Re: The Pogba War

by Mr Nick09 Fri 8 Jul - 13:59:55

Adit wrote:
Mr Nick09 wrote:The problem Mole is not actually how good Pogba is, only a blind idiot would deny that. The problem is how far madrid fans are willing to go to protect Modric and more importantly Kroos' reputations. That lead them to say ridiculous thing as shown above

Because they have achieved and performed consistently and won lot of shit.

A player with closer to CR level pass accuracy.

A player who gets dispossessed more than isco.

Infact most dispossessed player in serie a in 2014 and 3rd in 2016 campaign.

Central midfield player "great passer" "great dribbler" with unnatural amount of dispossessed balls. Tries shit ton of Hollywood balls and lacks efficiency and effectiveness.

A very definition of raw player.

Paying 120 million for nothing other than potential.

Most overrated player ever.

You have no clue how to use statistics, without context all of what you posted is completely irrelevant. You compare the stats of a midfielder who is asked behave as an attacking player from midfield and to actually take risks with the ball to create the difference and to make plays, to players like modric and kroos who play much deeper in midfield and are usually tasked to playmake for their teams.

How that escape your logic i dont know, i guess it's easier to write mindless drivel than to actually think and use statistics in context.

by Nivash Fri 8 Jul - 14:18:54

Pedram wrote:Thank god we didn't pay 100m for such a unproven talent, we can go back to pursuing Kante now.

One season = being proven?

by messixaviesta Sat 9 Jul - 15:53:11

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
Pedram wrote:Thank god we didn't pay 100m for such a unproven talent, we can go back to pursuing Kante now.

Saying Pogba is unproven is up there with those who used to say Zlatan is overrated when he was in Italy tbh.

If Pogba is unproven I'd say every midfielder outside of a handful in the world are.

Zlatan is still overrated in a sense, at least by himself. All his achievements are largely confined to league titles, the fourth level trophy after world cup, UCL and continental cups. I do not deny that he is a special talent and that he tries to do his job in a game but what I see lacking in him as compared to the greats is a super human desire to win for his team. I do not think he will deserve a place among the greatest legends of the game, the top twenty, fifty or even hundred players of all time, so to say.

by rincon Sat 9 Jul - 16:01:54

messixaviesta wrote:
Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
Pedram wrote:Thank god we didn't pay 100m for such a unproven talent, we can go back to pursuing Kante now.

Saying Pogba is unproven is up there with those who used to say Zlatan is overrated when he was in Italy tbh.

If Pogba is unproven I'd say every midfielder outside of a handful in the world are.

Zlatan is still overrated in a sense, at least by himself. All his achievements are largely confined to league titles, the fourth level trophy after world cup, UCL and continental cups. I do not deny that he is a special talent and that he tries to do his job in a game but what I see lacking in him as compared to the greats is a super human desire to win for his team. I do not think he will deserve a place among the greatest legends of the game, the top twenty, fifty or even hundred players of all time, so to say.

The man who scored 47 goals and 13 assist at the age of 34 clearly has a super human desire to win. He is also among the few to win in 4 countries, and probably up there with the most league titles in top leagues. Added to being his country highest ever scorer. Can't hardly have more desire to win and compete, coupled with unreal talent, than that.

by Vlad the Impaler Sat 9 Jul - 17:26:48

messixaviesta wrote:Zlatan is still overrated in a sense, at least by himself. All his achievements are largely confined to league titles, the fourth level trophy after world cup, UCL and continental cups. I do not deny that he is a special talent and that he tries to do his job in a game but what I see lacking in him as compared to the greats is a super human desire to win for his team. I do not think he will deserve a place among the greatest legends of the game, the top twenty, fifty or even hundred players of all time, so to say.

You mentioned World Cup and continental cups like Ronaldo9, Henry, Del Piero or David Villa would have won them with Sweden. I believe it isn't a fair argument.

rincon wrote:The man who scored 47 goals and 13 assist at the age of 34 clearly has a super human desire to win. He is also among the few to win in 4 countries, and probably up there with the most league titles in top leagues. Added to being his country highest ever scorer. Can't hardly have more desire to win and compete, coupled with unreal talent, than that.

Agreed. And the guy really is a team player.