roaming and free role depends on having Marchisio fit as DM in our team. I agree with what you said, I was saying basically the same thing with other words. (the bold one)
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Post by S Sat Feb 06, 2016 6:33 am

Juventus have no intention of selling Pogba but they will have to consider it if the player asks for a transfer. #GdS
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Post by S Sat Feb 06, 2016 8:42 am

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Post by salmano9 Sat Feb 06, 2016 2:56 pm

Nice chart
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Post by juvealbanian Sat Feb 06, 2016 5:40 pm

Nice indeed.It does't prove that he's already better than Zidane but however you can see Pogba is a better all-around midfielder with Zizou being more creative.Platini scoring instict was no inferior to his time best strikers despite him playing as trequartista.
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Post by Adit Sat Feb 06, 2016 7:12 pm

Pogba better all around midfielder than Zidane lmfao.

Seriously on every level of game, be it dribbling,creativity,match control, passing,shooting,play making everything Zidane was on another level. Pogba is more close to Isco and Verrati than he is to Zidane.

About the statistics.

Zidane and Platini played at a time Serie A was uncontested best league in the world by far.


Pogba plays in a age where Serie A is closer to french league in quality than to the best leagues at the moment.
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Post by Luca Sat Feb 06, 2016 8:55 pm

Adit wrote:Pogba better all around midfielder than Zidane lmfao.

Seriously on every level of game, be it dribbling,creativity,match control, passing,shooting,play making everything Zidane was on another level. Pogba is more close to Isco and Verrati than he is to Zidane.

About the statistics.

Zidane and Platini played at a time Serie A was uncontested best league in the world by far.


Pogba plays in a age where Serie A is closer to french league in quality than to the best leagues at the moment.


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Post by juvealbanian Sat Feb 06, 2016 10:30 pm

Calma madrid fanboy...
I didn't said Pogba is better.I meant he is a mid who plays deeper than Zizou and like it or not his defensive game is what makes him all around better type of midfielder.

If Pogba played more advanced like Zidane did he will have even higher numbers in G&A (than his current ones)

I do agree about the level of calcio now and then but that's not even worth to mention as we all know.Even though he played with Alex and David upfront and not Matri or Quagliarella.

Also give time to poor boy,he's only 22.

Zizou > Pogba anyday ofc but...
Zizou is a Madrid legend and didn't played for other teams....what else can I say ? Very Happy
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Post by juvealbanian Sat Feb 06, 2016 10:31 pm

And that comment about PSG league is stupid btw
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Post by salmano9 Sat Feb 06, 2016 11:34 pm

Adit wrote:Pogba better all around midfielder than Zidane lmfao.

Seriously on every level of game, be it dribbling,creativity,match control, passing,shooting,play making everything Zidane was on another level. Pogba is more close to Isco and Verrati than he is to Zidane.

About the statistics.

Zidane and Platini played at a time Serie A was uncontested best league in the world by far.


Pogba plays in a age where Serie A is closer to french league in quality than to the best leagues at the moment.

Man, don't just come here and state the obvious and piss us off... You can't compare a legend with the best young MF in the world. I think I understand what the other guy was talking about with all the fights and tension that is happening in the RM section... Please keep the trash talk and BS out of here. It is calm here and we don't want problems.
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Post by rincon Sun Feb 07, 2016 12:49 am

Young madrid fans tend to forget that zidane is also a juve legend and take it personally Laughing
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Post by salmano9 Sun Aug 07, 2016 8:18 pm

@juve_gigi wrote:
Congrats to Manchester United and congrats to Firenze for winning the coveted GL belt.

I've been following European football since the 80's. Yes I'm much older than you folks. I was known as "Papa" back in the old forums. This whole one club is bigger than the other nonsense is just that, nonsense. Both clubs have huge history and are bigger clubs than the other in different respects. In Canada there are Juve fans everywhere, but also a lot of ManU fans. We have lots of English pubs out here. I have two good friends, one is a ManU fan, one is a Milanista and I am a Juventino. And we can all sit down and state our case as to who is bigger than the other.

At the end of the day Pogba went to ManU for the money. If you asked 100 people outside of GL 99 of them will tell you this. The ones that think otherwise are either somewhat delusional or have some type of hate going on for Juve. In reality Serie A cannot compete with the EPL money wise. To suggest Juve is not a big club because they can't keep their top players is very narrow minded. The reality is Serie A doesn't have a $5 billion+ tv contract. If we did we could easily afford to keep our biggest stars. The fact that we can challenge the likes of Bayern, Barca and Madrid and actually beat them or be real competitive against them is a true testament to the management of Juventus and Giuseppe Marotta, as he has built a super club on a shoe string budget. If ManU had the same budget as Juve they would be competing for the relegation spots in EPL not the CL spots.

I used to follow Serie A when they were the biggest league in the world with the biggest stars. Platini, Maradona, Van Basten, Maldini, Ronaldo, Zidane, Kaka, etc. I could go on and on. Those were the glory days. We were a much bigger League than the EPL or La Liga. If you look at all the Champions League finals Italy is tied with Spain for most final appearances as of right now with 27, so history tells you Serie A has been a huge league and the best league in the world at some points in its history. But times have changed and today money talks. That's it. It's only because of the money that Serie A is not in the same class anymore. ManU are re-building their team simply by BUYING the players. That's it. I don't see a lot of stars on their team that are from their youth academy or have been with the team for long stretches. Let's see where all this money takes them. It takes more than money to win. Mourinho has to find a "team" and a system that will work for his players. To think he will just walk the league is short sighted. Arsenal, ManCity, Chelsea will give him good competition. Watch out for Antonio Conte. He may surprise you. He turned a 7th place Juve into a powerhouse and an undefeated season in only one year. Don't count out Chelsea. They could surprise and win the League.

Anyways, good luck to Paul Pogba. The last 4 years have been wonderful to watch. We almost did it 2 years ago and we have a great chance to win the CL this year even without you, so too bad you couldn't stick around to enjoy the ride. Perhaps we will meet again next year in the CL.
Well said! This really makes sense and I couldn't have said it better. It is really nice to have you back talk abut the present Juve. It makes us, the younger generation, have hope that everything will be fine.
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Post by juve_gigi Sun Aug 07, 2016 8:49 pm

Haha, thanks Salmano.  It's frustrating for me as a lifelong Juventino to see posters half my age talk about how their teams have better history than Juve or that we are a feeder club, etc.  

Juventus is known around the world as one of the biggest clubs in the history of European football.  People my age know this.  But kids only see the last 10-15 years and see La Liga as the bomb and the EPL as the league where all the Gods play.  I mean ManCity and Chelsea are two of the top teams in the EPL over the last 10 years or so, what history do they have exactly?  They've won a combined ONE Champions League in their history and they are bigger than Juve?

It's all driven by money now.  Thank God Juve have their own stadium and we have smart people running the show.  Giuseppe Marotta is the BEST director general in the world.  Nobody could be doing what he is doing on a Serie B budget.  He buys Pogba from ManU for FREE and then they pay us $100 million to get him back!!  lol!!  If they didn't have that money lying around they would still be crying about their $100 million mistake, as Pogba would have never left if it weren't for the OBSCENE wages ManU has to pay him in order to convince him to leave.

Anyways, I've seen much better players come and go from Juve over the years.  Pogba doesn't even rank in my top 5 of players lost in reality based on his current form.  He could turn out to be a future Ballon d'or winner, he has that talent, but as of right now he's not even the best midfielder in the world, so he has some work to do to live up to the hype.  With him playing as a DM in a double pivot 4-2-3-1 formation, it might make it even harder for him to reach his potential, but he is not our problem anymore, so we don't have to worry.

I'm excited about the season.  It looks like we have at least one more signing coming up, so I trust Marotta to sign the right midfielder.  We will compete for CL glory this year, I am sure of it.  EuroMax will see to this.  Remember we were tied with Barca in the final with 20 minutes to go two years ago and last year we were on the brink of beating Bayern.  This year will be no different.  We will challenge for the CL.  I know it.

Forza Juve!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :bow: :bow: :bow:
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Post by rincon Mon Aug 08, 2016 9:00 am

Pogba has had such a positive impact at Juve that even after leaving I don't see the reason to dislike him or be mad.

He came for free at 18 with 0 experience and immediately became part of a stacked midfield under such a tactically demanding coach like Conte. How many 18 year old kids can break through Marchisio-Pirlo-Vidal? How many kids can convince Conte who values tactical awareness and experience above absolutely everything?

His play was great and every year he got better. This year he was ridiculously good once the team clicked and he changed his game so much in that "free" role. Really entertaining and likable too. He was never really "Juve" like the veterans, or even like Dybala and Mandzukic seem to be, but he still represented us well. I'm sure he got the club a ton more fans and publicity too.

On top of that Juve got a world record transfer fee, literally couldn't ask for more from a player who clearly was not going to be a 1-club man.

Best of luck to Pogba Molenation

I will follow Chelsea in the EPL next season cause Conte > everyone for me, but I wanna see Pogba succeed at United too.
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