Re: Fabio Capello

by white_star Wed 3 Aug - 21:04:46

Need a coach like Hiddink!! Good international teams coach!

by Sushi Master Wed 3 Aug - 21:08:05

wigglesworth wrote:
GoonerJay29 wrote:
deezydeez wrote:lets wait and see if england does any better with out capello

We've actually done better under Erikson than under Capello.

Of course, didn't he have the "golden generation" in its prime.

This generation is actually better than that "golden generation". That was indeed a tactically sterile side.

by Abramovich Wed 3 Aug - 21:31:35

wigglesworth wrote:

And you do know, like all the past managers. Capello is doing as well as the quality of the players he has. Just get it through your head, that there aren't that many quality players in England. Owen is not top tier internationally, he is a good player only, and he is the best England has. Qualifying for the Euros is not an easy thing for England, and Capello will get it done.

lmao your so

Fabio Capello - Page 2 Timmy

by Magricos Wed 3 Aug - 21:35:51

Immaculate_Mole wrote:
wigglesworth wrote:
Immaculate_Mole wrote:
Doc wrote:
Immaculate_Mole wrote:
The Madrid One wrote:why do u like to frak with capello so much?

Because i have more tactical flexability

He has more titles though...

Granted, but hes a stubborn S.O.B who really does'nt have a clue what tactics this england team needs.

And you do know, like all the past managers. Capello is doing as well as the quality of the players he has. Just get it through your head, that there aren't that many quality players in England. Owen is not top tier internationally, he is a good player only, and he is the best England has. Qualifying for the Euros is not an easy thing for England, and Capello will get it done.

Owen has'nt played for England since Capello took over btw

And iam aware of Capello's record one of the best club managers i have seen in my lifetime, hes just not cut out for international management imo.

England has quality, not quality of top 5 teams but quality none the less and the main problem is the managers of England and this includes before Capello dont seem to understand what tactics and formation fits the players that England have.

What tatics would have been good for England in the past ?

by wigglesworth Wed 3 Aug - 21:38:35

Sushi Master wrote:
wigglesworth wrote:
GoonerJay29 wrote:
deezydeez wrote:lets wait and see if england does any better with out capello

We've actually done better under Erikson than under Capello.

Of course, didn't he have the "golden generation" in its prime.
This generation is actually better than that "golden generation". .

You have to be kidding.

Michael Owen
Steven Gerrard
Frank Lampard
David Beckham
Rio Ferdinand
Paul Scholes
Wayne Rooney
John Terry
Ashley Cole
Sol Campbell
Joe Cole
Owen Hargreaves
Emile Heskey

by Magricos Wed 3 Aug - 21:42:36

I just remember Seaman flopping an R10 freekick.

by REWB Wed 3 Aug - 21:48:00

wigglesworth wrote:
Sushi Master wrote:
wigglesworth wrote:
GoonerJay29 wrote:
deezydeez wrote:lets wait and see if england does any better with out capello

We've actually done better under Erikson than under Capello.

Of course, didn't he have the "golden generation" in its prime.
This generation is actually better than that "golden generation". .

You have to be kidding.

Michael Owen
Steven Gerrard
Frank Lampard
David Beckham
Rio Ferdinand
Paul Scholes
Wayne Rooney
John Terry
Ashley Cole
Sol Campbell
Joe Cole
Owen Hargreaves
Emile Heskey

the future england team.

.................hart

richards smalling jones gibbs

..............rodwell
.......wilshere ....mcrechen

walcott....rooney....sturigde

the most technically gifted English side since the euro 96 side

by Sushi Master Wed 3 Aug - 21:49:25

wigglesworth wrote:
Sushi Master wrote:
wigglesworth wrote:
GoonerJay29 wrote:
deezydeez wrote:lets wait and see if england does any better with out capello

We've actually done better under Erikson than under Capello.

Of course, didn't he have the "golden generation" in its prime.
This generation is actually better than that "golden generation". .

You have to be kidding.

Michael Owen
Steven Gerrard
Frank Lampard
David Beckham
Rio Ferdinand
Paul Scholes
Wayne Rooney
John Terry
Ashley Cole
Sol Campbell
Joe Cole
Owen Hargreaves
Emile Heskey

Heskey? Come on.

What I mean, is that this generation has much better potential. And most of all, most of the players possess some sort of technical ability, so they won't just play typical English hoofball. They'll be able to be tactically varied and have some sort of style. I'm not saying they'll be Italy or Spain, but at least play better than that put me to sleep style they have going on right now.

Wilshere
McEachran
Sturridge
Young
Johnson
Hart
Rooney
Walcott
Jones
Smalling
Baines
Gibbs
Richards
Rodwell
Henderson
Kelly
Spearing

etc. many more I'm sure other posters will fill in.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed 3 Aug - 21:50:34

RedEyesWhiteBeard wrote:
wigglesworth wrote:
Sushi Master wrote:
wigglesworth wrote:
GoonerJay29 wrote:
deezydeez wrote:lets wait and see if england does any better with out capello

We've actually done better under Erikson than under Capello.

Of course, didn't he have the "golden generation" in its prime.
This generation is actually better than that "golden generation". .

You have to be kidding.

Michael Owen
Steven Gerrard
Frank Lampard
David Beckham
Rio Ferdinand
Paul Scholes
Wayne Rooney
John Terry
Ashley Cole
Sol Campbell
Joe Cole
Owen Hargreaves
Emile Heskey

the future england team.

.................hart

richards smalling jones gibbs

..............rodwell
.......wilshere ....mcrechen

walcott....rooney....sturigde

the most technically gifted English side since the euro 96 side

Would rather have Johnson to Walcott and Walker to Richards but your point still remains.....

Rodwell and Gibb's are definite weak spots though.

by VanDeezNuts Wed 3 Aug - 21:57:25

i think this is exactly the point..

lots of aging 'golden age' players, and a lot of youngsters.. the current team doesnt really fit a style of play capello cant take all the blame

or is it his fault most of his best players are past their prime?

by REWB Wed 3 Aug - 21:57:59

Immaculate_Mole wrote:
RedEyesWhiteBeard wrote:
wigglesworth wrote:
Sushi Master wrote:
wigglesworth wrote:
GoonerJay29 wrote:
deezydeez wrote:lets wait and see if england does any better with out capello

We've actually done better under Erikson than under Capello.

Of course, didn't he have the "golden generation" in its prime.
This generation is actually better than that "golden generation". .

You have to be kidding.

Michael Owen
Steven Gerrard
Frank Lampard
David Beckham
Rio Ferdinand
Paul Scholes
Wayne Rooney
John Terry
Ashley Cole
Sol Campbell
Joe Cole
Owen Hargreaves
Emile Heskey

the future england team.

.................hart

richards smalling jones gibbs

..............rodwell
.......wilshere ....mcrechen

walcott....rooney....sturigde

the most technically gifted English side since the euro 96 side

Would rather have Johnson to Walcott and Walker to Richards but your point still remains.....

Rodwell and Gibb's are definite weak spots though.

im talking about the future, brazil 14, which is what England is working towards. gibbs and rodwell have got huge potential especially gibbs if he keeps on improving with arsenal, id say he is just as good as Ashley going forward but needs to improve a lot defensively which he can. and johnson is not better then walcott, he is vastly overrated to people who havnt seem him consistently like i have. why do you think he cant get into the man city side or england side, there is a reason and i know why.

by windkick Wed 3 Aug - 22:02:40

Sushi Master wrote:
wigglesworth wrote:
Sushi Master wrote:
wigglesworth wrote:
GoonerJay29 wrote:
deezydeez wrote:lets wait and see if england does any better with out capello

We've actually done better under Erikson than under Capello.

Of course, didn't he have the "golden generation" in its prime.
This generation is actually better than that "golden generation". .

You have to be kidding.

Michael Owen
Steven Gerrard
Frank Lampard
David Beckham
Rio Ferdinand
Paul Scholes
Wayne Rooney
John Terry
Ashley Cole
Sol Campbell
Joe Cole
Owen Hargreaves
Emile Heskey
Heskey? Come on.

What I mean, is that this generation has much better potential. And most of all, most of the players possess some sort of technical ability, so they won't just play typical English hoofball. They'll be able to be tactically varied and have some sort of style. I'm not saying they'll be Italy or Spain, but at least play better than that put me to sleep style they have going on right now.

Wilshere
McEachran
Sturridge
Young
Johnson
Hart
Rooney
Walcott
Jones
Smalling
Baines
Gibbs
Richards
Rodwell
Henderson
Kelly
Spearing

etc. many more I'm sure other posters will fill in.

The Golden Generation > The "Potential" Generation

Until that potential is met, you can't say it's better than an already proven Generation.

by REWB Wed 3 Aug - 22:02:59

in fact, walcott is so underrated on this forum, people on this forum dont know shit about what walcott does for arsenal do they? when he doesn't play, we miss him so much, he is one of the first names on all our team sheets for a reason.

by REWB Wed 3 Aug - 22:03:44

windkick wrote:
Sushi Master wrote:
wigglesworth wrote:
Sushi Master wrote:
wigglesworth wrote:
GoonerJay29 wrote:
deezydeez wrote:lets wait and see if england does any better with out capello

We've actually done better under Erikson than under Capello.

Of course, didn't he have the "golden generation" in its prime.
This generation is actually better than that "golden generation". .

You have to be kidding.

Michael Owen
Steven Gerrard
Frank Lampard
David Beckham
Rio Ferdinand
Paul Scholes
Wayne Rooney
John Terry
Ashley Cole
Sol Campbell
Joe Cole
Owen Hargreaves
Emile Heskey
Heskey? Come on.

What I mean, is that this generation has much better potential. And most of all, most of the players possess some sort of technical ability, so they won't just play typical English hoofball. They'll be able to be tactically varied and have some sort of style. I'm not saying they'll be Italy or Spain, but at least play better than that put me to sleep style they have going on right now.

Wilshere
McEachran
Sturridge
Young
Johnson
Hart
Rooney
Walcott
Jones
Smalling
Baines
Gibbs
Richards
Rodwell
Henderson
Kelly
Spearing

etc. many more I'm sure other posters will fill in.

The Golden Generation > The "Potential" Generation

Until that potential is met, you can't say it's better than an already proven Generation.

FAIL, what have they proven in the international stage....?

by justdoit_ Wed 3 Aug - 22:03:57

A tad off-topic, but Jack Rodwell has got to be the most overrated human being in the world right now.

by REWB Wed 3 Aug - 22:07:18

justdoit_ wrote:A tad off-topic, but Jack Rodwell has got to be the most overrated human being in the world right now.

he had one poor season last year, dude how the frakk is he overrated? no one is saying he is the finished product, we are just saying he has the potential.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed 3 Aug - 22:08:39

RedEyesWhiteBeard wrote:
Immaculate_Mole wrote:
RedEyesWhiteBeard wrote:
wigglesworth wrote:
Sushi Master wrote:
wigglesworth wrote:
GoonerJay29 wrote:
deezydeez wrote:lets wait and see if england does any better with out capello

We've actually done better under Erikson than under Capello.

Of course, didn't he have the "golden generation" in its prime.
This generation is actually better than that "golden generation". .

You have to be kidding.

Michael Owen
Steven Gerrard
Frank Lampard
David Beckham
Rio Ferdinand
Paul Scholes
Wayne Rooney
John Terry
Ashley Cole
Sol Campbell
Joe Cole
Owen Hargreaves
Emile Heskey

the future england team.

.................hart

richards smalling jones gibbs

..............rodwell
.......wilshere ....mcrechen

walcott....rooney....sturigde

the most technically gifted English side since the euro 96 side

Would rather have Johnson to Walcott and Walker to Richards but your point still remains.....

Rodwell and Gibb's are definite weak spots though.

im talking about the future, brazil 14, which is what England is working towards. gibbs and rodwell have got huge potential especially gibbs if he keeps on improving with arsenal, id say he is just as good as Ashley going forward but needs to improve a lot defensively which he can. and johnson is not better then walcott, he is vastly overrated to people who havnt seem him consistently like i have. why do you think he cant get into the man city side or england side, there is a reason and i know why.

Played 31 games out of 38 leagues despite being out for nearly for 2 months :coffee:

The fact he did'nt play is a myth in no way is he overrated and Rodwell is living off the goal against Man Utd he has been average since then the fact he could'nt even get into the Everton team half the time shows this.

Gibb's has potential but needs drastic improvements in his defending.

Ofcourse we are talking about potential but even in 2014 i dont see Rodwell being good enough, he is extremely overrated typical english youngster.

by Magricos Wed 3 Aug - 22:08:46

This potential generation is overrated.

by DeviAngel Wed 3 Aug - 22:12:38

Capello is not for England and EPL football ...he should have stayed in Italy or in RM ...he was one beast of a manager thou ....btw next yr he will be returning as Juve director ....

by justdoit_ Wed 3 Aug - 22:12:57

RedEyesWhiteBeard wrote:
justdoit_ wrote:A tad off-topic, but Jack Rodwell has got to be the most overrated human being in the world right now.

he had one poor season last year, dude how the frakk is he overrated? no one is saying he is the finished product, we are just saying he has the potential.

Well, a starting role at Everton might start to impress me...

Or even a starting role in England's mediocre U-21's...

by Arquitecto Wed 3 Aug - 22:13:54

What an absolute joke calling Capello a joke as I'm guessing most of you have no clue what an absolute legend he actually is.

I guess its Capello's fault England's national team had the Chelsea crew (Terry, Lampard, Cole) making a separate group from the rest and John terry PUBLICLY criticizing Capello to give his teammates even more faith.

Take a look at the WC matchs, the players were barking at each and unwilling to set aside their own egos. Plus, the squad simply wasn't good enough as well.

the future england team.

.................hart

richards smalling jones gibbs

..............rodwell
.......wilshere ....mcrechen

walcott....rooney....sturigde

Funniest thing ever.

So I guess Joe Hart is better then Seaman. LOL

Micah Richards? He's trash as someone should tell him this is football and not american football. Gary Neville is and always will be twice the player he is.

Smalling? Has he even proven anything to show he'll surpass Ferdinand? Not enough. Good potential, but long way to go.

Jones? Same. Until he reaches the legendary level of Carra, Terry and Campbell, he is just a nobody. Don't kid yourself.

Gibbs? Yea, if he stops getting injured. Ashley cole is one hell of a milestone.

Rodwell? Just potential once again and has a long way before he reaches Hargreaves' former level.

McEacheran? great potential but Chelsea fans here hype him to death as once again.... long way to go before reaching Chelsea's best ever player (lampard) and his level.

Wilshere? Compare him to lamps or gerrard but is simply going to have to perform better to reach the former's level and effectiveness.

I don't even have to mention Paul Scholes cause like Gerrard and lamps, no one here compares to them and when they were in at there best.

Walcott? He'll have to put more consistency and variety in his bag to call himself WC.

The rest? Rooney hasnt done squat for International and especially compared to Micheal Owen who rooney is yet to surpass on a career basis and international.

Sturridge..... LOL. Lets see him perform in a big team and the big stage. Carroll is simply better then him and should have been included instead.

Why am I even sugar coating these words?

This generation isn't jack shit compared to the previous as I even left Beckham and J.Cole out ffs.

Previous generation>>> Then this..

by Sushi Master Wed 3 Aug - 22:15:38

I don't think we're saying the new English generation will shatter records and school Spain.

But it will be an IMPROVEMENT over the slow assed borefest the "Golden Generation" was. A new manager is needed for it, though.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed 3 Aug - 22:26:04

Sushi Master wrote:I don't think we're saying the new English generation will shatter records and school Spain.

But it will be an IMPROVEMENT over the slow assed borefest the "Golden Generation" was. A new manager is needed for it, though.

This and Capello is crap for England because he has no clue tactically what suit's the england players or what players to pick.

I quite frankly dont care if you think i know nothing, its just a fact that has been made abundantly clear in his tenure in charge.

Rooney and Heskey upfront, Barry and Lampard in midfield and Gerrard on the left and Adam Johnson not even in the squad.

LOL.

by Gil Wed 3 Aug - 22:29:13

Arquitecto wrote:

Yeah I agree the "Golden Generation" was much better than this current one. The two Coles, Lampard, Gerrard, Scholes, Neville, Terry, Ferdinand, Owen, Rooney, Campbell, King, Beckham etc etc

Sadly, Eriksson failed to get the best out of all three of our mdfield maestros at the time. Gerrard, Lampard & Scholes etc all three weren't played in their best positions.

Player for player it'll be a while we produce a generation like that but I think the next batch of youngsters we have coming through are much better than the previous generation on a technical level. Especially when being compared collectively.

McEachran, Sturridge and Wilshere are as good as anything in their age group. The likes of Smalling, Phil Jones, Welbeck, Albrighton etc will all go on to be very good players as well.

Sturridge is already the 2nd best English forward in the country.

by Abramovich Wed 3 Aug - 22:37:56

Immaculate_Mole wrote:

This and Capello is crap for England because he has no clue tactically what suit's the england players or what players to pick.

I quite frankly dont care if you think i know nothing, its just a fact that has been made abundantly clear in his tenure in charge.

Rooney and Heskey upfront, Barry and Lampard in midfield and Gerrard on the left and Adam Johnson not even in the squad.

LOL.

That was disgusting.

by REWB Wed 3 Aug - 22:40:54

Arquitecto wrote:What an absolute joke calling Capello a joke as I'm guessing most of you have no clue what an absolute legend he actually is.

I guess its Capello's fault England's national team had the Chelsea crew (Terry, Lampard, Cole) making a separate group from the rest and John terry PUBLICLY criticizing Capello to give his teammates even more faith.

Take a look at the WC matchs, the players were barking at each and unwilling to set aside their own egos. Plus, the squad simply wasn't good enough as well.

the future england team.

.................hart

richards smalling jones gibbs

..............rodwell
.......wilshere ....mcrechen

walcott....rooney....sturigde

Funniest thing ever.

So I guess Joe Hart is better then Seaman. LOL

Micah Richards? He's trash as someone should tell him this is football and not american football. Gary Neville is and always will be twice the player he is.

Smalling? Has he even proven anything to show he'll surpass Ferdinand? Not enough. Good potential, but long way to go.

Jones? Same. Until he reaches the legendary level of Carra, Terry and Campbell, he is just a nobody. Don't kid yourself.

Gibbs? Yea, if he stops getting injured. Ashley cole is one hell of a milestone.

Rodwell? Just potential once again and has a long way before he reaches Hargreaves' former level.

McEacheran? great potential but Chelsea fans here hype him to death as once again.... long way to go before reaching Chelsea's best ever player (lampard) and his level.

Wilshere? Compare him to lamps or gerrard but is simply going to have to perform better to reach the former's level and effectiveness.

I don't even have to mention Paul Scholes cause like Gerrard and lamps, no one here compares to them and when they were in at there best.

Walcott? He'll have to put more consistency and variety in his bag to call himself WC.

The rest? Rooney hasnt done squat for International and especially compared to Micheal Owen who rooney is yet to surpass on a career basis and international.

Sturridge..... LOL. Lets see him perform in a big team and the big stage. Carroll is simply better then him and should have been included instead.

Why am I even sugar coating these words?

This generation isn't jack shit compared to the previous as I even left Beckham and J.Cole out ffs.

Previous generation>>> Then this..

what the frakkkkk bounce

dude, we are talking about potential you do know this right?

you say the team isn't good enough at the top, yet at the bottom half of your comment you talk about the golden generation as if they were football gods.

-hart doesnt have to be as good as seamun or compared to him, this guy is close if not world class already, he is on de gea level in terms of potential, and if you cant see that YOU SIMPLY HAVEN'T WATCH HIM.

-smalling can be as good a ferdinand, ask any man utd fan they will tell you

-jones can be BETTER then terry, if you have watched him you would know that he is like a carbon copy of terry defensively, that is actually better on the ball. not better yet but will be

-gibbs has a long way to go but can be as good a.cole. you mentioned he needs to become less injury prone...wtf dude that comes with age, messi used to be injury prone...

-richards is underrated and a good player, there is a reason why city is not after a rb. he has improved alot and you are just hating on him same as every other anti english poster on this forum.

-rodwell had a bad season last year but that doesnt mean he hasnt got the potential ive seen him play a lot and when he is at his best you can see that he is going to be a decent player.

-wilshere has the potential to reach gerrad/lampard status and with better technique aswell. he has already proved it with some of his performances and again HE IS YOUNG and has time.

-mcrachen is unproven but anyone who has seen him will know how technically gifted he is.

-walcott is proven in the epl same as rooney in the CL and sturidge with bolten, they have all proven to be very talented.

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