Re: 2017/18 Summer Transfer Rumors Mk. I

by Kaladin Thu 17 Aug 2017 - 17:26

Costa claims he won't be returning to Chelsea and only wants Atletico [Sky]

Do contracts even matter at this point

by Hapless_Hans Thu 17 Aug 2017 - 18:06

Nishankly wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:Kloppo should get Barkley IMO

NO

Why not?

by Luca Thu 17 Aug 2017 - 18:27

ES wrote:Costa claims he won't be returning to Chelsea and only wants Atletico [Sky]

Do contracts even matter at this point

They do, but it comes down to business and sport. Handcuffing Costa diminishes the return Chelsea would get in a sale, sure they could sue him for breach of contract but again were looking at time and money versus sporting ability. Its usually not in a club's best interest to prolong such deals.

It really would only take one landmark case of a club going the distance legally to make life difficult for a player under contract to change things though. That's how the Bosman rule came after all.

by Kaladin Thu 17 Aug 2017 - 18:32

Though setting a precedent by taking this further would only benefit the clubs, in an era where player power reigns supreme, shouldn't this be sought after? After all, it is a legal obligation.

by Luca Thu 17 Aug 2017 - 19:29

ES wrote:Though setting a precedent by taking this further would only benefit the clubs, in an era where player power reigns supreme, shouldn't this be sought after? After all, it is a legal obligation.

I think that's a great question and to be honest, I think there are so many avenues to attack this from.

A club could take a player breaching contract to court, for example, for refusing to report to training or in a more severe case, refusing to play for said club.

Now lets say that a club is successful and it is a more severe case, the contract would in all likeliness be rescinded with the player being forced to pay damages but this is where it gets interesting.

How do you monetize damages? Lets say we have a player who helps the club win trophies, how do you put a number on that revenue? Lets say under contract, another club would pay 75M for him, how does a club benefit now from breaking the contract and having him then sign for free?

What I'm trying to get at, is it would be a difficult case to mount and it could very well take months, years to come to fruition. Guess what happens to that player's monetary value in that time, his sporting ability and his interest in pursuing such matters? They dwindle.

So, I think a more suitable solution is always just selling these cancerous players because beyond anything else its better for business. Another solution would be the club reporting a player refusing to play to UEFA who would then slam the ban hammer on such player basically giving them the option to report and play or be unable to sign for any UEFA regulated team for the duration of whatever is left on their contract.

by Casciavit Thu 17 Aug 2017 - 20:23

Luca wrote:
Casciavit wrote:Never once rated Matuidi as I don't rate donkeys. Shameful signing from lolventus. The CL final showed their issues. They lack calmness and control in possession, Matuidi is not the guy to bring it.

I can't recall this ever being our issue to be honest. Our issue was last season, when we switched to a two man midfield of Pjanic-Khedira, we didn't have the legs to get the ball back. Real just happened to be the first and only team to expose this and now Lazio last week, albeit in a much less meaningful match.

You couldn't hold the ball in Real's half, that's a fact. Every time you tried to hold possession you quickly lost it. This was a big problem because Juve lost the ball before they could organize themselves in Real's half to block potential counter attacks. So every time Juve lost the ball and tried to press to win it back, they failed because they were never in position to press properly. I specifically remember those moments because of the way your defense reacted.

They reacted by dropping much deeper leaving oceans of space between the midfield and defense in transitions, which Real exploited. I believe the first goal resulted from that (correct me if im wrong).

How many chances did Juve create that game? I don't recall a single clear cut chance. Your only goal came from a wonder goal.

You couldn't hold the ball at all, which made the team run more, which made the team tired. Allegri said the same thing after the CL final, I believe. That issue was made even worse considering Real had a 4v2 central advantage lmao.

As for your recent signings, I assume Allegri is going for a different approach. You discarded Alves and Bonucci, players who are both incredible on the ball, and replaced them with De Sciglio and...?

You also bought Matuidi, Costa, and Bernardeschi. The way I see it, Allegri is building a more defensive and structured lineup, and will be relying on individual quality in the final third more than he did in the past few seasons.

It's a different approach, and it's also easier to develop a team in that manner, but will it finally lead Juve to a CL? That I'm not sure.

by Luca Thu 17 Aug 2017 - 20:38

We had an equally difficult time winning the ball back when it was lost and another, larger issue is that Real Madrid would seemingly instantly bypass our thin midfield and end up right onto our back line and that's a more concerning problem.

We also played a midfield two of Pjanic and Khedira against Real Madrid's tremendous trio and Isco who comfortably drops back into the channels.

Anyways, a one of match in which we were horrendously outplayed by a team significantly better isn't really the one to go off of, in my opinion.

We have greatly improved our attacking options, we have the best attack we have fielded in the last 10 years quite comfortably. What we don't have in our line up is legs in the midfield.

I do see your point, but I also think you're underestimating Pjanic. He is that Pirlo/Xavi of our team. What I, and other Juve fans, are hoping is that a player like Matuidi can free up relieve the defensive pressure of Pjanic to allow him to conduct the team going forward.

Bonucci is not replaceable and to a degree, Alves isn't either in terms of quality replacements on the market but last season's ceiling was getting battered in the CL final with what, Mandzukic as our starting LW? A double pivot of Pjanic-Khedira? I'm sorry but Real Madrid deserve that victory 10 times out of 10 and we have to hold that L. The difference between our starting 11s that night is quite clear.

Now we have refreshed our attack, we have retained Sandro, Pjanic, Higuain and Dybala who make up our most important attacking players. Pjanic and Higuain will be entering their second seasons and should have a great understanding of Allegri's tactics. In addition to that, we have added Bernardeschi and Douglas Costa as new options to call upon, thus also improving the depth in our attack- in which last season we had absolutely none.

Basically, we had two options.
1. We build through the midfield in which the Matuidi signing is fine but another CM would be needed of the characteristics you described.

2. We build through the wings/attack- with nearly 100M spent on Bernardeschi and Costa, I think it's clear we went with this route. Our best 11 probably only has two CMs, one being Pjanic, the other has to be someone that can cover the space and get us the ball.

by Kaladin Fri 18 Aug 2017 - 0:19

46m for Davinson Sanchez

Is this real life

by Nishankly Fri 18 Aug 2017 - 2:52

Hapless_Hans wrote:
Nishankly wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:Kloppo should get Barkley IMO

NO

Why not?

Because he's inconsistent as hell and is regressing rather than improving at his age.

by CBarca Fri 18 Aug 2017 - 6:14

ES wrote:46m for Davinson Sanchez

Is this real life

Dude hasn't done anything lmao

The sad thing is with the Paulinho feal occurring, and the other fees being thrown around...it doesn't even seem like this is madness...which it is.

by Vlad the Impaler Fri 18 Aug 2017 - 13:22

vanDEEZ wrote:Can't you just sign Bale instead?

Bale doesn't want to leave and Real Madrid don't want to let him go. Mourinho said he wanted Bale but now it's over. Laughing

by Robespierre Fri 18 Aug 2017 - 17:35

Hoedt from Lazio to Southampton for 17 mln

Is there a EPL team that doesn't overpay scrub players ?

by Hapless_Hans Fri 18 Aug 2017 - 17:38

Football is proof that trickle down economy works :bow:

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri 18 Aug 2017 - 17:39

Robespierre wrote:Hoedt from Lazio to Southampton for 17 mln

Is there a EPL team that doesn't overpay scrub players ?

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by Hapless_Hans Fri 18 Aug 2017 - 17:39

Nishankly wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:
Nishankly wrote:

NO

Why not?

Because he's inconsistent as hell and is regressing rather than improving at his age.

I have not given up on the kid. I think he can still become a true weapon, and Klopp could be the guy to turn him into one.

by Robespierre Fri 18 Aug 2017 - 17:41

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
Robespierre wrote:Hoedt from Lazio to Southampton for 17 mln

Is there a EPL team that doesn't overpay scrub players ?

Fantastic man .
NUFC 'd need of David Santon back imo.

by Kaladin Fri 18 Aug 2017 - 17:41

Its unreal Robes, i mean 45m for Sigurdsson? 46m for Davinson Sanchez?

This is a new level of retardedness, i still can't believe these players are going for that much, gives me hope we can offload Niang for 55m

by Robespierre Fri 18 Aug 2017 - 17:42

I can't imagine Everton to give him to Liverpool though hmm

by Robespierre Fri 18 Aug 2017 - 17:43

ES wrote:Its unreal Robes, i mean 45m for Sigurdsson? 46m for Davinson Sanchez?

This is a new level of retardedness, i still can't believe these players are going for that much, gives me hope we can offload Niang for 55m

Still I remember when Inter were going to get much money for Ranocchia from Norwich but he refused it (:

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri 18 Aug 2017 - 17:48

We are the only club in the PL who haven't broken our transfer record since the TV money came in lmao.

Also our net spend over a decade is like -4m lmao.

Angers me just thinking about it.

by Hapless_Hans Fri 18 Aug 2017 - 17:54

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:We are the only club in the PL who haven't broken our transfer record since the TV money came in lmao.

Also our net spend over a decade is like -4m lmao.

Angers me just thinking about it.

Well your board clearly learned their lesson and know what they're doing, because last time you went on a spending spree, top 5 biggest net spenders in the whole world or whatever it was, you ended up relegated.

by sportsczy Fri 18 Aug 2017 - 17:54

https://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Blaise-matuidi-quitte-le-psg-pour-la-juventus-turin/826646

Matuidi to Juve confirmed. 20 mil up front + 10.5 mil in bonuses.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri 18 Aug 2017 - 18:03

Hapless_Hans wrote:
Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:We are the only club in the PL who haven't broken our transfer record since the TV money came in lmao.

Also our net spend over a decade is like -4m lmao.

Angers me just thinking about it.

Well your board clearly learned their lesson and know what they're doing, because last time you went on a spending spree, top 5 biggest net spenders in the whole world or whatever it was, you ended up relegated.

Aye because that's the reason we were relegated Rolling Eyes

Please stop talking about something you have no clue about.

by sportsczy Fri 18 Aug 2017 - 18:05

Time for Newcastle to dive into the Ligue 1 dumpster pile once again Laughing

by Casciavit Fri 18 Aug 2017 - 18:29

Mansour telling ManCity fans to be patient because they'll soon be involved in the biggest transfer in the history of football. (beIN Sports)

Can someone confirm if there's a legit source behind this? Laughing

by Hapless_Hans Fri 18 Aug 2017 - 18:30

Et tu, Messi?

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