Re: The Lionel Messi Appreciation Thread & Fan Club II

by farfan Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:53 pm

Harmonica wrote:
BarrileteCosmico wrote:
M99 wrote:

Higuain is the main culprit obviously. He has a thread dedicated to his flopping. Messi shares the blame too for not stepping up.

And what does stepping up mean? He was clearly Argentina's best player yesterday, as he was in every Argentina game I have seen this tournament (all but the first vs Paraguay). Is he really expected to dribble six players and score a goal every match?
Yes, he's done now 3 times what Maradona did once, he needs to do it 500 times.

and what about that thing called "scoring in the KO stage of a world cup" ?

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:53 pm

Bench player in club football scores the winner in the final and it's the king apparently rofl

Go home lmao, also Portugal >>>>>>>>

by ahmad25 Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:02 pm

Reaching World cup final would be great achivement for any player except messi maradona and pele. This fact alone puts messi among them

Called flop for being nearly MOM every game for Argentina. This is how big is Messi
hmm

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:04 pm

Tbf if he's Mom every game i can see why he's big, dat pregnancy.

by ahmad25 Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:13 pm

I read three times to understand finally Smile

by farfan Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:17 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Bench player in club football scores the winner in the final and it's the king apparently

Go home lmao, also Portugal >>>>>>>>

same bench player who was instrumental to his team reaching the superior champions league final the previous year Laughing

can't wait until next year when suddenly NT football will matter again and a certain player's performances will be put under the microscope by " neutrals " like you . Laughing

by Viru Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:19 pm

Is it true that messi reject the Player of the tournament trophy

by Harmonica Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:46 pm

Viru wrote:Is it true that messi reject the Player of the tournament trophy

Like a baws. Proud

http://elcomercio.pe/deporte-total/copa-america-2015/lionel-messi-rechazo-premio-al-mejor-jugador-copa-america-noticia-1823640

Heard that Cronaldo called to Copa to announce his interest to the award.

by Harmonica Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:52 pm

Messi (WC14, CA15) is the fourth player after Jose Nasazzi (WC30, CA23/35), Pele (WC70, CA59-1) and Ronaldo (WC98, CA97) to win the best player award in both World Cup and Copa America.

by titosantill Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:14 pm

only a staunch messi fan or anybody who didn't watch the 2014 world cup nor the 2015 copa america would find that impressive

by Harmonica Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:17 pm

titosantill wrote:only a staunch messi fan or anybody who didn't watch the 2014 world cup nor the 2015 copa america would find that impressive

Anyone who's watched and analyzed both WC70 and WC98 know Messi has much better claim to the Golden Ball than Pele or Ronaldo.

Goals - Chances Created - Dribbles - Tackles - WC70

4 - 28 - 16 - 9 - Pele
7 - 13 - 47 - 4 - Jairzinho
10 - 14 - 4 - 0 - Gerd Müller

Goals - Chances Created - Dribbles - Tackles - WC98

4 - 7 - 16 - 3 - Ronaldo
6 - 9 - 15 - 6 - Suker
3 - 18 - 17 - 6 - Rivaldo
2 - 19 - 20 - 10 - De Boer

Goals - Chances Created - Dribbles - Tackles - WC14

4 - 23 - 46 - 9 - Messi
5 - 17 - 12 - 7 - Müller
3 - 17 - 34 - 2 - Robben
6 - 11 - 15 - 6 - James

by titosantill Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:31 pm

didn't watch 1970, and didn't care for ronaldo winning the 98 golden ball either, not all tournaments necessarily have to have a best player imo especially if nobody stood heads and shoulders above everyone (not by dribbles completed, or shots that hit the bar, or goals ALMOST scored) i prefer the way the nba hands out its playoff mvp award. football has done a good job of handing out consolatory prizes.....as someone who's not at all a fan of messi's, i'm proud of him for rejecting those prizes....if not anything, it shows the man has standards. and as an aside, its about time they scrapped third and fourth place matches imo

by farfan Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:32 pm

De boer should've won the golden ball in WC 1998 then ? a new low even by Harmonica's standards . Laughing

by Harmonica Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:41 pm

Overall contribution based on 4 of the most important statistic, not too hard to grasp surely.

by farfan Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:49 pm

Harmonica wrote:Overall contribution based on 4 of the most important statistic, not too hard to grasp surely.

here's a simple fact that you don't seem to grasp :

statistics don't mean squat .

by Kaladin Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:52 pm

Iskaral Pust Proud

by Harmonica Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:53 pm

Maybe in fantasy, your post is actually complete fiction, and that's actually a fact.

by farfan Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:29 pm

the fantasy land is the world where Loic Perrin is the best defender in the world .

by Harmonica Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:30 pm

In the series of completely trivial things. Laughing

by farfan Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:30 pm

El Shaarawy wrote:Iskaral Pust

explain ths nerd stuff please .

by farfan Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:31 pm

Harmonica wrote:In the series of completely trivial things.

" stats only matter when they're about my favorite player "

got it . hmm

by Donuts Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:33 pm

http://iruntheinternet.com/lulzdump/images/gifs/tiny-kids-fighting-judo-punching-1381877033C.gif

the summer discussions are so boring nothing but repeating the same old things

by farfan Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:34 pm

Donuts wrote:http://iruntheinternet.com/lulzdump/images/gifs/tiny-kids-fighting-judo-punching-1381877033C.gif

the summer discussions are so boring nothing but repeating the same old things

change that AV please . :facepalm:

by Valkyrja Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:36 pm

ahmad25 wrote:I have watched (replay) all maradona games in tournaments. For me he looks slow version of messi he was not as explosive

Anyway knee jerk will continue for some weeks. Everytime messi plays bad he is shit. When he scores amazing goal he is better than maradona. I have seen all here

How the hell do you expect a footballer who played in the 80s to be as fast, strong explosive as one who plays in the 2015 ... It's not about who is faster or who dribbles better... It's about the impact the player makes

Regarding the 50% 70% 100% involvement in the team's goals, shouldn't we take into consideration the stages which the goals were scored in ? Because as far as I can remember Messi has around 0 goals in the KO stages of an international tournament

by Harmonica Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:42 pm

farfan wrote:
Harmonica wrote:In the series of completely trivial things.

" stats only matter when they're about my favorite player "

got it .

I'm sure you will now produce the relation between Luic Perrin and Messi/Pele/Ronaldo in the 4 most important statistic.

Laughing

by Harmonica Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:44 pm

Valkyrja wrote:
ahmad25 wrote:I have watched (replay) all maradona games in tournaments. For me he looks slow version of messi he was not as explosive

Anyway knee jerk will continue for some weeks. Everytime messi plays bad he is shit. When he scores amazing goal he is better than maradona. I have seen all here

How the hell do you expect a footballer who played in the 80s to be as fast, strong explosive as one who plays in the 2015 ... It's not about who is faster or who dribbles better... It's about the impact the player makes

Regarding the 50% 70% 100% involvement in the team's goals, shouldn't we take into consideration the stages which the goals were scored in ? Because as far as I can remember Messi has around 0 goals in the KO stages of an international tournament

Take Pele´s goals out of WC70, nothing changes, Brazil wins World Cup. Take Messi's goals out of WC14 and Argentina gets eliminated in the group phase.

Goals in KO-stage or other wikipedia-arguments are the worst arguments ever for playing good. There's an awful lot more happening in the games than what you can read in scoring lists.

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