Eibar - Barcelona

Page 2 of 2 Previous  1, 2

Go down

Re: Eibar - Barcelona

Post by alexjanosik on Mon Mar 07, 2016 4:59 am

nazimali12 wrote:I think this is called different thing, but definitely not passing under pressure. maybe tiki taka under pressure? because its simply passes but used in right moment and right place. I agree that Alves is the best at it (only second to messi) in Barcelona team.

here is more of them


Why isnt it passing under pressure? They perform a complicated sequence of passes while being closed down and pressed. Their passing enables them to escape the pressure and open up the play. I think it is a good example. What would you describe as passing under pressure then?

alexjanosik
First Team
First Team

Posts : 2403
Join date : 2011-06-05

Back to top Go down

Re: Eibar - Barcelona

Post by alexjanosik on Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:02 am

@free_cat wrote:
@alexjanosik wrote:Terrible 30 min.Watch the game again. He is still the best fullback on the planet and we dont win jack without him.
Oh I forgot.You are on the Messi bandwagon.Jog it on.
Does it hurt you to know that Alves is a better passer under pressure than Messi.


Alves isn't a better passer than Messi under pressure, above pressure or besides pressure.


I think Alves is a slightly better passer under pressure. I just happen to think he is more precise and less prone to making mistakes.Messi has a tendency to overhit and play to the wrong foot. You wont agree. Lets leave it at that.

alexjanosik
First Team
First Team

Posts : 2403
Join date : 2011-06-05

Back to top Go down

Re: Eibar - Barcelona

Post by Valkyrja on Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:16 am

Modric is a fantastic passer. He uses the outside of the foot better than anyone that I've seen. Him and Marcelo are IMO our best passers. I've rarely seen Marcelo miss a 1 touch pass. Thiago, Gundogan (he's ridiculously two footed) are also great from BL. In PL, Ozil is the best followed by David Silva. Kroos' has great precision but he usually needs 2 touches.

_________________
avatar
Valkyrja
World Class Contributor
World Class Contributor

Club Supported : Real Madrid
Posts : 10403
Join date : 2011-11-10

Back to top Go down

Re: Eibar - Barcelona

Post by alexjanosik on Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:39 am

@Valkyrja wrote:Modric is a fantastic passer. He uses the outside of the foot better than anyone that I've seen. Him and Marcelo are IMO our best passers. I've rarely seen Marcelo miss a 1 touch pass. Thiago, Gundogan (he's ridiculously two footed) are also great from BL. In PL, Ozil is the best followed by David Silva. Kroos' has great precision but he usually needs 2 touches.


Good choices. Modric is a great passer. Very good under pressure. And yeah he is a fantastic outside of the foot passer but I can name someone from his neck of the woods who is better at that skill. Tomas Rosicky is arguably better at that. Modric is a great choice though and I wont argue too much. I would rate him and Alves on a par although not entirely sure the Croat is better.

Marcelo is an excellent passer but I am more impressed by his creativity and ingenuity than his passing. One of my favorite players and easily the most creative player at Madrid. Alves is a better passer imo.

Thiago is a great passer and very good under pressure but the problem I have with him is the same I have with Messi. The weight of the pass is too often off on the supposedly easier passes. He either overhits them or plays to the wrong foot. Unless he can erase that from his game, Alves is better imo.

Gundogan I am not too sure is an elite passer. Certainly not better than Alves.
Silva is an excellent suggestion.He is great under pressure and has the final pass. Tight one. I prefer Alves but I wont argue if you say the Spaniard is marginally better.
Ozil has a great final ball but I dont think he can pass as well as Alves under pressure.
Kroos as you mentioned has deficiencies. He has great range with either foot but he doesnt have the final ball and is not great when pressed.

alexjanosik
First Team
First Team

Posts : 2403
Join date : 2011-06-05

Back to top Go down

Re: Eibar - Barcelona

Post by Valkyrja on Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:59 am

@alexjanosik wrote:
@Valkyrja wrote:Modric is a fantastic passer. He uses the outside of the foot better than anyone that I've seen. Him and Marcelo are IMO our best passers. I've rarely seen Marcelo miss a 1 touch pass. Thiago, Gundogan (he's ridiculously two footed) are also great from BL. In PL, Ozil is the best followed by David Silva. Kroos' has great precision but he usually needs 2 touches.


Good choices. Modric is a great passer. Very good under pressure. And yeah he is a fantastic outside of the foot passer but I can name someone from his neck of the woods who is better at that skill. Tomas Rosicky is arguably better at that. Modric is a great choice though and I wont argue too much. I would rate him and Alves on a par although not entirely sure the Croat is better.

Marcelo is an excellent passer but I am more impressed by his creativity and ingenuity than his passing. One of my favorite players and easily the most creative player at Madrid. Alves is a better passer imo.

Thiago is a great passer and very good under pressure but the problem I have with him is the same I have with Messi. The weight of the pass is too often off on the supposedly easier passes. He either overhits them or plays to the wrong foot. Unless he can erase that from his game, Alves is better imo.

Gundogan I am not too sure is an elite passer. Certainly not better than Alves.
Silva is an excellent suggestion.He is great under pressure and has the final pass. Tight one. I prefer Alves but I wont argue if you say the Spaniard is marginally better.
Ozil has a great final ball but I dont think he can pass as well as Alves under pressure.
Kroos as you mentioned has deficiencies. He has great range with either foot but he doesnt have the final ball and is not great when pressed.


when you play in the middle it is important to be two-footed imo. that's why ozil sometimes struggles under pressure because most of the times he has to switch the ball to his left foot. players like marcelo and alves who play near the touchline most of the time receive the ball on their stronger foot and gain 1 second. quick feet and first touch are also important for someone to be a great passer, especially under pressure. kroos has probably the best passing range in the world at the moment, but he is very slow and can't react quickly

Gundogan is fantastic in my opinion and the quintessential heir to Xavi as I don't even want to hear the mention of Verratti. doesn't quite have the close control dribbling that Verratti has (but neither does Xavi), but his intelligence, space awareness, composure, movement and first touch are up there with the best in the world. the italian doesn't strike me as an incredibly intelligent player. never seen a young midfielder dominate a game like Gundogan did in 12/13 against us. he was everywhere. came deep to get the ball, distribute, penetrate our defence ocasionally, was in defence helping out, was there always for a pass. fantastic display.

_________________
avatar
Valkyrja
World Class Contributor
World Class Contributor

Club Supported : Real Madrid
Posts : 10403
Join date : 2011-11-10

Back to top Go down

Re: Eibar - Barcelona

Post by Harmonica on Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:09 am

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Thoughts on Munir's performance? Is he ready to step up as the first alternative to MSN and become the new Pedro?

Personally I tought his passing was quite imprecise, and you could see it annoy Suarez at times, but at the same time he opened the score board when it mattered.
0,87 GAp90m Munir 15-16, 7+7, 1454 min
0,82 GAp90m Pedro 14-15, 11+9, 2197 min

Munir is worse passer than Pedro, but better dribbler.

_________________
- Come with me. Save yourself. You don't owe Argentine people any more. You've given them everything.
- Not everything. Not yet.
avatar
Harmonica
World Class Contributor
World Class Contributor

Club Supported : Barcelona
Posts : 11028
Join date : 2011-06-07

Back to top Go down

Re: Eibar - Barcelona

Post by The Demon of Carthage on Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:22 am

Those stats would've made sense if Munir had come up against the exact same players, at the same level, under the same circumstances, all while having the exact same amount of possession and freedom; which, realistically speaking, is almost impossible to have.






_________________
•Proud fan of the biggest and most prestigious club in the world•
El Rey de Europa
avatar
The Demon of Carthage
First Team
First Team

Club Supported : Real Madrid
Posts : 3167
Join date : 2015-01-25

Back to top Go down

Re: Eibar - Barcelona

Post by Kebab on Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:26 am

@alexjanosik wrote:
nazimali12 wrote:I think this is called different thing, but definitely not passing under pressure. maybe tiki taka under pressure? because its simply passes but used in right moment and right place. I agree that Alves is the best at it (only second to messi) in Barcelona team.

here is more of them


Why isnt it passing under pressure? They perform a complicated sequence of passes while being closed down and pressed. Their passing enables them to escape the pressure and open up the play. I think it is a good example. What would you describe as passing under pressure then?
playing under pressure is the best description. If you can play under pressure well then there is no problem with passing if you are a great passer. if messi is so calm when dribbling and shooting under pressure then why he would get nervious while passing? No logic here.

What you want to say is Alves is a great player under pressure.this is it. And overhitting happens with everybody.alves himself makes tons of overhit passes.this argument is extra detailed i think.and prooving something is difficult as nobody thinks about those details much
avatar
Kebab
Starlet
Starlet

Posts : 550
Join date : 2016-02-06

Back to top Go down

Re: Eibar - Barcelona

Post by Kebab on Mon Mar 07, 2016 7:29 am

@Valkyrja wrote:

when you play in the middle it is important to be two-footed imo. that's why ozil sometimes struggles under pressure because most of the times he has to switch the ball to his left foot. players like marcelo and alves who play near the touchline most of the time receive the ball on their stronger foot and gain 1 second. quick feet and first touch are also important for someone to be a great passer, especially under pressure. kroos has probably the best passing range in the world at the moment, but he is very slow and can't react quickly
i think it doesnt turn you into a great passer when  you are under pressure. you are same passer but pressure doesnt affect your pass. Means you are great player under pressure

Agree with touchline point. We havent seen alves and marcelo in the middle to call them better passer than the players mentioned in this thread. probably we would have more overhit and misplaced pass examples from them
avatar
Kebab
Starlet
Starlet

Posts : 550
Join date : 2016-02-06

Back to top Go down

Re: Eibar - Barcelona

Post by Guest on Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:10 am

It's all relative isn't it? You can be the best passer in the word, but it means nothing if your teammates aren't putting themselves in good positions to receive the pass and/or making good runs.

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Re: Eibar - Barcelona

Post by BarrileteCosmico on Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:12 am

@Harmonica wrote:
@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Thoughts on Munir's performance? Is he ready to step up as the first alternative to MSN and become the new Pedro?

Personally I tought his passing was quite imprecise, and you could see it annoy Suarez at times, but at the same time he opened the score board when it mattered.
0,87 GAp90m Munir 15-16, 7+7, 1454 min
0,82 GAp90m Pedro 14-15, 11+9, 2197 min

Munir is worse passer than Pedro, but better dribbler.


Hardly a surprise that anyone would be a better dribbled than that Pedro

_________________
avatar
BarrileteCosmico
Admin
Admin

Club Supported : River Plate
Posts : 22905
Join date : 2011-06-05
Age : 28

Back to top Go down

Re: Eibar - Barcelona

Post by Myesyats on Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:17 am

@The Demon of Carthage wrote:Those stats would've made sense if Munir had come up against the exact same players, at the same level, under the same circumstances, all while having the exact same amount of possession and freedom; which, realistically speaking, is almost impossible to have.

Great post, that also applies to most other statistical comparisons if not every one of them.

Myesyats
Fan Favorite
Fan Favorite

Club Supported : Private
Posts : 8127
Join date : 2015-05-03

Back to top Go down

Re: Eibar - Barcelona

Post by Harmonica on Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:04 am

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:
@Harmonica wrote:
@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Thoughts on Munir's performance? Is he ready to step up as the first alternative to MSN and become the new Pedro?

Personally I tought his passing was quite imprecise, and you could see it annoy Suarez at times, but at the same time he opened the score board when it mattered.
0,87 GAp90m Munir 15-16, 7+7, 1454 min
0,82 GAp90m Pedro 14-15, 11+9, 2197 min

Munir is worse passer than Pedro, but better dribbler.


Hardly a surprise that anyone would be a better dribbled than that Pedro
That's true, but he is pretty good dribbler, has got like 3 or 4 penalties running at players this season.

_________________
- Come with me. Save yourself. You don't owe Argentine people any more. You've given them everything.
- Not everything. Not yet.
avatar
Harmonica
World Class Contributor
World Class Contributor

Club Supported : Barcelona
Posts : 11028
Join date : 2011-06-07

Back to top Go down

Re: Eibar - Barcelona

Post by alexjanosik on Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:51 am

nazimali12 wrote:
@Valkyrja wrote:

when you play in the middle it is important to be two-footed imo. that's why ozil sometimes struggles under pressure because most of the times he has to switch the ball to his left foot. players like marcelo and alves who play near the touchline most of the time receive the ball on their stronger foot and gain 1 second. quick feet and first touch are also important for someone to be a great passer, especially under pressure. kroos has probably the best passing range in the world at the moment, but he is very slow and can't react quickly
i think it doesnt turn you into a great passer when  you are under pressure. you are same passer but pressure doesnt affect your pass. Means you are great player under pressure

Agree with touchline point. We havent seen alves and marcelo in the middle to call them better passer than the players mentioned in this thread. probably we would have more overhit and misplaced pass examples from them


Passing has everything to do with pressure. Surprised you are failing to see such a self evident point. Just look at players in our team like Rakitic, Alba and Pique. All 3 generally good passers of the ball. But press them and put them under pressure and they turn into woeful passers.

alexjanosik
First Team
First Team

Posts : 2403
Join date : 2011-06-05

Back to top Go down

Re: Eibar - Barcelona

Post by Kebab on Mon Mar 07, 2016 12:22 pm

@alexjanosik wrote:
nazimali12 wrote:
@Valkyrja wrote:

when you play in the middle it is important to be two-footed imo. that's why ozil sometimes struggles under pressure because most of the times he has to switch the ball to his left foot. players like marcelo and alves who play near the touchline most of the time receive the ball on their stronger foot and gain 1 second. quick feet and first touch are also important for someone to be a great passer, especially under pressure. kroos has probably the best passing range in the world at the moment, but he is very slow and can't react quickly
i think it doesnt turn you into a great passer when  you are under pressure. you are same passer but pressure doesnt affect your pass. Means you are great player under pressure

Agree with touchline point. We havent seen alves and marcelo in the middle to call them better passer than the players mentioned in this thread. probably we would have more overhit and misplaced pass examples from them


Passing has everything to do with pressure. Surprised you are failing to see such a self evident point. Just look at players in our team like Rakitic, Alba and Pique. All 3 generally good passers of the ball. But press them and put them under pressure and they turn into woeful passers.
yes this is what i said. its not only their passing they are  overall not good under pressure. my logic was that a good passer doesnt become a great passer under pressure. his passing stays the same. but good passer can become a bad passer under pressure because they are overall poor under pressure. Alves is overall good under pressure
avatar
Kebab
Starlet
Starlet

Posts : 550
Join date : 2016-02-06

Back to top Go down

Re: Eibar - Barcelona

Post by FennecFox7 on Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:12 am

Marcus Aurelius wrote:
@The Demon of Carthage wrote:Those stats would've made sense if Munir had come up against the exact same players, at the same level, under the same circumstances, all while having the exact same amount of possession and freedom; which, realistically speaking, is almost impossible to have.



Great post, that also applies to most other statistical comparisons if not every one of them.
Don't hate on munir. I can see him being a world beater in a few years. Give him time

_________________

FennecFox7
Fan Favorite
Fan Favorite

Club Supported : Real Madrid
Posts : 6220
Join date : 2011-06-05
Age : 22

Back to top Go down

Re: Eibar - Barcelona

Post by Myesyats on Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:17 am

At what moment did I hate on Munir lol? I like him as a player. Just wanted to emphasize how pointless most of the statistical comparisons are, as also did the Demon, who happens to be Lucifer's relative?

I reckon Munir is a great player. Still needs to work on his passing game though.

Myesyats
Fan Favorite
Fan Favorite

Club Supported : Private
Posts : 8127
Join date : 2015-05-03

Back to top Go down

Re: Eibar - Barcelona

Post by Lucifer on Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:38 am

Marcus Aurelius wrote: Demon, who happens to be Lucifer's relative?

Nah he tries to win people's hearts while I roast people's heart and eat it with french fries and diet coke. Little difference I suppose. Devil by name devil by game, I am.

_________________
avatar
Lucifer
Fan Favorite
Fan Favorite

Club Supported : Atletico Madrid
Posts : 6074
Join date : 2015-06-16
Age : 28

Back to top Go down

Re: Eibar - Barcelona

Post by Myesyats on Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:46 am

That sounds pretty violent. I thought you were that nice little kid from the neigbourhood? Those must be the effects of the extra hard test your were preparing for recently *chuckles subtly*.

Myesyats
Fan Favorite
Fan Favorite

Club Supported : Private
Posts : 8127
Join date : 2015-05-03

Back to top Go down

Re: Eibar - Barcelona

Post by Lucifer on Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:51 am

Laughing

_________________
avatar
Lucifer
Fan Favorite
Fan Favorite

Club Supported : Atletico Madrid
Posts : 6074
Join date : 2015-06-16
Age : 28

Back to top Go down

Page 2 of 2 Previous  1, 2

Back to top

- Similar topics

 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum