so...is this still mourinho's madrid ?

This season and going forward is totally Carlo team, they have been impressive but plenty of football left. I still think Atletico Madrid are a bad matchup for them, they already beat them, but obviously Real have improved but so has Atletico.

Yeh, it's clear that the tactics are solely Ancelotti's. It's got nothing to do with Mourinho.

But Mourinho did take us to the CL semis and it gave the core group experience.

smfh the amount garbage just to give mou credit, if pelle took madrid to the semi's and still got fired, no one would give pelle credit, just like if rm won nothing with carlo, it would have all been his fault, then again you guys give mou credit for that too

Lord Awesome wrote:Then only thing that came with Ancelotti was the loss of tension in the dressing room. Naturally, they performed better after the season Mou left. Ancelotti himself is more or less Mou's equal and had no problem in coaching Madrid.

loss of dressing room tension is the ONLY thing that came with ancelotti ? lol ok champ

i'm also noticing the logo of a former team coached by mourinho in that sig a common trait of all those who insist that mourinho deserves credit for ancelotti's work

Lord Awesome wrote:

chad4401 wrote:smfh the amount garbage just to give mou credit, if pelle took madrid to the semi's and still got fired, no one would give pelle credit, just like if rm won nothing with carlo, it would have all been his fault, then again you guys give mou credit for that too

What doesn't help Pelle is how he's been struggling with Man City in comparison to Mou with Chelsea. The difference is quality between those two is obvious. Ancellotti's proved his worth since before he managed RM and I deem him right there around Mou's level easily. Whether he's below or above doesn't really matter much to me.

Since when is winning one of the hardest leagues in the world in your first season struggling? If two months of below par football made a manager bad then I guess Mourinho, Van Gaal, and Ancelotti are all scrubs...

@LA the tactical differences between mou and carlo, is huge when you look at the playing style, anybody with eyes know mou madrid relied on talent and counters, nothing more, i remember plenty of game under mou being 5-0 up and still felt lucky to win

i hardly get worried with carlo cause the idea of what he is trying to achieve is clear and it reflects on the players, well most of them with a brain

I agree completely with those of you crediting Carlo. Ancelotti's Madrid is way ahead of what Mourinho's Madrid was in every way possible.

Whenever I think back at the RM team under Jose, I remember constant thuggery, tension, unattractive football, excuses and lack of professionalism. Sure, Pep's Barca at the time was a completely different beast, but that doesn't change anything about the Madrid of the recent past tbh.

Mourinho started off decently but i remember mostly ugly football, grinding out results and a total lack of respect for anyone else at the time. I would say it was mostly a forgettable time for Madrid fans and that era definitely stained the club's image and reputation quite a bit. It's no surprise that the players got fed up with it as well.

Ancelotti has made this team his own and its really showing. Ronaldo has a strong mentality, but I bet now he feels much less pressure to score goals and he's passing the ball and playing extremely well. I enjoy watching this Ronaldo play much much more than Ronaldo a few seasons ago and I think that is a good example and testament to Ancelotti's work.

Carlo has also utilized the recent purchases extremely well and has constructed a well-oiled machine, not to mention the fact that he has shown his faith in Casillas as well which is a much needed morale booster for a Madrid/Spain legend. I could go on but I think he has been fantastic and will continue to do very well and continue to win. Ancelotti is a winner, no doubt about that.

Scoring goals doesn't automatically mean attractive football imo. We relied a lot on counter-attacks under Mourinho and got outplayed by plenty of La Liga midfields. Overall it's best to just judge the Clasico/Atletico performances and any big European games. It's not hard to rack up a 50 game winning streak against poor La Liga sides, only to lose the 1 big game that matters.

Winning games is the most important thing here

Obviously you have to find some balance, playing unwatchable football but winning trophies will still put people off but let's not pretend Madrid were playing a mix of prime stoke and west ham football

It was more than acceptable

If Mourinho actually won the CL, I doubt anyone would have cared how we played. We were just so desperate to win it. But he didn't and we didn't exactly play beautiful football either, which is the usual requirement.

Tomwin Lannister wrote:Winning games is the most important thing here

Obviously you have to find some balance, playing unwatchable football but winning trophies will still put people off but let's not pretend Madrid were playing a mix of prime stoke and west ham football

It was more than acceptable

how about going 1-0 up 2 mins into a clasico at home, trying to defend for 90+ and still lost 3-1, mou system and mentally was rubbish, i remember plenty of big games, rm could've won if the team kept attacking, but go a goal up defend for your lives footy , people only act like its a master class when he wins, chelsea vs atli same stuff, carlo madrid without a doubt destroys mou's, how is this a debate?

@LA im not saying mou didn't do any good, he is a elite manager and a winner, but i think mou bringing a winning mentality back to madrid is bs, just like cr needs to carry the team

carlo has proven that you can just try to get the best out of almost all of your players(instead of pure counters), the team is stacked with serious talent(even in mou era) and carlo has given them enough confidence to step up, and play at a high level individually and as a team, mou had the whole team being cr assist machines, that wasting a lot of potential, which showed when the team met up against similar level opposition or when cr gets injured, that on mou not the players and bashing your players doesn't motivate them

Doc wrote:

So that foundation that is being talked about, Mourinho not only laid it but try to take a sledgehammer and smash it into nothingness.

It doesnt work like that with Mourinho. You have to take the good and the bad. He is viciously ambitious and wants all the credit which he deserves, to be given to him.

His semantics (the good and what you consider bad) are what brought you the Decima, his departure and the lack of a manger thereafter (cause let's face it, Ancelotti is more like a consultant and diplomat than a manager) is what gelled the players. Thousands would argue that it was pure luck that Madrid won the Decima, and they didnt deserve it, but i think sometimes, you have to believe that you can make your own luck.

This Madrid Team owes it all to Mourinho for building the team and owes it even more for his departure for winning what they were able to win.

huntsman wrote:

Doc wrote:

So that foundation that is being talked about, Mourinho not only laid it but try to take a sledgehammer and smash it into nothingness.

It doesnt work like that with Mourinho. You have to take the good and the bad. He is viciously ambitious and wants all the credit which he deserves, to be given to him.

His semantics (the good and what you consider bad) are what brought you the Decima, his departure and the lack of a manger thereafter (cause let's face it, Ancelotti is more like a consultant and diplomat than a manager) is what gelled the players. Thousands would argue that it was pure luck that Madrid won the Decima, and they didnt deserve it, but i think sometimes, you have to believe that you can make your own luck.

This Madrid Team owes it all to Mourinho for building the team and owes it even more for his departure for winning what they were able to win.

someone just went full mourintard

you disgusting pos

Ancelotti would have been sacked if not for Ramos lol. The man finished 3rd behind Atleti and Tata ffs. Only in Madrid can your team score over 120 goals yet be accused of playing boring football. If attractive football isnt scoring goals then what the *bleep* is?

Btw͵ both games against Bayern weren't counterattacking football? You didnt sit deep in your own half with two banks of four and rely on set pieces & counters?

Gil you are an intelligent one you really ought to do better at times... If Costa doesnt score the goals he he is scoring right now you are not 1st and mou gets the sack? Come on now. There is no ifs in football

Gil wrote:. The man finished 3rd behind Atleti and Tata ffs.

mourinho finished 15 points behind roura and trophyless  .

...........but he gets credit for a champions league win the year after ?

shtaap it bru .