Which one is funnier? (Robinho / Greece 2004)

you knew greece won in 2004 euro was a fluke when they did not qualify for 2006 wc

but pretend the otherwise

why people always flip-flopped their conclusion so easily? don't you have principle in your life?

guest_07 wrote:

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Our players are shit lol. Unlike you i couldn't care less and don't get emotionally invested in grown men who i don't know or never will lol.

sorry, whatever i did, did it affect your life?

where are you, Great Leader Sprucenuce? you don't answer me yet

after troll, you run away, talk about adult, lol

Mole?

RealGunner wrote:

guest_07 wrote:

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Our players are shit lol. Unlike you i couldn't care less and don't get emotionally invested in grown men who i don't know or never will lol.

sorry, whatever i did, did it affect your life?

where are you, Great Leader Sprucenuce? you don't answer me yet

after troll, you run away, talk about adult, lol

Mole?

i think so...........

Will the real Great Leader please stand up

GR didn’t compete in 2006 WC to give the others a chance.
Simple as that

@ lord spencer, nobody called robinho the new ronaldo, it was taken a step further, he was called the next pele (basically due to the fact he started his career at santos, the home-ground of pele)...but i think that was mainly the brazilian media. the european media only got into it during his first clasico, that debacle at the bernabeau where the fans decided they wanted to clap for ronaldinho (smh stupid stuff imo); and minor sections of the spanish media tried to sell the match of as pele vs maradona (robinho vs messi)....i think that might have been messi's first clasico as well

Robinho and Neymar both were called the next Pele, and both had almost identical careers into a point of to the second season in Europe.

The difference comes from the fact that 06-07 Robinho was used to play for Van Nistelrooy who was the main attacker, in the exact same way as Bale was only used to support Cronaldo this season.

Where as it's the complete opposite for Neymar, this season Messi played for him and the 3 attackers formed a better unit.

I do see Neymar as better player but I don't see too much of individual difference with Robinho and Neymar, just that in their second seasons in Europe they had such different circumstances.

On OP, lets see it's same if you asked which one was more painful hitting with feather, or tree leaf. I don't know.

Harmonica wrote:Robinho and Neymar both were called the next Pele, and both had almost identical careers into a point of to the second season in Europe.

The difference comes from the fact that 06-07 Robinho was used to play for Van Nistelrooy who was the main attacker, in the exact same way as Bale was only used to support Cronaldo this season.

Where as it's the complete opposite for Neymar, this season Messi played for him and the 3 attackers formed a better unit.

I do see Neymar as better player but I don't see too much of individual difference with Robinho and Neymar, just that in their second seasons in Europe they had such different circumstances.

Neymar is way faster, a better dribler, better shoter, better header, better finisher than Robinho... he is a rich man's robinho.

free_cat wrote:

Harmonica wrote:Robinho and Neymar both were called the next Pele, and both had almost identical careers into a point of to the second season in Europe.

The difference comes from the fact that 06-07 Robinho was used to play for Van Nistelrooy who was the main attacker, in the exact same way as Bale was only used to support Cronaldo this season.

Where as it's the complete opposite for Neymar, this season Messi played for him and the 3 attackers formed a better unit.

I do see Neymar as better player but I don't see too much of individual difference with Robinho and Neymar, just that in their second seasons in Europe they had such different circumstances.

Neymar is way faster, a better dribler, better shoter, better header, better finisher than Robinho... he is a rich man's robinho.

Maybe faster. Watching Robinho 05-06 is almost identical as watching Neymar last season

Even when robinho was good, he shot like a girl. (no offense rwo). He had some dribling skills, but Neymar is so above him that he doesn't need all those fancy tricks and useless stepovers to go around a player. And is definitely faster.

Also, Robinho in his best ever season scored 15 goals and gave 12 assists. Something Neymar surpassed last season easily, even though he played less because of injuries.

Dat RWO-powah

Harmonica wrote:Dat RWO-powah

A little bit slower and the time stops while that shot is reaching the goal. Terrible job by the GK.

Dat time-adjusting powah.

According to wikipedia Robinho in his best year in Brasil (2004) scored 32 goals in 55 games for Santos and 0 goals in 1 game for the NT.
Neymar in 2012 (same age as Robinho was in 2012 btw) scored 43 in 47 for Santos and 9 in 12 for Brasil.

Almost identical imo
To be a bit more serious though Robinho was a great talent and should've achieved more than he did. It's just that Neymar clearly showed he has a higher ceiling back in Brasil.

zigra wrote:According to wikipedia Robinho in his best year in Brasil (2004) scored 32 goals in 55 games for Santos and 0 goals in 1 game for the NT.
Neymar in 2012 (same age as Robinho was in 2012 btw) scored 43 in 47 for Santos and 9 in 12 for Brasil.

Almost identical imo
To be a bit more serious though Robinho was a great talent and should've achieved more than he did. It's just that Neymar clearly showed he has a higher ceiling back in Brasil.

Except for the fact that Neymar played regional football, and Robinho didn't.  

Robinho on Brasileiro 47 goals in 116 matches.
Neymar on Brasileiro 53 goals in 103 matches.

Robinho on Copa Libertadores 17 goals in 37 matches.
Neymar on Copa Libertadores 15 goals in 29 matches.

Dat chasm of difference.

Why didn't Robinho play regional football and what's the quality of regional football in Brasil?

Neymar still has a better gpg-ratio than Robinho imo and he showed he can do it for the national team

zigra wrote:Why didn't Robinho play regional football and what's the quality of regional football in Brasil?

Neymar still has a better gpg-ratio than Robinho imo and he showed he can do it for the national team

Statpad-level, like the Harlem Globetrotters-tour with Brazil in friendlies against teams that rest for qualifiers.

As I said, I see Neymar as a better player, but there is not much individual difference to this point, circumstance is what differentiates Neymar's and Robinho's 2nd seasons in Europe mostly.

Robinho wasn't a scrub like you make him out to be though. Turned into a really really good player for us, had one season where he was one of our best imo. People just want to think he was a scrub because of the hype.

Robinho would have become great if he came to Barcelona. Madrid destroyed him.

Harmonica wrote:

zigra wrote:Why didn't Robinho play regional football and what's the quality of regional football in Brasil?

Neymar still has a better gpg-ratio than Robinho imo and he showed he can do it for the national team

Statpad-level, like the Harlem Globetrotters-tour with Brazil in friendlies against teams that rest for qualifiers.

As I said, I see Neymar as a better player, but there is not much individual difference to this point, circumstance is what differentiates Neymar's and Robinho's 2nd seasons in Europe mostly.

Hm it's not as impressive as I thought it was before to be fair. Don't really get why Robinho never played regional level though.

Freeza wrote:Robinho wasn't a scrub like you make him out to be though. Turned into a really really good player for us, had one season where he was one of our best imo. People just want to think he was a scrub because of the hype.

Of course Robinho was no scrub but Bale isn't a scrub either and yet some RM fans act as if he's barely good enough to play for relegation fodder.
People who call Robinho a scrub do so because they expected more. I don't think anyone really thinks he truly was a bad player.

Fußball wrote:Robinho would have become great if he came to Barcelona. Madrid destroyed him.

Dat funny face when they used a player who won 2 La Liga's in 3 season as currency to replace the player who he supported, to a player who won 1 ref-infested La Liga in 6 seasons for Real Madrid.

Harmonica wrote:

Fußball wrote:Robinho would have become great if he came to Barcelona. Madrid destroyed him.

Dat funny face when they used a player who won 2 La Liga's in 3 season as currency to replace the player who he supported, to a player who won 1 La Liga in 6 seasons for Real Madrid.

Is it really comparable though? Second of those two La Ligas we won was against the worst Barca team in a long time. Not a lot competition for the one year, and overall the quality of the teams has changed since then.

Messi hitting his prime has made a statement such at that you posted ridiculous. If prime Messi was on those teams back then we wouldn't have gotten close.

Freeza wrote:

Harmonica wrote:

Fußball wrote:Robinho would have become great if he came to Barcelona. Madrid destroyed him.

Dat funny face when they used a player who won 2 La Liga's in 3 season as currency to replace the player who he supported, to a player who won 1 La Liga in 6 seasons for Real Madrid.

Is it really comparable though? Second of those two La Ligas we won was against the worst Barca team in a long time. Not a lot competition for the one year, and overall the quality of the teams has changed since then.

Messi hitting his prime has made a statement such at that you posted ridiculous. If prime Messi was on those teams back then we wouldn't have gotten close.

Times change, and that's the circumstansial difference between Robinho's and Neymar's second season statistics in Europe. Robinho supported Van Nistelrooy, won La Liga, Messi supported Neymar, won La Liga, everyone plays for Cronaldo's statistics, 1 ref infested La Liga in 6 seasons.

@Fußball robinho won't have been better off, he wasn't going to bench anybody at barcelona, not eto'o nor ronaldinho, and messi would have always gotten first dibs over him considering the time and efforts you invested in his medical progress. also, he probably won't have fit what rijkaard wanted, considering how xavi bashed rijkaard for not liking 'small' players (i never understood that though considering rikaard started deco in a deeper position in midfield as compared to his porto days, gave messi his debut, and promoted dos santos and bojan)

now i'm not going to go as far as say robinho would have been g.o.a.t material cos one can never know, and i don't like "ifs" in football, but harmonica's right, he was a victim of circumstance, he joined a madrid side in disarray, florentino quit in the middle of the season that year robinho signed, and he was also in the middle of something of a power struggle, by then, the brazilians and spanish on the team weren't getting along, and one of ramon calderon's first mandates was to sell off the brazilians and give the locker room to the spanish

it also didn't help that coaches didn't know where to play him, him, especially when you already had two strikers already on the team, and capello and schuster got confused as to whether or not they should start him, or play him down the flanks, considering they also had reyes and robben respectively

i do think neymar's technically a better player though, and (sadly) he seems a lot more disciplined with respect to off the field antics than robinho....robinho also had some terrible agents who gassed him up. on his day, he was a fantastic player, especially for brazil