Carlo Ancelotti sack watch

You can't win the CL every season. If you win it twice in a five year span that is considered amazing and if you win it three times in a five year span then that is just historic.

The problem is Carlo will not have that long lol, if we don't win the league this year he is out and you can't expect us to repeat in Europe. If we can do that then he'll stay but don't hold your breath.

In the last six years we have won the league a grand total of once. Sorry but the league should be a priority for the club, the players and us as fans.

B-Mac wrote:who would you even want to replace him with? can't think of a big name coach available to come in right away

Someone will turn up by then I guess but we'll most likely hear some rumors creep in over the course of the season if we are out of the title race early this year.

Yeah I said every few years, as in every 4 years or so.. I think La Decima gives him 3 years of safety, as long as we stay in the top 4 he should be fine

The League is always a priority but the CL more so IMO

LeSwagg James wrote:Yeah I said every few years, as in every 4 years or so.. I think La Decima gives him 3 years of safety, as long as we stay in the top 4 he should be fine

The League is always a priority but the CL more so IMO

3 years lol, no way he gets that long if we finish third again.

He gets this year and that's it... if we don't do well this year, he's on the hot seat from the start of preseason the following year. That's the way it should be too.

sportsczy wrote:He gets this year and that's it... if we don't do well this year, he's on the hot seat from the start of preseason the following year. That's the way it should be too.

What do you consider doing well? What if we finish second in the league and lose in the CL final? I wouldn't consider that a successful season, but I also wouldn't put him on the hot seat because of it for example..

unless this season is a disaster, he will not get the sack. he just won la decima, that gives him more credit with Floper than anyone can ever dream to have. anyway, we started badly because we are rebuilding again and we have to find balance again. It will take a couple of weeks and we will be up and running.

There's no way this will take a couple of weeks to get going.... it took us until January last season. For me, it will take until November at a minimum. Because we've changed 2/3 of our midfield AND the profiles are different from those that left, we need to change the execution significantly. That's not going to happen overnight.

The formation needs to fit the players... that's why it took so long last season because the players we started at the beginning of the season couldn't execute the 433 scheme that Carlo wanted properly (i.e. a deep playing mid, LCM and RCM).  You need that deep playing mid to not only pass well... but to organize the midfield AND play good tactical defense.  You also need at least one of the corner CMs to go B2B (both would be better).  Until Alonso replaced Illara in the deep role AND Khedira/Di Maria filled the B2B, we sucked.  It wasn't about learning the system.  It was about picking the right players to play the system.

This season, we have the exact same problem as the start of last one...  namely, our deep playing mid is not used to the position AND we don't have a B2B to provide balance and support from the mid to the attack.  Unless Isco or James offer the vertical movement of Khedira/ Di Maria AND Kroos learns the deep role... we will struggle hugely.

Personally, i don't think the 433 as conceived by Carlo (there are different ways to play the 433) fits the personnel at all.  Carlo is forcing the system on players whose collective profiles can't execute it properly...  it's clear as day that we need to go to a 4231 since we have two natural CAMs in Isco and James.

Khedira is injured too now...  so it really is like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

Do we really know what our best formation is this season? Could have fooled me

Carlo will have a chance to reassure the public against Atleti after the international break. The game is at home too and there will be time for him to work out a reasonable formation and approach. If we don't win that game though.....

Atleti have pimp slapped him on more than one occasion since he's got here and I don't think the Bernabeu can take another bad result in the Derbi.

sportsczy wrote:The formation needs to fit the players... that's why it took so long last season because the players we started at the beginning of the season couldn't execute the 433 scheme that Carlo wanted properly (i.e. a deep playing mid, LCM and RCM).  You need that deep playing mid to not only pass well... but to organize the midfield AND play good tactical defense.  You also need at least one of the corner CMs to go B2B (both would be better).  Until Alonso replaced Illara in the deep role AND Khedira/Di Maria filled the B2B, we sucked.  It wasn't about learning the system.  It was about picking the right players to play the system.

This season, we have the exact same problem as the start of last one...  namely, our deep playing mid is not used to the position AND we don't have a B2B to provide balance and support from the mid to the attack.  Unless Isco or James offer the vertical movement of Khedira/ Di Maria AND James learns the deep role... we will struggle hugely.

Personally, i don't think the 433 as conceived by Carlo (there are different ways to play the 433) fits the personnel at all.  Carlo is forcing the system on players whose collective profiles can't execute it properly...  it's clear as day that we need to go to a 4231 since we have two natural CAMs in Isco and James.

Khedira is injured too now...  so it really is like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

Agree 100%. 4-2-3-1 for me at least is the natural formation of this squad considering the players available.

4-4-2 would also work but we'd have to stick Bale/Ronaldo up front.

Can't play a 442 if the corner mids aren't workhorses. Has to be B2Bs or really active true wingers. You also need a reall CF to keep the CBs occupied... Bale and CR both dezone 90% of the time and don't make the movements/runs to make it work. Spacing is completely wrong.

The fact that we now have zero B2Bs or proper wingers... we're pigeon-holed tactically. No DM too . Going to be predictable. Big challenge for Carlo. Hope he's open-minded and not too stubborn.

Agreed with Hala that would be good banter to watch.

Carlo talks about finding balance for the first 3 months of last year.

The 2 most important players in achieving that balance are gone.

2 games in and Madrid fans want him sacked.

Mehdridistas

Yep, moaning about Carlo is stupid at this point in time. He found fantastic balance and i'm certain he never actively wanted to sell Alonso and ADM


Think about it if you were doing your office job or whatever, then one day somebody replaces your keyboard with a potato, and is questioning exactly why you're not getting shit done.

Who's moaning about Carlo? The hypothetical asked was: How long of a leach would Carlo have before he'd feel under pressure. To me, he gets a free ride this year unless we're absolutely catastrophic (talking normal person's catastrophy... like finishing in 7th place ). If he has a truly bad year, then the pressure is on the following one.

Not moaning. Just responding the the scenario.

This is a sack watch thread for the man who just won the CL about 4 competitive games ago

Heynckes won CL and got fired a month later. VDB won CL and got fired a year later.

The criteria at Madrid is far different than other places, for better or for worse. There is no patience for failure. If you fail in a season... the fans want everyone to get sold/fired Heck, it can happen from game to game too Since the people who run the club are elected officials, they need to appeal to public opinion to a certain extent. Just the way it is here.

Heynckes was never fired.

huntsman wrote:One sentence sums his recent achievement with Real Madrid; sometimes its best to do nothing than do anything.
That's all he brought to Real Madrid this season; Nothing. And that's all they needed.

On la decima and del rey cup

problem(s) in madrid are not down only to Carlo. He's but one of many.
I actually pointed out the problems like 1 year ago or a little more when i made the prediction that Madrid will go on and win La Decima.

It s nothing we all didnt know about so its not worth me typing again.