Re: Angel Di Maria's move to PSG a step up from Man United - Thiago Silva

by Donuts Mon 03 Aug 2015, 21:09

being on the final doesn't make you relevant.
look at dortmund
look at atletico
it makes you a good team but means *bleep* all if you don't win it.

by RED Mon 03 Aug 2015, 21:09

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Man Yoo haven't been relevant in europe since SAF left but aye they are delusional because they don't have history that means absolutely nothing

Why are you going on like PSG are this european heavy weight when the highest they've reached in the CL in recent years is the quarter finals?

We did the same under Moyes.

Means nothing in that context.

by jibers Mon 03 Aug 2015, 21:10

Donuts wrote:being on the final doesn't make you relevant.
look at dortmund
look at atletico
it makes you a good team but means *bleep* all if you don't win it.

Yea I agree, exactly the same circumstances. 2011 wasn't our 3rd final in 4 years. Irrelevant.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon 03 Aug 2015, 21:13

RED wrote:
Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Man Yoo haven't been relevant in europe since SAF left but aye they are delusional because they don't have history that means absolutely nothing

Why are you going on like PSG are this european heavy weight when the highest they've reached in the CL in recent years is the quarter finals?

We did the same under Moyes.

Means nothing in that context.

They were in the CL last year, you wasn't..... their team is clearly better.

The end.

by jibers Mon 03 Aug 2015, 21:15

gnrfan wrote:^^rare to see such a calm, objective united fan ...agree player wise and as a team PSG are much stronger imo. Who gives a damn about history ffs...5 years ago juve were in the wilderness...10 years ago milan was the strongest team in europe.

gnrfan wrote:my big up was for jibers btw

by Donuts Mon 03 Aug 2015, 21:16

jibers wrote:
Donuts wrote:being on the final doesn't make you relevant.
look at dortmund
look at atletico
it makes you a good team but means *bleep* all if you don't win it.

Yea I agree, exactly the same circumstances. 2011 wasn't our 3rd final in 4 years. Irrelevant.

no one remembers that bayern were in the final a shit ton of times prior to winning it, they will remember when they won it.
just like in 10 years people will remember man u's champions league in 08 with ronaldo.
not that they reached the final and got roflstombed by barca.

by jibers Mon 03 Aug 2015, 21:18

Donuts wrote:
jibers wrote:
Donuts wrote:being on the final doesn't make you relevant.
look at dortmund
look at atletico
it makes you a good team but means *bleep* all if you don't win it.

Yea I agree, exactly the same circumstances. 2011 wasn't our 3rd final in 4 years. Irrelevant.

no one remembers that bayern were in the final a shit ton of times prior to winning it, they will remember when they won it.
just like in 10 years people will remember man u's champions league in 08 with ronaldo.
not that they reached the final and got roflstombed by barca.

Mole said since CR left we haven't been relevant in Europe, we didn't win the cl in 09 but CR was still there. By noone you mean some people. I remember every cl finalist...

I don't get what you are arguing about. I suppose Bayern are irrelevant in Europe now as well.

by RED Mon 03 Aug 2015, 21:21

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
RED wrote:
Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Man Yoo haven't been relevant in europe since SAF left but aye they are delusional because they don't have history that means absolutely nothing

Why are you going on like PSG are this european heavy weight when the highest they've reached in the CL in recent years is the quarter finals?

We did the same under Moyes.

Means nothing in that context.

They were in the CL last year, you wasn't..... their team is clearly better.

The end.

Better, ok. Bigger, nope. Which was the whole point of the thread.

Also, the whole The end thing is cringe.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon 03 Aug 2015, 21:24

He said they are a step up and he's right.... he never mentioned anything about being " bigger ".

The whole historically bigger argument is just as cringe tbh, considering it has absolutely zero impact on TODAY.

by Myesyats Mon 03 Aug 2015, 21:35

PSG are in better situation right now, that's a fact, so what's the big deal

by Kaladin Mon 03 Aug 2015, 21:36

Dunno what the hullabaloo, Silva is kinda right

Is PSG a step up from United at the moment? Yes, and that's a fact. United still aren't in the CL (yet) they gotta get past the qualifier

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon 03 Aug 2015, 21:37

linetty wrote:PSG are in better situation right now, that's a fact, so what's the big deal

Exactly lol.

by Art Morte Mon 03 Aug 2015, 21:41

PSG's biggest domestic rival from last season, the runners-up Lyon, just signed Manchester United's 3rd-choice right-back, Rafael. When this is the domestic competition context between these clubs, I don't think you can say that PSG are a step up from United.

You could have the world's 11 best players playing for Al-Sadd, or what ever clubs there are in Qatar, and that wouldn't make them a step up to a top Premier League club.

by Hapless_Hans Mon 03 Aug 2015, 21:42

sorry Art, but equalizing the comparison PL-Ligue 1 to PL- Qatari league is pretty *bleep* arrogant.

by halamadrid2 Mon 03 Aug 2015, 21:45

The move to United was bewildering in the first place. He went from playing CL his whole career to not playing in it at all. Hus move was inevitable

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon 03 Aug 2015, 21:48

The league's are irrelevant when discussing the difference between two individual teams Laughing

Besides when will people realise most of the teams in the top european leagues are equally garbage as each other.

The only real quality standard are CL KOs and PSG beat the best team in England last year who are obviously better than Man Yoo as a result of finishing nearly 20 points above them.

The large majority of all european leagues are dog shit and the only thing which is relevant is the KO stages of the CL, stop acting like the likes of Newcastle and Stoke are any better than the crap in other leagues.

by Onyx Mon 03 Aug 2015, 21:55

More of a sideways move imo. Step up would be Real/Barca/Bayern.

by Hapless_Hans Mon 03 Aug 2015, 22:03

Yohan Modric wrote:More of a sideways move imo. Step up would be Real/Barca/Bayern.

Should be added though that financially, Bayern would be a step down for him.
No way in hell we'd pay him 50% more than our top earners, and according to all reports we were indeed basically interested but fee and wages just weren't feasible.

Neither were Real willing to meet his wage demands.

So in a way he made a step up to Utd/PSG Laughing

by Dnmac4 Mon 03 Aug 2015, 22:13

Art Morte wrote:PSG's biggest domestic rival from last season, the runners-up Lyon, just signed Manchester United's 3rd-choice right-back, Rafael. When this is the domestic competition context between these clubs, I don't think you can say that PSG are a step up from United.

You could have the world's 11 best players playing for Al-Sadd, or what ever clubs there are in Qatar, and that wouldn't make them a step up to a top Premier League club.

Uh, Arsenal were knocked out by Monaco.

How soon we forget.

by Glory Mon 03 Aug 2015, 22:28

As mole said in football these days only what happens last or latest is given the top prominence. Its unfortunate but its true. But then it can change pretty quickly too if we perform reasonably well in the league this season and match PSG in the Ucl. We will be considered better in that scenario since ligue1 is basically a walk in the park for PSG where as we are playing in a bigger and tougher league.

Hence as this notion itself is ephemeral and pretty much flawed how can one vouch for and take seriously someone who speaks on the basis of that in the first place. Hence this is hardly an issue to waste time over. Surprised RG even went on an opened a new thread for it tbh.

If that alone is not enough, this pos Silva he is referring to 1 single incident where a player's original intention was to join them from the very beginning and instead came to us only because circumstances forced him to. Now he is getting what he want and suddenly such blatant and stupid claims like 1 club is bigger than the other ?!

Say a player like ddg or a player like Luke shaw for instance, players who the club consider indispensable, tomorrow express they want to move to PSG for the better of their future, if they start showing interest in them that is. Then fine, all these things like which is the better club, step up and all will come into play. But not here.

As for who will win the cl first from now/ who has the better team argument its not fair to judge us when someone like lvg is holding us back and not putting our best team on the pitch in the name of balance, philosophy and shit. Just saying.

by sportsczy Mon 03 Aug 2015, 23:36

I think you guys are downplaying Ligue 1 because they're selling their overrated players to dumb EPL teams who honestly don't watch from what i can tell.

Monaco is stronger
Lyon is stronger
OM is the same imo... which bothers me but that's another story lol.

Now i think PSG are better this season so they've stepped up too... but it doesn't take away that all the teams in the top 4 are better other than OM who's no worse.

I think Monaco is going to be a beast btw...

by Kaladin Tue 04 Aug 2015, 03:06

Glory wrote: As mole said in football these days only what happens last or latest is given the top prominence. Its unfortunate but its true. But then it can change pretty quickly too if we perform reasonably well in the league this season and match PSG in the Ucl. We will be considered better in that scenario since ligue1 is basically a walk in the park for PSG where as we are playing in a bigger and tougher league.

Hence as this notion itself is ephemeral and pretty much flawed how can one vouch for and take seriously someone who speaks on the basis of that in the first place. Hence this is hardly an issue to waste time over. Surprised RG even went on an opened a new thread for it tbh.

If that alone is not enough, this pos Silva he is referring to 1 single incident where a player's original intention was to join them from the very beginning and instead came to us only because circumstances forced him to. Now he is getting what he want and suddenly such blatant and stupid claims like 1 club is bigger than the other ?!

Say a player like ddg or a player like Luke shaw for instance, players who the club consider indispensable, tomorrow express they want to move to PSG for the better of their future, if they start showing interest in them that is. Then fine, all these things like which is the better club, step up and all will come into play. But not here.

As for who will win the cl first from now/ who has the better team argument its not fair to judge us when someone like lvg is holding us back and not putting our best team on the pitch in the name of balance, philosophy and shit. Just saying.

He didn't say that though, he said its a step up (which it is)

by Glory Tue 04 Aug 2015, 06:08

Yea its a step up based on the past year or year and a half. Paris is a step up for his wifey than manchester . And that's about it.

Admit PSG are a stronger team right now but we aren't that far off as people make us to be. And majority of the neutrals or rival fans are basing consciously or otherwise their opinion on the latest match which happened between the two clubs in america. Not sure a lot of these people know or care to know how badly lvg was fking us up with team selection and formation.

by sportsczy Tue 04 Aug 2015, 06:34

It's three steps up since SAF left... i mean you had Moyes and now Van Gaal with only Rooney and De Gea as legit WC players on the squad. PSG have Verratti, Ibra, SIlva, Matuidi, Cavani, Motta, etc.

PSG are much much closer to competing for a CL title than Man U.

If SAF was still there, it would be an entirely different story of course.

When you get right down to it... SAF was the entire reason Man U was elite. They weren't elite before and they're not elite now. Transition from him hasn't happened yet...

by Glory Tue 04 Aug 2015, 07:11

How is having more WC individual players guarantee that a team is stronger as a unit over another. There are many clubs that disapprove that notion. Important one being Atleti. Many clubs have more WC players than them and yet they are nowhere near the quality of Simeone's team collectively.
Also if you are counting matuidi, Motta etc are as WC then carrick is wc. Then there is Schweini now who is WC. Not so long ago we had rvp and falcao who were WC if you can count someone like Cavani WC.
The only WC players in PSG imo are IBRA, Silva and verrati and soon di maria.

Agree we aren't elite now and all but then PSG ain't either. The people who think PSG is elite is either BSing or is biased big time.
The only elite clubs right now are the 2 Spanish giants and Bayern. In the next tier there is Chelsea, juve, and atleti. Only then the man cities and PSGs of this world can be slotted in. You will disagree I know especially since you in your last post was hyping up ligue 1 and its quality. I don't have a problem with that actually. It could be true.
But PSG will only become valid once they go far in cl like juve did last year in my books at least.

by B-Mac Tue 04 Aug 2015, 07:38

this thread hurts to read lmao

just a pissing contest

will not bite

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