Re: Road to Reigns-tlemania - Official WWE Thread Part 20

[Onyx]

At the end of the day though Bryan isn't a superman face and nor should he ever be one. He's an underdog. So him losing normally from time to time is believable I guess.

[M99]

Triple H challenges Sting to WWE Fast Lane confrontation

http://www.wwe.com/shows/wwefastlane/triple-h-challenges-sting-to-wwe-fast-lane-confrontation

United States Champion Rusev vs. John Cena

http://www.wwe.com/shows/wwefastlane/2015/rusev-john-cena

[Onyx]

Cena back in that midcard US title picture.

[Onyx]

Anyway yeh, I think a loss of hope angle could work well with Bryan.

Ability wise, he's good enough to be on top of the world. Mentally? After the year he's been through and having already defeated the authority and winning the WM main event last year, he won't be as motivated to win it this year. Which is where the fans come into play and get him geared up again.

Or am I just overthinking the scenario and giving WWE too much credit for their character development skills. When in reality they don't care about Bryan and got him out early so they could lessen the boos for Reigns.

[M99]

It's the latter MT.

http://tmi.kotaku.com/we-want-refunds-why-pro-wrestling-fans-are-so-angry-1681915988/+stephentotilo

[Onyx]

Good article. Was just thinking about something along the lines of that.

The fans want someone they can relate to. They don't want a superman good guy because they can't relate to that. Characters should be morally ambiguous. Why do people like Bryan, Ziggler, Ambrose or Bray ? They can relate to those guys. They aren't perfect, they aren't bodybuilders nor are they supermen.

The fans could relate to Austin because he was just an average redneck going up against his boss. Again, he wasn't superman.

The WWE think just because Cena's successful as a superman, they'll use the same formula on Reigns. Well to begin with, Cena wasn't pushed to the moon before he was ready. Cena organically got over with the fans, he had mic skills, succeeded in the midcard, won/lost matches, had a gimmick, was decent in the ring etc. He was actually an underdog before his push. Reigns is being pushed to the moon without even being built up.

No#1 golden rule prior to pushing any face:

Let them organically get over and make sure the fans can relate to the face.

[Onyx]

Reigns/Lesnar confrontation at the end there.

Heyman delivers a goat promo, Reigns responds with 'Im gonna beat u, I believe dat.'

[M99]

[M99]

[M99]

Still can't get over this match though Anyone who missed it, watch this short highlight video.

[AnJl]

Reigns/Lesnar confrontation at the end there.

Heyman delivers a goat promo, Reigns responds with 'Im gonna beat u, I believe dat.'

Wat?

Reigns delivered a really good reply. He didn't even reply to Heyman, but faced Brock and was very clear and precise in what is going to happen. If Reigns keeps giving those kind of promos, he will get over like crazy.

Your blind hate doesn't even seem to notice a good segment.

[Onyx]

He got to the point, but speaking for like 10 seconds isn't going to cut it in the main event scene. Heyman cut a long in depth promo and Reigns replied with 3 sentences, just didn't feel right. Main eventers/the face, need to be able to comfortably and confidently cut 10-15 min promos without sounding awkward, while at the same time keeping the audience engaged throughout. This isn't UFC or boxing, where the fight matters more, so people can get away with saying 2 lines.

I'm not saying Reigns doesn't have potential, because he does and a lot of it.

[RealGunner]

Never seen MT in such a meltdown mode before. Reading the last 4 pages

[Onyx]

Hyped for RTWM.

[Freeza]

Go Reigns ffs, showing Lesnar.. That Irish 12 Year old steroid looking pos who's the man

[Great Leader Sprucenuce]

Tbf it's not what you say, it's how you say it. Taker made a career of saying very little at all

As far as what I have seen from Reigns that was a good promo imo.

[AnJl]

He got to the point, but speaking for like 10 seconds isn't going to cut it in the main event scene. Heyman cut a long in depth promo and Reigns replied with 3 sentences, just didn't feel right. Main eventers/the face, need to be able to comfortably and confidently cut 10-15 min promos without sounding awkward, while at the same time keeping the audience engaged throughout. This isn't UFC or boxing, where the fight matters more, so people can get away with saying 2 lines.

I'm not saying Reigns doesn't have potential, because he does and a lot of it.

Getting to the point is the selling point of Roman Reigns. There isn't a need for him to cut long promos because:

1. He is bad at them (hopefully for now)
2. His character is (should be) as such that he needs to get STRAIGHT to the point and he doesn't need to go on and on.

In the Shield, Rollins and Ambrose did the talking, because Roman didn't NEED to. HIS role was that he stand there and look like the menacing figure. The Juggernaut. Its simple, yet effective, if done right.

Paul Heyman is there to sell it, he is more than enough. All Reigns has to do is make himself look like someone who CAN take on Lesnar and he doesn't need to over elaborate things.

Though, with WWE, even the simple things they tend to mess up.

And again, I think you are being a little out of touch when you are saying the fight doesn't matter. Your point was proven very wrong yesterday in the Triple Threat. Heck, I love watching a good match.

Agreed, there is a lot more to make it better, but I honestly feel that if even one facet is done right, it lives in the memory of the fans and they enjoy it.

This necessity for over elaborate schemes work, but simplicity adds a different/fresh look into a match every once in a while and if the creative team get it right, they will have done massive control damage and turned the fans back on their side.

Also, WWE must be thanking every God available that RAW was cancelled that night. They used snippets online to good effect, next is to just time things right and not make it the same damn repetitive trend of one on one feuds we have seen over the past year.

[Onyx]

Tbf it's not what you say, it's how you say it. Taker made a career of saying very little at all

As far as what I have seen from Reigns that was a good promo imo.

But that's because of his deadman gimmick. He didn't really need to say much because his gimmick was the attraction. Same thing with Kane.

Reigns has no persona or character whatsoever.

[Onyx]

He got to the point, but speaking for like 10 seconds isn't going to cut it in the main event scene. Heyman cut a long in depth promo and Reigns replied with 3 sentences, just didn't feel right. Main eventers/the face, need to be able to comfortably and confidently cut 10-15 min promos without sounding awkward, while at the same time keeping the audience engaged throughout. This isn't UFC or boxing, where the fight matters more, so people can get away with saying 2 lines.

I'm not saying Reigns doesn't have potential, because he does and a lot of it.

Getting to the point is the selling point of Roman Reigns. There isn't a need for him to cut long promos because:

1. He is bad at them (hopefully for now)
2. His character is (should be) as such that he needs to get STRAIGHT to the point and he doesn't need to go on and on.

In the Shield, Rollins and Ambrose did the talking, because Roman didn't NEED to. HIS role was that he stand there and look like the menacing figure. The Juggernaut. Its simple, yet effective, if done right.

Paul Heyman is there to sell it, he is more than enough. All Reigns has to do is make himself look like someone who CAN take on Lesnar and he doesn't need to over elaborate things.

Though, with WWE, even the simple things they tend to mess up.

And again, I think you are being a little out of touch when you are saying the fight doesn't matter. Your point was proven very wrong yesterday in the Triple Threat. Heck, I love watching a good match.

Agreed, there is a lot more to make it better, but I honestly feel that if even one facet is done right, it lives in the memory of the fans and they enjoy it.

This necessity for over elaborate schemes work, but simplicity adds a different/fresh look into a match every once in a while and if the creative team get it right, they will have done massive control damage and turned the fans back on their side.

Also, WWE must be thanking every God available that RAW was cancelled that night. They used snippets online to good effect, next is to just time things right and not make it the same damn repetitive trend of one on one feuds we have seen over the past year.

Exactly, that's who Reigns is, he's just an enforcer. He was the Shield's enforcer. It's like an enforcer taking the spot of his celebrity client just because he has a better look than his client. When in reality what matters is actual talent and not simply just having a good look. Ambrose = celebrity, Reigns = enforcer.

If Reigns' promos are going to be about 'getting to the point', then there's no point him being in the main event scene. No character should ever be based around 'getting to the point' because promos are a staple of the WWE product. The wrestling does matter, but the entertainment aspect, the storylines, promos and characters have always mattered more than the wrestling.

[Casciavit]

Come on Mole, you can't compare a dark dead man to the future face of the company.

Roman needs to say more than 3 sentences lol.

[Great Leader Sprucenuce]

I knew that comparison would go over your heads lol, all I was saying is its not what you say but how you say it.

All Stone Cold would say is what and I'm going kick your ass lol. Ain't nobody got time for deep, thought provoking promos.

[M99]

Yeah that was actually good form Reigns. Bryan's promo was pretty good. And Ambrose was Ambrose

[Onyx]

Sheamus was not backstage at the WWE Royal Rumble on Sunday and it was another creative decision that has delayed his return.

We noted during WrestleMania XXX season last year that WWE had plans for Sheamus to face Daniel Bryan in New Orleans. Plans were changed when CM Punk left the company and Bryan ended up being pushed to the WrestleMania main event instead.

Word coming out of the Royal Rumble this week is that plans for Sheamus vs. Bryan III at WrestleMania are back on for this year’s event in Santa Clara. The two wrestled to a No Contest in a Lumberjack Match at WrestleMania 27 and then Sheamus defeated Bryan in 18 seconds to win the World Heavyweight Title at WrestleMania 28.

Plans still call for Sheamus to return as a heel and it looks like he could be getting involved with Bryan upon returning.

Source: PWInsider

[Onyx]

Several talents were backstage at Sunday’s WWE Royal Rumble pay-per-view including Chris Jericho and Nikolai Volkoff, who was mentioned by Triple H during a segment.

Even though he wrestled on Sunday in North Carolina, Sean “X-Pac” Waltman was reportedly backstage as well but that could just be a rumor. WWE had 1 or 2 other names backstage at the Rumble in hopes of swerving the internet. WWE officials were hoping that some of the names they had no intentions of using would leak out as being backstage.

One WWE talent who was scheduled for the Rumble at one point but not used was Alex Riley. Riley was taken off the Rumble pre-show to be in the Rumble main event but then not used. It was said that several other stars were removed from the Rumble when plans were changed around during the pay-per-view.

Source: PWInsider

[Rebaño Sagrado]

Sheamus defeated Bryan in 18 seconds to win the World Heavyweight Title at WrestleMania 28.

[Casciavit]

They should just have a Bryan-Ambrose or Bryan-Ziggler match. Keep them both faces and they'll tear the house down.

Who the hell cares about Sheamus?

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