Re: The Bundesliga Thread

by RealGunner Sat Dec 20, 2014 8:36 pm

Used to dislike Bayern but their image changed due to Pep Guardiola bringing barcelona style of play. Now I don't care what people say. With Dortmund, I would still give the job to Klopp till the end of the season. See what he does. But if the milk goes stale then the board might have to throw it out.

by Helmer Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:17 pm

well on one side they have become a brand which is more famous now but on the other side Pep has brought a football style that makes a team, which is not consistently entertaining throughout the game.

by Hapless_Hans Sat Dec 20, 2014 10:17 pm

RealGunner wrote:Used to dislike Bayern but their image changed due to Pep Guardiola bringing barcelona style of play. Now I don't care what people say. With Dortmund, I would still give the job to Klopp till the end of the season. See what he does. But if the milk goes stale then the board might have to throw it out.

"I can no longer think what I want to think. My thoughts have been replaced by moving images."
-Georges Duhamel, Scènes de la vie future (1930), p. 52 :coffee:

by BAYERN_MUNICH Sun Dec 21, 2014 4:47 pm

HEIL MEIN REDS wrote:how can someone not hate Bayern, they are too good for this league and others are..no need to say anything

Why not hate the other 17 clubs then for being incredibly shit?

by BAYERN_MUNICH Sun Dec 21, 2014 4:51 pm

Hoffenheim with a 5-0 over Hertha Laughing

Must be the most entertaining team in europe over the last 2-3 years.

by Helmer Sun Dec 21, 2014 5:03 pm

Salihovic

by rwo power Mon Dec 22, 2014 3:11 pm

Opta top-11 of the Hinrunde - with Yann Sommer in goal! cheers

Source: https://twitter.com/OptaFranz/status/547008637932408832/photo/1

by junkyard Mon Dec 22, 2014 3:19 pm

Is Bellarabi really playing that great? hmm

by Abramovich Mon Dec 22, 2014 3:39 pm

HEIL MEIN REDS wrote:how can someone not hate Bayern, they are too good for this league and others are..no need to say anything

Agreed the worst thing is they deliberately buy their competitors best players to weaken them. Cowards tbh.

by iftikhar Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:30 pm

rwo power wrote:Opta top-11 of the Hinrunde - with Yann Sommer in goal!

Source: https://twitter.com/OptaFranz/status/547008637932408832/photo/1

Wolves with the second highest representation hmm

!!!

by halamadrid2 Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:47 pm

Didnt know Wolverhampton Wanders emigrated to Bundesliga from the Championship

In before Vendetta goes on a druken tirade on why Wolverhampton Wanders does not sound attractive Proud

by rwo power Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:11 pm

junkyard wrote:Is Bellarabi really playing that great?

Well, he's Leverkusen's top scorer with 8 goals and 4 assists. I guess that gives him quite some points at Opta.

Oh, and something else - Borussia Dortmund signed Kevin Kampl from RB Salzburg for 12 mio Euros. From what I remember (I saw him in some EL matches last season), he was not bad at all, but what I remember most is that his hairdo always looked as if he had a dead guiney pig on the head. Laughing

by Hapless_Hans Mon Dec 22, 2014 7:14 pm

rwo power wrote: but what I remember most is that his hairdo always looked as if he had a dead guiney pig on the head.

which makes him the perfect Reus successor

by urbaNRoots Mon Dec 22, 2014 7:16 pm

Things getting real and fast at BVB.

Ji was sold back to Augsburg

And Kevin Kampl signed!!! Although 6 months too late. Fantastic signing! Now sell scrubs like Ramos, Mkhitaryan etc... and replace them accordingly.

by dostoevsky Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:34 pm

I love Kampl, wanted him to come to Milan this summer. Great little pick up, he'll suit Klopp very well.

Also he's dropped the outrageous mohawk of last season at least rwo, though in his defence I thought he was one of the few players in Europe that it actually suited. Laughing

by rwo power Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:40 am

Ah, good for him then - although it was really easy to track him on the field with that ...thing on the head XD

by VivaStPauli Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:59 pm

I'm pretty sure that's 90% of the reason why they do it. I mean sure, some of them are also celebrities who are weird, and know they can get away with being weird. But being noticable, even by looking retarded, is worth something.,

by junkyard Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:49 pm

urbaNRoots wrote:Things getting real and fast at BVB.

Ji was sold back to Augsburg

And Kevin Kampl signed!!! Although 6 months too late. Fantastic signing! Now sell scrubs like Ramos, Mkhitaryan etc... and replace them accordingly.

Thought Micky had a good first season and would only improve. Now it's clear that Goetze left very a big hole indeed.

by BAYERN_MUNICH Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:06 pm

urbaNRoots wrote:Things getting real and fast at BVB.

Ji was sold back to Augsburg

And Kevin Kampl signed!!! Although 6 months too late. Fantastic signing! Now sell scrubs like Ramos, Mkhitaryan etc... and replace them accordingly.

You can add Gündogan,Hummels,Ginter,Weidenfeller,Großkreutz and Kagawa to your scrubs list too, measured by their performances this season.

by urbaNRoots Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:42 pm

I did not create my list based on this half-season alone though. Mkhitaryan has been shit since he was signed even if some BVB fans try to deny it. He's not creative and is supposed to be a great goalscorer, but he hasn't scored enough. €25m flop. Sell ASAP. Kagawa and Kampl as replacements sounds good enough, Gündogan can play CAM aswell.

Ramos was crap to begin with, I have no idea what Klopp/Zorc were thinking. I can see potential in Immobile even if he has been poor but another striker is needed.

Kehl is a poor player and old aswell, Bender is injury-prone. New defensive midfielder needed.

Durm is poor, Schmelzer is average (good backup). New LB needed.

And finally Weidenfeller is finished, Langerak is average. New GK needed.

I don't expect Dortmund to make all these signings in January, but in the summer some big changes should be done. If they are not relegated by then Laughing

by farfan Tue Dec 23, 2014 5:59 pm

is Aubameyang playing good enough to not being labelled as a scrub ?

by urbaNRoots Tue Dec 23, 2014 6:51 pm

Nah I'm OK with Aubameyang, he's nothing special but a useful player as RW (awful in any other position for Dortmund, be it CF or LW). The problem is that all the creative players in attacking positions are either gone or injured so when let's say Großkreutz - Mkhitaryan - Aubameyang start as an attacking trio - it is awful. But if more creative players are combined in the team, Reus, Kagawa, Gündogan now Kampl then a speedster like Aubameyang can be very useful. He also is a regular goalscorer so he's OK with me.

by BAYERN_MUNICH Tue Dec 23, 2014 6:54 pm

urbaNRoots wrote:I did not create my list based on this half-season alone though. Mkhitaryan has been shit since he was signed even if some BVB fans try to deny it. He's not creative and is supposed to be a great goalscorer, but he hasn't scored enough. €25m flop. Sell ASAP. Kagawa and Kampl as replacements sounds good enough, Gündogan can play CAM aswell.

Ramos was crap to begin with, I have no idea what Klopp/Zorc were thinking. I can see potential in Immobile even if he has been poor but another striker is needed.

Kehl is a poor player and old aswell, Bender is injury-prone. New defensive midfielder needed.

Durm is poor, Schmelzer is average (good backup). New LB needed.

And finally Weidenfeller is finished, Langerak is average. New GK needed.

I don't expect Dortmund to make all these signings in January, but in the summer some big changes should be done. If they are not relegated by then

What i wanted to say. The problem this season are not one or two players but the whole team. They failed as a team. Individually on paper this team is strong enough for the champions league spots even with their injuries.

by rwo power Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:34 am

kicker just published the first part of their Bundesliga ranking. As usual they start with goalies and defenders:

Goalkeepers:

World class:
1. Manuel Neuer (Bayern München)

International class:
2. Ralf Fährmann (Schalke 04)
3. Yann Sommer (Borussia Mönchengladbach) <3
4. Ron-Robert Zieler (Hannover 96)

In the wider circle:
5. Bernd Leno (Bayer Leverkusen)
6. Diego Benaglio (VfL Wolfsburg)
7. Roman Bürki (SC Freiburg)
8. Loris Karius (Mainz 05)
9. Felix Wiedwald (Eintracht Frankfurt)

Focus:
Oliver Baumann (TSG Hoffenheim)
Jaroslav Drobny (Hamburger SV)
Marwin Hitz (FC Augsburg)
Timo Horn (1. FC Köln)
Thomas Kraft (Hertha BSC)
Lukas Kruse (SC Paderborn)
Roman Weidenfeller (Borussia Dortmund)

Center Backs:

World class:
1. Jerome Boateng (Bayern München)

International class:
2. Naldo (VfL Wolfsburg)
3. Martin Stranzl (Borussia Mönchengladbach)
4. Sokratis (Borussia Dortmund)

In the wider circle:
5. Niklas Süle (TSG Hoffenheim)
6. Ömer Toprak (Bayer Leverkusen)
7. Benedikt Höwedes (Schalke 04)
8. Tony Jantschke (Borussia Mönchengladbach)
9. Emir Spahic (Bayer Leverkusen)
10. Uwe Hünemeier (SC Paderborn)
11. Kevin Wimmer (1. FC Köln)

Focus:
Medhi Benatia (Bayern München)
Ermin Bicakcic (TSG Hoffenheim)
Niko Bungert (Mainz 05)
Dante (Bayern München)
Marc-Oliver Kempf (SC Freiburg)
Ragnar Klavan (FC Augsburg)
Robin Knoche (VfL Wolfsburg)
Dominic Maroh (1. FC Köln)
Tobias Strobl (TSG Hoffenheim)
Heiko Westermann (Hamburger SV)

FB/LB/RB:

World class:
None

International class:
1. David Alaba (Bayern München)

In the wider circle:
2. Ricardo Rodriguez (VfL Wolfsburg)
3. Alvaro Dominguez (Borussia Mönchengladbach)
4. Juan Bernat (Bayern München)
5. Paul Verhaegh (FC Augsburg)
6. Rafinha (Bayern München)
7. Atsuto Uchida (Schalke 04)
8. Pawel Olkowski (1. FC Köln)

Focus:
Abdul Rahman Baba (FC Augsburg)
Andreas Beck (TSG Hoffenheim)
Christian Günter (SC Freiburg)
Tin Jedvaj (Bayer Leverkusen)
Lukasz Piszczek (Borussia Dortmund)
Jens Wemmer (SC Paderborn)
Oscar Wendt (Borussia Mönchengladbach)

by Sri Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:57 am

What's 'Focus'? supp to mean?

by rwo power Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:17 am

Well, kicker has a weird way to categorize players in their ranking. In German it is "Weltklasse" (world class), "Internationale Klasse" (international class), "Im weiteren Kreis" (in the wider circle) and "Blickfeld" (focus).

"IWK" means "pretty good at national level" and "Blickfeld" should be something like "worthy to take a look at" or so.

BTW, if you miss Mats Hummels - he was injureed for too long and missed too many matches, so he isn't listed.

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