BPL teams (not) taking the EL seriously?

But what about now with the CL entry as prize? Wouldn't that be sufficient incentive for English clubs?

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:When i say not trying, i mean the club in general isn't. I'm sure the players themselves try their best.

This

There is a difference and it's one of the reason LA Liga fans get annoyed with EPL fans as when Man United lost to Bilbao EPL fans everywhere were saying, "Oh we just didn't try" even though they put out there best lineup.

They went for it and lost.  Flat out.

And also not prioritizing it and not taking it seriously is two different things.  It's also a great scouting ground for young players.  A lot of strikers have made there names in this tournament.

It's not just about BPL team .

-Fans don't care : How many of of you watch it seriously ( not only about the semi-finals and further)
-Sponsors don't really care otherwise there would be more money for the teams
-Managers just hope their best players don't get injuired so they use players who need game time ( they are motivated )

I've already heard many coach say just after an elimination '' Now, we can focus on the league ''.

Anyways i like to watch random teams in EL, I like to watch Dnipro and teams from others leagues tha I never watch. It's more fun and they give their all. the level might not be the best but there is less calculation.

You would think so wouldn't you but there's already one English team are quite clearly thought it was a waste of their time.

I'm personally very much against that attitude and feel sorry for the fans of said club who spend their wages to go abroad and watch their team rest all their players.

But sadly it is what it is, i wish all english teams approached it like Southampton who genuinely want to win it. I doubt they will tbf, but if you don't try you don't get anything.

rwo power wrote:But what about now with the CL entry as prize? Wouldn't that be sufficient incentive for English clubs?

English clubs try.  It's just generally the better teams get out of the group stages of the CL and the lower level English sides are crap in Europe.

Hell the EPL has been Crap in Europe forever compared to it's counterparts except for a 4-5 year span when they owned the CL.

LeBéninois wrote:I've already heard many coach say just after an elimination '' Now, we can focus on the league ''.

This statement has always sounded like sour grapes to me, TBH

LeBéninois wrote:It's not just about BPL team .

-Fans don't care : How many of of you watch it seriously ( not only about the semi-finals and further)
-Sponsors don't really care otherwise there would be more money for the teams
-Managers just hope their best players don't get injuired so they use players who need game time ( they are motivated )

I've already heard many coach say just after an elimination '' Now, we can focus on the league ''.

Anyways i like to watch random teams in EL, I like to watch Dnipro and teams from others leagues tha I never watch. It's more fun and they give their all. the level might not be the best but there is less calculation.

I agree it's not EPL teams as most of them do try there just not good enough to win.  
Italian teams for a long time flat out didn't care (which isn't the case anymore) and it's killed them taking there 4th CL spot away.  They try now.

It's just EPL fans are more vocal and use the we didn't try as a crutch more than any other league.

rwo power wrote:

LeBéninois wrote:I've already heard many coach say just after an elimination '' Now, we can focus on the league ''.

This statement has always sounded like sour grapes to me, TBH

Agreed, it's coach speak.

Again like I said in a previous post, the EL can embarrass you as a coach and a team almost like losing to a second division team in the FA Cup but not quite as bad.

So they say there going to concentrate on the league as if they weren't doing that anyways.

I don't disagree with you. I guess it's why the game is played and not simmed. The number of 'good' teams that tend to lose early in the Europa and even domestic cup competitions definitely makes you scratch your head sometimes -- even if they are playing their 2nd or 3rd string players which are usually still considered too good for those other teams.

Liverpool took it seriously the last 2 times were were in it. It just so happened that Rodgers had no idea how to win a 2 legged tie so we lost to both Zenit and Besiktas.

Don't call me James wrote:Liverpool took it seriously the last 2 times were were in it. It just so happened that Rodgers had no idea how to win a 2 legged tie so we lost to both Zenit and Besiktas.

Which there's no shame in really.  Zenit and Besiktas are two good teams and places you don't want to go on the road to.

Gil blatantly lying lol.

I even heard Chelsea fans complaining that Benitez prioritized the 'vanity' EL win for him over the league games in the end

Curtinho, dnmac has demonstrated PL teams are by no means fielding their B-teams.
They're fielding their A-teams, with the exception of West Ham.

Let's put that myth to bed then.

Hapless_Hans wrote:Gil blatantly lying lol.

I even heard Chelsea fans complaining that Benitez prioritized the 'vanity' EL win for him over the league games in the end

Curtinho, dnmac has demonstrated PL teams are by no means fielding their B-teams.
They're fielding their A-teams, with the exception of West Ham.

Let's put that myth to bed then.

Not really they are lol, it's not a myth at all. Even when we were in it despite the fact we made it to the quarters we played our B team lol.

No need for your german agenda

The EPL fan Newspeak is always fascinating.

EPL clubs aren't actually incapable. They are just not taking the EL seriously.

When Manchester United don't win they aren't shit. They are just "in transition".

When Manchester United keep losing their best players to better clubs like Real Madrid it's not because Manchester United is a smaller, less successful, less attractive club. After all, United is the biggest club of all time. It's just the weather's or an annoying girlfriend's fault.

When EPL clubs bottle it in the CL yet again and are on the verge to losing their 4th CL spot it's not because they suck. It's because "it goes in cycles".

"Barca didn't try when they lost 4-0 to Milan" - Johan Cruyff.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:"Barca didn't try when they lost 4-0 to Milan" - Johan Cruyff.

See, and that's why Cruyff was sacked from his honorary presidential position.

Scrubomeu

futbol wrote:The EPL fan Newspeak is always fascinating.

EPL clubs aren't actually incapable. They are just not taking the EL seriously.

When Manchester United don't win they aren't shit. They are just "in transition".

When Manchester United keep losing their best players to better clubs like Real Madrid it's not because Manchester United is a smaller, less successful, less attractive club. After all, United is the biggest club of all time. It's just the weather's or an annoying girlfriend's fault.

When EPL clubs bottle it in the CL yet again and are on the verge to losing their 4th CL spot it's not because they suck. It's because "it goes in cycles".

Fussball telling it like it is

Thank you, it is a pleasure to read your scribbles

Futbol just mad that Spanish teams have to be super try hard to compete imo

In the MEN'S LEAGUE we don't even have to try to sometimes be good now and again

EPL fan Newspeak Love it

Europa League doesn't have the money that the BPL provides nor does it carry the prestige of the UCL. So, my own opinion on this, is that there is a clash happening. On one hand, players love to win trophies and I think they would always take the Europa seriously. On the other hand, I get the idea that upper management in BPL clubs (that aren't the usual top teams) prefer to see a healthy cash flow than fight up with a cup that isn't a good ROI.

I agree that some take it serious and some don't and that's the problem. All should take it serious and not just some. It would be interesting to see how English teams turn out this season.

Honestly I completely forgot that we won the EL a few years ago until the op mentioned it. Smh the carling cup is more memorable.

I can't respect a trophy that celebrates second tier teams.

Blue wrote:Honestly I completely forgot that we won the EL a few years ago until the op mentioned it. Smh the carling cup is more memorable.

I can't respect a trophy that celebrates second tier teams.

The Carling cup is one of the most ridiculous competitions in Europe.  I can't tell if anyone takes that competition seriously.

To compare the EL and the Carling Cup is pure madness.

Even the trophy sucks, it's like the size of a Pint glass.

Doc wrote:EPL fan Newspeak Love it

Europa League doesn't have the money that the BPL provides nor does it carry the prestige of the UCL. So, my own opinion on this, is that there is a clash happening. On one hand, players love to win trophies and I think they would always take the Europa seriously. On the other hand, I get the idea that upper management in BPL clubs (that aren't the usual top teams) prefer to see a healthy cash flow than fight up with a cup that isn't a good ROI.

I agree that some take it serious and some don't and that's the problem. All should take it serious and not just some. It would be interesting to see how English teams turn out this season.

But the teams in the Europa League shouldn't be fighting to stay in the EPL, one should have nothing to do with the other.

I mean the EPL has a pretty standard top 4 so to suggest if you try in the EL you wont make the top 4 or you may get relegated is kind of nonsense.

There teams just are not good enough to win it.  They run into better teams or teams they think they should beat because there in the EPL and can walk out there and beat them, and that's not the case.

I think tons of fans just are not aware how poor the EPL has always been in Europe (except for a 4-5 year stint where they owned it) and how much the league has gone down hill since SAF retired.

There are just a lot of trash teams with a couple big name players that play hoof ball and don't know what to do when they play against teams that actually want to retain the ball and force there pace on the game.

I have to admit it is fun to watch but the teams just are not elite anymore.  That is why they lose, and the total lack of homegrown talent makes the lesser teams awful when they play there youth compared to teams from other countries.

lol

EPL teams just sucks in europe thats it. No need to sugarcoat it as not caring.

there is cl place at its stake. Back in the day people were saying mule legaue and serie z teams are not caring because EL doesnt give any incentive.

Now that winner gets the CL and serie z and dont kee leeg teams are still shet in EL...what excuse they have? simply not good enough.

Serie A did well last two years though.

Lord Spencer wrote:Serie A did well last two years though.

Mainly because in recent times FK Rabotnicki Kometal Skopje, Atromitos Athen, Odd Grenland and the likes didn't take it seriously and concentrated on winning their respective leagues.