Happenings in India

22nd September:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Men-carrying-arms-spotted-near-Mumbai-Indian-Navy-on-high-alert/articleshow/54463018.cms?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=TOI

The Indian Navy was put on alert along with Mumbai anti-terror squad and other security agencies. Marine commandos, MARCOS, are placed at Uran Navy base. Mumbai police have issued closure and are reviewing the situation.
Colaba police have also alerted its officers to be on watch.


According to TV reports, about four to five people were spotted wearing army fatigues in Uran near Mumbai, at 6 am on Thursday.

However, an IB source said that as of now, nothing suspicious has been found. The girl had told the police about suspect, but initial verification of the fact doesn't revel anything.

The school students who on Thursday, reportedly spotted several armed men near the naval base in Uran have revealed that they had overheard the men say the words ‘ONGC’ and ‘school’ repeatedly. The kids have also revealed the men, who have sent the Navy in the city on the highest alert, were speaking in a foreign language.

Oh ffs, It shouldn't anything other than some local gang but the kids mentioned black outifts and guns ffs

We can't afford anything like 26/11 again please.

For people who don't know what is 26/11 refer here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Mumbai_attacks

Things have escalated:

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/india-conducted-surgical-strikes-last-night-in-pok-to-safeguard-our-nation-defence-ministry-3055715/

Indian forced went 3km inside POK ( Pakistan occupied Kashmir illegally since 1948) and destroyed 8 terror camps.

We've taken the offensive and also we've announced it.

Pakistan is calling it normal artillery shelling.

30/09 Indian Newspapers:
"India Strikes" - Indian Express
"India hits terror hubs across LoC" - Hindustan Times
"Pak crossed the line. India crosses LoC" - The Times of India


30/09 Pak Newspapers:
"India fails to sell surgical strike" - The Nation
"Surgical strikes are India's delusion : Pakistan" - The News
"Escalation or brinkmanship at LoC" - Dawn
"Surgical farce blows up in India's face" - The Express Tribune
Source : Wall Street Journal



lmfaoooooooooooooo everyone is living in delusion.

sigh

The thing is whether India did a surgical strike or not it just declared openly that they just crossed Pakistan line of control. It is first time India are openly declaring cross boarder attack in Pakistan.

RealGunner wrote:Regarding Kashmir. Why don't both India and Pakistan give up their territory of Kashmir and allow them to form a separate state?

It is very simple. Both the countries does not benefit from a fight over Kashmir. More than half the Kashmir is under Pak control while rest is in Indian control and both countries governments are actually happy with what they got.

Then who has the problem? Pakistan Army. It has ruled Pakistan for over 40 years officially and it still blackmails the government. It has used Kargil and conflict with India as a tool to get large military budget allocation and also numerous coupes. Simply put Pakistan army wants to be in control of the country and Army is in control only when there is a conflict.

This is the root cause of India Pakistan conflict , not religion, not Kashmir, not anything.

Indian PM unexpectedly visited Pak PM during his daughters marriage and guess what? The next day bunch of terrorists attacked Indian Air base near the boarder. Pakistan military simply don't want peace. They will never allow peace inorder to be in control. Every Pakistan PM is under military coupe pressure. Their PM is so irrelevant sometimes other countries calls their military general directly to discuss foreign matter instead of diplomacy through the elected Democratic government.

Everywhere country has an army. In Pakistan, army has a country. This is the one and only problem of everything. Read military.inc written by a Pak journalist which is obviously banned in Pakistan . It exposes Militaries billion dollar industry in Pakistan, yes in Pakistan military owns billions of business, School,Bakery,hospital,mall etc.. Can you believe it? Poor Pakistani are brainwashed from early age to believe how Army is their Savior and how corrupt politicians are Pakistans enemy etc etc which is why every body in Pakistan supports military coupes every time.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Nagrota-terror-attack-7-Army-personnel-martyred-16-rescued-in-hostage-like-situation/articleshow/55689170.cms?


Terrorists entered the officer's mess. That's a place where i would have been if my dad was posted in the same location.

I've can't believe this.

I used to have breakfast in an army decorum and formals when i was 7 years old in the same mess that suffered 3 grenades today. Im done. I can't even....

That must be awful man. Glad your dad didn't get posted there.

Thanks RG, Means a lot.

We were there when i was a kid, When dad had stints on the Kashmir border. It all really hits you when it happens in something that's been a part of your life.

I can't wait for this madness to end, This world needs a disaster to start over again.

Stay strong man. I know exactly how you feel. Can't wait for this madness to end either.

That really sucks man. Wishing you all the best

Stay safe Hank.

Humans are terrible species. Causing harm to each other for the dumbest reasons.

the world has been pussy footing round these people for far to long. its time to end them

Stay safe, mate.

Human stupidity and selfishness know no bounds.

GL

Sigh.
Really sorry to hear that mate. Stay strong.

Glory wrote:China is to be equally blamed. They want to keep the whole of south eastern Asia their stronghold and intend on thwarting the emergence of any other nation. They are well aware the threat India possess to their domination. Its no wonder they are joining hands with every other country in the subcontinent, its not just Pakistan.

Even if we finally decide enough is enough and try to have a go at  Pak, China will come in the way and threaten us reminding us of their military might.
Its a delicate situation and these degenerate terrorists as well as the military officials know they have got China protecting their asses and hence can get away with anything and at the time of questioning can retreat to cheap blame games and counter remarks against India. India can continue seeking USA's help but we all know how its going to pan out as America beyond a certain stage will only mind their own business.

I do believe we have the forces to pluck these imbeciles out of their hideouts and in the process make the whole of south Asia terror free but then again we wont be able to match China if they come at us.

Once again like Sri said, by Pakistan I am also explicitly referring to the corrupt govt and military officials of Pakistan and not the civilians. Firmly believe the general population of theirs want to see an end to this shit more than anyone else.

No - Not on this issue. Pak has a decent military but more importantly significantly nuclear weapons (more than India) & are expanding their nuclear arsenal rapidly while they are pleading to the west for aid to feed their people. They are spending enormous on defense.

So even without China, there "Could" be a Nuclear War which would be the destruction of Asia & certainly majority of India & maybe whole of Pak. You have got maniacs in Pak threatening to use nuclear weapons w/o provocation.

@ Kashmir - This is clearly India & Pak's fault. Pak for attacking Kashmir & India for not doing a plebiscite. India annexed Junagadh as it was a Hindu state where the ruler wanted to go to Pak. India annexed Hyd (another princely state) & by that logic Pak has every right to claim Kashmir.

Also Indian laws like AFSPA are draconian & illegal as per UN & violate basic human rights. This is not to say Pak is any better - The condition in Baloch is possibly worse - They are exploited economically (unlike Kashmir who get money) & are killed en masse.

Both Baloch & Kashmir ideally should be free countries IMO or decide their own fate. I don't think there is any chance of Kashmir going to a clusterf*** called Pak.

But today that is not possible. India has like 55-60% of Kashmir (of which 35% odd are Hindu areas) & rest is with Pak & China. The only possible solution is to accept the correct fractured boundaries for long term peace. Neither Pak nor India will ever give land (the government will be killed by their own folks if they do)

Pak is obviously a danger to South Asian peace in general due to their military running the show, nuclear weapons, obsession with India, support for terrorists & prevalence of radical extremism.

@ Kashmir - This is clearly India & Pak's fault. Pak for attacking Kashmir & India for not doing a plebiscite. India annexed Junagadh as it was a Hindu state where the ruler wanted to go to Pak. India annexed Hyd (another princely state) & by that logic Pak has every right to claim Kashmir.

Hyderabad had to be annexed after what Pakistan did in Balochistan and Kashmir.

Also you do realize that Hyderabad and Junagadh were both annexed after the initial attacks on Kashmir by Pakistan, Hyderabad was after 1 year? They forced our hand, You could argue that India would have still gone and done it but that's for an argument's sake.

You can use personal logic in History, But it's always about the timeline and how everything built up, Never about logic.

They only place where we went out of hand were removing the Portuguese from Goa, Still a bit sad we didn't do that sooner and waited for 15 years after removing the British.

Nishankly wrote:

@ Kashmir - This is clearly India & Pak's fault. Pak for attacking Kashmir & India for not doing a plebiscite. India annexed Junagadh as it was a Hindu state where the ruler wanted to go to Pak. India annexed Hyd (another princely state) & by that logic Pak has every right to claim Kashmir.

Hyderabad had to be annexed after what Pakistan did in Balochistan and Kashmir.

Also you do realize that Hyderabad and Junagadh were both annexed after the initial attacks on Kashmir by Pakistan, Hyderabad was after 1 year? They forced our hand, You could argue that India would have still gone and done it but that's for an argument's sake.

You can use personal logic in History, But it's always about the timeline and how everything built up, Never about logic.

They only place where we went out of hand were removing the Portuguese from Goa, Still a bit sad we didn't do that sooner and waited for 15 years after removing the British.

You are making crazy radical points not dissimilar to what the Pak military & media do with "India only did it". No1 forces your hand to do atrocities.

1stly Junagadh was annexed before the Kashmir war. Because it was a Hindu area ruled by a Muslim ruler on the ground that the population wanted to be with India.

Regarding Baloch, their leaders wanted to be a part of India initially but India refused & British thought it was stupid too. And for good reasons. It is almost an enclave when considering India shares no land border & it is well inside Pak. For logical reasons the Indian government denied it thinking it was stupid - Pak annexed Balochistan (wrongly or rightfully we could argue but on the grounds that it was a Muslim majority state).

Hyderabad was annexed a year earlier & it had almost nothing to do with Kashmir. If you look @ the history behind Operation polo, read the history, India would never accept a state without Hyderabad for obvious reasons. Logistically, a Hindu state by a Muslim ruler which was enclave of India. It had no land or sea boundary connecting to Pak. The last thing India wanted was lukewarm or even mildly hostile independent nations with strong cultural ties with pak (there is still Muslim marriage between Hyd & pak). Prior to independence & Kashmir dispute, the annexation of Hyd was always planned as a last resort & India tried to reason with the Nizam.

But regardless of the fact if it was in retaliation to Kashmir or not, you can't have double policies. If you forcibly take Junagadh & Hyderabad because the population was Hindu, you can't take Kashmir up because the population is Muslim. You can't frame any ideology & excuse to take every state.

It is inhumane & unjust to think I will forcibly take Hindu states on religion but also not give up Muslim states who don't want to be a part of the union.

Also to add it goes against the very foundation of the freedom struggle & was a slap in the face. If you fight for freedom vs British, you have no right to enslave a part of the population.

If any1 looks @ the concept of India, during large parts Kerala & TN were not even part of India prior to British rule & many princely states including kashmir had their own history, culture & were never truly a part of India consistently as we know it.

There is no logical reason to deny the rights of Kashmiris. Even during Kashmir annexation, it was on the grounds that after protecting from pak, there will be a plebiscite in Kashmir to determine the future of Kashmir

Stop rambling.

Kashmiri's have been caught in the crossfire, Just like the Sikhs during the partition. Its really unfortunate and they don't deserve this.

Kashmir is past logic. Its all about strategic defense and India's survival, If you scroll up you can actually read that i've lived in Kashmir mate. The stories the villagers used to tell us haha, The media will never tell you guys.

Out of curiosity, what are these stories?

Its an amalgamation of stories about the Indian Army, Cross border terrorism, safety, protests and Pakistan that i kept on asking as a child after the Kargil War. This isn't a safe place to tell those stories obviously i could PM you if you want. Don't need people attacking me based on my background. I'd recommend ya lads going to Kashmir on your next visit and asking people you meet on your own the people.

Pakistan and India both have 0 rights over Kashmir, Kashmiris deserve to be free and they want to be independent. But it is how it is and its never going happen as the state touches Pakistan, Afghanistan, India and China. So people can shove their political, religious opinions based on the media and reading up their ass.

I know quite a few people who have lived and/or worked in Kashmir. Some of my dearest friends happen to be Kashmiri too. Would love to read your versions of stories too (PM if you feel safer that way).

Anyway, Kashmir is one of those issues which will never ever be resolved. Then again, that is true for many a border/region dispute globally. Nobody will want to be seen as giving an inch or backing down - and those egos, fuelled by (mostly false) sense of jingoistic national pride, are precisely the reason why the common man living in those regions have no choice but to accept the status quo and plod on without hope.

Sri wrote:Out of curiosity, what are these stories?

Since Nishankly is too PC to say it openly, ill say it.

It isnt about Kashmir. Many slogans in Kashmir isnt even about Kashmir. Its about taking Delhi. The initial Pakistan military plan was to take the Jammu & Kashmir and then delhi while the East Pakistan will attack from east along the gangetic regions which have decent muslim population to form a Mughalistan. Delhi is the heart of India and who ever taking it can rule india. Kashmiris are brainwashed by this idea of taking delhi and to take delhi first one need to take Jammu & Kashmir.

Obviously after India liberated East Pakistan as Bangladesh the Mughalistan concept ended but the Delhi obsession is still very much prevalent.

Na mate, The stories ive been told have nothing to do with Pakistani agenda outside Kashmir.
Those stories are purely based on the lives of the Muslim villagers. I've got stories regarding the apparent media Kashmiri agenda against the Indian Army both pros and cons, Pakistani influence in the villages and some official pelting lads as well as to why they pelt and what they do after pelting and riots. Its very deep.