Has Suarez surpassed Cristiano and Ibra to become the 2nd best player in the world?

Valkyrja wrote:

You call that tap-ins ?

They were great finishes. But my God, you don't call chasing perfectly weighted throughballs by Moutinho into oceans of space behind the defensive line of one of the worst national teams out there in a WC qualifier a "special" performance.

Fußball wrote:

Valkyrja wrote:

You call that tap-ins ?

They were great finishes. But my God, you don't call chasing perfectly weighted throughballs by Moutinho into oceans of space behind the defensive line of one of the worst national teams out there in a WC qualifier a "special" performance.

One question: how many players would have scored that 3 goals ? That perfectly weighted throughballs would have counted for nothing if it wasn't for the perfect timing, perfect first touch at that incredible pace and 3 great finishes. It's different when you play with WC players in each position than when you play with some portuguese scrubs.

Valkyrja wrote:

Fußball wrote:

Valkyrja wrote:

You call that tap-ins ?

They were great finishes. But my God, you don't call chasing perfectly weighted throughballs by Moutinho into oceans of space behind the defensive line of one of the worst national teams out there in a WC qualifier a "special" performance.

One question: how many players would have scored that 3 goals ? That perfectly weighted throughballs would have counted for nothing if it wasn't for the perfect timing, perfect first touch at that incredible pace and 3 great finishes. It's different when you play with WC players in each position than when you play with some portuguese scrubs.

From those passes Moutiho doesn't look like some scrub. So that is the performance that is better than anything Xavi and Iniesta have done? Please elaborate and don't back track. That is exactly what you said.

I vote Messi.

jibers wrote:

Valkyrja wrote:

Fußball wrote:

They were great finishes. But my God, you don't call chasing perfectly weighted throughballs by Moutinho into oceans of space behind the defensive line of one of the worst national teams out there in a WC qualifier a "special" performance.

One question: how many players would have scored that 3 goals ? That perfectly weighted throughballs would have counted for nothing if it wasn't for the perfect timing, perfect first touch at that incredible pace and 3 great finishes. It's different when you play with WC players in each position than when you play with some portuguese scrubs.

From those passes Moutiho doesn't look like some scrub. So that is the performance that is better than anything Xavi and Iniesta have done? Please elaborate and don't back track. That is exactly what you said.

Why I consider Ronaldo better than Iniesta and Xavi ? Because he has the ability to carry the responsibilty to lead the team, to carry it on his shoulders. Iniesta may have better close control, dribbling, passing, is more creative, has better vision, whatever you say. Just take a look at Barca-PSG in 2013. He did nothing. His performance was overlooked because of a great skill he did on Jaillet. Nothing more. Ronaldo has more substance. even if he isn't elegant, he can't do things with the ball that Iniesta does, he is always attacking the goal. Look, Iniesta is one of my favorites players to watch, but Ronaldo's aggresive way of attacking the goal and the ability to carry the team on his shoulders puts him a notch above the spaniard. Like I said before Ronaldo does his job as a forward better than Iniesta does his a mid.

It's just my opinion, not a fact.

Valkyrja wrote:

jibers wrote:

Valkyrja wrote:

One question: how many players would have scored that 3 goals ? That perfectly weighted throughballs would have counted for nothing if it wasn't for the perfect timing, perfect first touch at that incredible pace and 3 great finishes. It's different when you play with WC players in each position than when you play with some portuguese scrubs.

From those passes Moutiho doesn't look like some scrub. So that is the performance that is better than anything Xavi and Iniesta have done? Please elaborate and don't back track. That is exactly what you said.

Why I consider Ronaldo better than Iniesta and Xavi ? Because he has the ability to carry the responsibilty to lead the team, to carry it on his shoulders. Iniesta may have better close control, dribbling, passing, is more creative, has better vision, whatever you say. Just take a look at Barca-PSG in 2013. He did nothing. His performance was overlooked because of a great skill he did on Jaillet. Nothing more. Ronaldo has more substance. even if he isn't elegant, he can't do things with the ball that Iniesta does, he is always attacking the goal. Look, Iniesta is one of my favorites players to watch, but Ronaldo's aggresive way of attacking the goal and the ability to carry the team on his shoulders puts him a notch above the spaniard. Like I said before Ronaldo does his job as a forward better than Iniesta does his a mid.

It's just my opinion, not a fact.

Please respond to this

Valkyrja wrote:
Iniesta and Xavi at their best aren't better than Ronaldo. Infact his performance against Sweden is better than anything I've seen from Xavi, Iniesta and Suarez.

jibers wrote:

Valkyrja wrote:

jibers wrote:

From those passes Moutiho doesn't look like some scrub. So that is the performance that is better than anything Xavi and Iniesta have done? Please elaborate and don't back track. That is exactly what you said.

Why I consider Ronaldo better than Iniesta and Xavi ? Because he has the ability to carry the responsibilty to lead the team, to carry it on his shoulders. Iniesta may have better close control, dribbling, passing, is more creative, has better vision, whatever you say. Just take a look at Barca-PSG in 2013. He did nothing. His performance was overlooked because of a great skill he did on Jaillet. Nothing more. Ronaldo has more substance. even if he isn't elegant, he can't do things with the ball that Iniesta does, he is always attacking the goal. Look, Iniesta is one of my favorites players to watch, but Ronaldo's aggresive way of attacking the goal and the ability to carry the team on his shoulders puts him a notch above the spaniard. Like I said before Ronaldo does his job as a forward better than Iniesta does his a mid.

It's just my opinion, not a fact.

Please respond to this

Valkyrja wrote:
Iniesta and Xavi at their best aren't better than Ronaldo. Infact his performance against Sweden is better than anything I've seen from Xavi, Iniesta and Suarez.

I want you to respond to this specifically. So Ronaldo's performance against Swedish scrubs is better than anything Xavi and Iniesta has ever done? Please elaborate. I want you to elaborate on that particular comment. Don't beat around the bush. I await your response.

jibers wrote:

Valkyrja wrote:

jibers wrote:

From those passes Moutiho doesn't look like some scrub. So that is the performance that is better than anything Xavi and Iniesta have done? Please elaborate and don't back track. That is exactly what you said.

Why I consider Ronaldo better than Iniesta and Xavi ? Because he has the ability to carry the responsibilty to lead the team, to carry it on his shoulders. Iniesta may have better close control, dribbling, passing, is more creative, has better vision, whatever you say. Just take a look at Barca-PSG in 2013. He did nothing. His performance was overlooked because of a great skill he did on Jaillet. Nothing more. Ronaldo has more substance. even if he isn't elegant, he can't do things with the ball that Iniesta does, he is always attacking the goal. Look, Iniesta is one of my favorites players to watch, but Ronaldo's aggresive way of attacking the goal and the ability to carry the team on his shoulders puts him a notch above the spaniard. Like I said before Ronaldo does his job as a forward better than Iniesta does his a mid.

It's just my opinion, not a fact.

Please respond to this

Valkyrja wrote:
Iniesta and Xavi at their best aren't better than Ronaldo. Infact his performance against Sweden is better than anything I've seen from Xavi, Iniesta and Suarez.

mainly because of the reaction he had after Zlatan scored 2 goals. Iniesta is more active on the course of the match, but I've never seen him react the way Ronaldo did against Sweden. It's like he was unleashed. Yes, Moutinho's passes were great but like I said before how many players would have had that perfect timing for the run, that perfect touch at that pace and that deadly finish ?

PS: I admire your knowledge, so i'd like to tell me your opinion.

Fußball wrote:

Valkyrja wrote:

You call that tap-ins ?

They were great finishes. But my God, you don't call chasing perfectly weighted throughballs by Moutinho into oceans of space behind the defensive line of one of the worst national teams out there in a WC qualifier a "special" performance.

The scorer is just as important as the passes..
Ronaldo was pushed on to his weaker side all 3 times and still scored. He also scored in the first leg
I don't understand why people try to take credit from players when it comes to "finishing". Ronaldo is by far the greatest at getting behind defenses and making genius runs into space. That's why hes the best counter attacking player.. He gets all those 1v1 chances because of his mental edge.

And stop comparing forwards with midfielders. Its mind boggling why jibers and co compare xavi's influence with ronaldos. Well... no shit, look where both of them play. Play xavi as an inside forward and see how it goes. Same with cristiano.

Iniesta vs ronaldo is more logical. They're about at the same level. Iniesta disappears much more on average then ronaldo but he has won alot more. Completely different qualities as players and they pretty much even out.