Re: USA gun violence thread

[Blue Barrett]

Here are a group of minority NYPD police officers explicitly confirming what we're saying.

https://twitter.com/Urban_Supremacy/status/751146746441371648/video/1


But oh "it has nothing to do with race!!!!"

[DuringTheWar]

If you have any cogent arguments to the points that have been raised, I'll respond to it.

Tumbleweed.

First posting pictures now coming up with anecdotal "look he says so!!!!"

From what I've read American puclic schools are complete wank at teaching kids how to think and argue, and you're a prize example of that.

Let's try again, here are the points that have been raised, in different more concise form: https://mobile.twitter.com/benshapiro/status/751161863988244481/photo/1

Disagree? I'd love to hear a friggin reasoned counter argument to it, not a sob story about segregation half a century ago.

[Unique]

Wow. I knew there was a reason I kept out of this section.

As if Unique's racist ramblings weren't enough

it's not racist do dislike a barbaric out of date religion darling

[Unique]

Here are a group of minority NYPD police officers explicitly confirming what we're saying.

https://twitter.com/Urban_Supremacy/status/751146746441371648/video/1


But oh "it has nothing to do with race!!!!"

so what your saying is trigger happy police shoot a few black people and it's all about race. Yet thousands of Islamic terrorist run around the world killing people and blowing shit up and it's has absolutely nothing to do with religion.

[Blue Barrett]

If you have any cogent arguments to the points that have been raised, I'll respond to it.

Tumbleweed.

First posting pictures now coming up with anecdotal "look he says so!!!!"

From what I've read American puclic schools are complete wank at teaching kids how to think and argue, and you're a prize example of that.

Let's try again, here are the points that have been raised, in different more concise form: https://mobile.twitter.com/benshapiro/status/751161863988244481/photo/1

Disagree? I'd love to hear a friggin reasoned counter argument to it, not a sob story about segregation half a century ago.

1. Did you answer the question I asked with that picture?

2. Did you respond to what I outlined about the history of racism in America?

3. I didn't even go to school in the US. I schooled in the UK. Congrats for being an idiot.

4. When you're ready to acknowledge and talk about the things I posted in that lengthy post, we'll talk. I won't waste any second lifting a finger to type anything else towards you. You obviously have a belief system you don't give a *bleep* one bit about shedding. I don't have time to make arguments at a brick wall.

So forgive me, DuringTheWar, but I couldn't care less about talking to someone who thinks the history people's suffering is a "sob story". Kindly piss off.

[Blue Barrett]

Here are a group of minority NYPD police officers explicitly confirming what we're saying.

https://twitter.com/Urban_Supremacy/status/751146746441371648/video/1


But oh "it has nothing to do with race!!!!"

so what your saying is trigger happy police shoot a few black people and it's all about race. Yet thousands of Islamic terrorist run around the world killing people and blowing shit up and it's has absolutely nothing to do with religion.

Unbelievable....wtf are you even talking about? Wtf does that have to do with this? Amazing. Did you even listen to what was said in that video? You know what? Never mind. Carry on. I think I've had enough GL for one day.

[RealGunner]

wtf is going on in Dallas

[rwo power]

According to the Guardian, several policemen were shot (reportedly 5 killed, 6 injured) by snipers during protests against the events that culminated in two black men murdered by the police the last days. As there are huge protest actions against the police violence around, it almost looks to me like the beginning of some civil unrest that currently starts in Dallas.

But then, that's what the second amendment is for, isn't it? So that people can defend themselves with guns and rifles against the powers of the state?

[Blue Barrett]

There's a lot of unclear information at the moment. It looked like a well coordinated attack by professionals. Something that couldn't have been done on impulse. Plus the Dallas PD have always been friendly and supported the Black Lives Matter movement. They were at the protest to protect those protesters. They had been using their official social media to direct people safely all throughout the protest. Some of them even took pictures with some protesters.



https://twitter.com/DallasPD/status/751222360867418112/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


It seems to me like one of two things:

1. Neo-Nazi nutjobs trying to incite a race war of sorts by making it look like it was black people shooting at police as "revenge".

2. A nutjob black guy who took things way too far to say the least (there's ALWAYS that idiot).


Sad, sad, horrific event.

[RealGunner]

2nd amendment right is the biggest farce ever known to humankind

[Kaladin]

2nd amendment right is the biggest farce ever known to humankind

+1

[Tomwin Lannister]

Sort it our Murica ffs you have 10 years or i'm moving to Canada instead.

[rwo power]

It seems to me like one of two things:
1. Neo-Nazi nutjobs trying to incite a race war of sorts by making it look like it was black people shooting at police as "revenge".
2. A nutjob black guy who took things way too far to say the least (there's ALWAYS that idiot).

The problem is that no matter which reason it is, in the current heated situation this can easily spread like wildfire, especially as there are far too many people running around with guns in the US.

Sad, sad, horrific event.

I wholeheartily agree.

[Guest]

2nd amendment right is the biggest farce ever known to humankind

It remains a necessary evil at this time though.

[rwo power]

@Betty

Why "necessary"?

[Vlad the Impaler]

It has to hit harder towards humanity so enough individuals will wake up and form a collective together to bring good above evil.

Something like, things that happen around us is everything that we deserve as individuals. We don't deserve more or less, better or worse, it's exactly what we are and who we are. And if things like this happen to many people (in a circle, country, continent), it means we as a group have individuals who have to progress and go through hardships to the stars (per aspera ad astra).

[Unique]

There's a lot of unclear information at the moment. It looked like a well coordinated attack by professionals. Something that couldn't have been done on impulse. Plus the Dallas PD have always been friendly and supported the Black Lives Matter movement. They were at the protest to protect those protesters. They had been using their official social media to direct people safely all throughout the protest. Some of them even took pictures with some protesters.

Spoiler:

It seems to me like one of two things:

1. Neo-Nazi nutjobs trying to incite a race war of sorts by making it look like it was black people shooting at police as "revenge".

2. A nutjob black guy who took things way too far to say the least (there's ALWAYS that idiot).


Sad, sad, horrific event.

so what was it. a white guy trying to start a race war or one black guy doing it simply because he is a nut job.

[Vlad the Impaler]

In continuation of my previous post: but changes, they are in the hands of those individuals. In our hands. Changing the world is in my hands, is also in your hands and his hands.

To change a political or social situation in a country for example, every person from that country has to change herself and progress in education, behaviour, work ethic and of course the domain in subject so that their children can also make children and after 2-3-4 generations the country will really change because the grandparents of that nation became themselves an example for the society.

Later EDIT:

So if people think that the Second Amendment of the United States Constituion is generally harmful, they should find a way to create new political generations by educating their children and grandchildren in the way they think it is fair and correct to raise a healthy and honest person. Things don't happen suddenly, usually it takes years to change something. It's brick by brick to build a castle.

[Pedram]

2nd amendment right is the biggest farce ever known to humankind

It remains a necessary evil at this time though.

There's no need to rationalize it, second amendment is outdated and doesn't belong to the modern world.

[Unique]

ive never been to the USA so I don't know what really goes on but can one of you guys tell me the % of risk it is to get shot by a black guy in the area these shooting took place. what I'm saying is what is the gun crime rates in that area. what % of that gun crime is committed buy young black men. I refuse to beleave that police just pull random black people  over and shoot them. it seems to me that the police are in a panic situation and shoot for fear of their life and not think there is a black guy I'm gonna shoot him.

[Guest]

@Betty

Why "necessary"?

Because its a right granted because the government can't, or at the very least won't, defend the rights of all citizens in this country.

Nobody likes guns, but there is a reason the provision is there for a militias.

2nd amendment right is the biggest farce ever known to humankind

It remains a necessary evil at this time though.

There's no need to rationalize it, second amendment is outdated and doesn't belong to the modern world.

No rationalizing it, but it remains necessary where the government doesnt do its job.

You outlaw guns now and the only people who will have guns are either criminals, who means nobody any well being, and cops who have shown they don't mean well for minority groups.

Either we go full china and get rid of all of them, or we simply make restrictions more plentiful.

Nobody likes guns, but simply getting rid of the second amendment won't make them go away any more than prohibition got rid of alcohol

[Art Morte]

This Dallas thing is just extraordinary. Three or four gunmen apparently co-operating together. Never heard of this kind of attack in America before.

[McLewis]

And that's not even mentioning the fact that Louisiana is an open carry state a.k.a Alton Sterling had a right to have a gun on him, innit?

Just to clarify, Open Carry doesn't mean anyone can carry around a gun in the literal sense. You still need to have a permit to carry. There's a good deal of misinformation going around as to whether the gun on Sterling was legal or not, but if it wasn't, then that would only have made the cops more suspicious of him. Even it if was legal, it may not have saved him anyway....as we saw with Philando Castile.

[McLewis]

As for these events that have been occurring over the past few days. I'll post my thoughts when there's more information out there and less misinformation. Lots of sensationalism going on. My is heart is heavy for the Sterling and Castile families as well as the families of this officers though. That much I know.

[RealGunner]

Philando Castile case is an absolute disgrace. I don't know how anyone can justify that as nothing but murder.

But then there are some who would argue that black people aren't really targeted in USA

[Art Morte]

I gotta say, though, that in 9 out of 10 in these shooting videos, the person who gets shot are not doing what the officers are telling them or are even physically resisting them. That's some grade A stupidity on their part.

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