Did Zidane Flop?

Lord Hispano wrote:I think that goes for any player. Even the past legends.

We always hear about Pele and Maradona's WC's and whatnot, but you never get to hear about their failiures since most people who talk about tham here have never actually seen either.

sportsczy wrote:I saw Maradona, Platini, Zico, Zidane, Batigol, etc... i'm older than most here.

Immaculate_Mole wrote:

Lord Hispano wrote:I think that goes for any player. Even the past legends.

We always hear about Pele and Maradona's WC's and whatnot, but you never get to hear about their failiures since most people who talk about tham here have never actually seen either.

Yh that's true it just shows they are human lol as being consistently great like that is impossible and usually the WC successes are overblown because they are viewed by billions of people so people remember it and usually overshadow club failures.....

free_cat wrote:Zidane, the most overated player ever. Yes, he flopped. But people prefer not to remember that and only remember the latter part part of his career were he was lucky to score some of his very few goals in finals.

Magricos wrote:

free_cat wrote:Zidane, the most overated player ever. Yes, he flopped. But people prefer not to remember that and only remember the latter part part of his career were he was lucky to score some of his very few goals in finals.

Did you see the 98 CL final ? :lol!:

Swagg_Johnson wrote:

sportsczy wrote:I saw Maradona, Platini, Zico, Zidane, Batigol, etc... i'm older than most here.

Who was better out of Platini, Zico or Zidane in your opinion?

Batigol was a striker, and I'm assuming Maradona was better than all of them..

sportsczy wrote:I saw Maradona, Platini, Zico, Zidane, Batigol, etc... i'm older than most here.

Here's the thing with the truly greats. Did they have lesser performances here and there? Sure. But they were truly rare occasions and it was only compared to the massive standards they set for themselves. There's never a loss that i could truly blame on any of these players. It was just football and you lose some.

What made them great was that they won at every club and NT level they participated in. Their teams were always among the best and, when they were sold or retired, it was a loss that the teams couldn't recover from for a bit (some for a very long time).

Zidane didn't flop in '97 finals. Paul Lambert was assigned to follow him all over the field and he would get double-teamed if he ever received the ball. Di Livio and Deschamps weren't able to pick up the slack to make the opponent pay. Dortmund scored 2 goals in 5 mins in the first half and then played very defensive obviously. In the end, it was a team flop and great tactics + efficiency from Dortmund (Riedl was great). It was Zidane's first year at Juve.

In 1998, it was a very good CL final. In fact the goal was offsides... but that's another story. Both sides were wasteful and it could have gone either way. Plenty of offense.

And of course, France won the 1998 world cup.

harhar11 wrote:

sportsczy wrote:I saw Maradona, Platini, Zico, Zidane, Batigol, etc... i'm older than most here.

Here's the thing with the truly greats. Did they have lesser performances here and there? Sure. But they were truly rare occasions and it was only compared to the massive standards they set for themselves. There's never a loss that i could truly blame on any of these players. It was just football and you lose some.

What made them great was that they won at every club and NT level they participated in. Their teams were always among the best and, when they were sold or retired, it was a loss that the teams couldn't recover from for a bit (some for a very long time).

Zidane didn't flop in '97 finals. Paul Lambert was assigned to follow him all over the field and he would get double-teamed if he ever received the ball. Di Livio and Deschamps weren't able to pick up the slack to make the opponent pay. Dortmund scored 2 goals in 5 mins in the first half and then played very defensive obviously. In the end, it was a team flop and great tactics + efficiency from Dortmund (Riedl was great). It was Zidane's first year at Juve.

In 1998, it was a very good CL final. In fact the goal was offsides... but that's another story. Both sides were wasteful and it could have gone either way. Plenty of offense.

And of course, France won the 1998 world cup.

So exactly the same as when messi plays bad for arg and yet people say that messi is a flop while you are saying that zidane didn't in that game..

The xcx wrote:

harhar11 wrote:

sportsczy wrote:I saw Maradona, Platini, Zico, Zidane, Batigol, etc... i'm older than most here.

Here's the thing with the truly greats. Did they have lesser performances here and there? Sure. But they were truly rare occasions and it was only compared to the massive standards they set for themselves. There's never a loss that i could truly blame on any of these players. It was just football and you lose some.

What made them great was that they won at every club and NT level they participated in. Their teams were always among the best and, when they were sold or retired, it was a loss that the teams couldn't recover from for a bit (some for a very long time).

Zidane didn't flop in '97 finals. Paul Lambert was assigned to follow him all over the field and he would get double-teamed if he ever received the ball. Di Livio and Deschamps weren't able to pick up the slack to make the opponent pay. Dortmund scored 2 goals in 5 mins in the first half and then played very defensive obviously. In the end, it was a team flop and great tactics + efficiency from Dortmund (Riedl was great). It was Zidane's first year at Juve.

In 1998, it was a very good CL final. In fact the goal was offsides... but that's another story. Both sides were wasteful and it could have gone either way. Plenty of offense.

And of course, France won the 1998 world cup.

So exactly the same as when messi plays bad for arg and yet people say that messi is a flop while you are saying that zidane didn't in that game..

Difference is that Messi has flopped in NT for years.

sportsczy wrote:

Swagg_Johnson wrote:

sportsczy wrote:I saw Maradona, Platini, Zico, Zidane, Batigol, etc... i'm older than most here.

Who was better out of Platini, Zico or Zidane in your opinion?

Batigol was a striker, and I'm assuming Maradona was better than all of them..

From 1976-1982, Zico was the best there was in the world. From 1982-1986 Platini dominated and completely outclassed Maradona. When Argentina won the WC in 1986 and Platini basically fell apart physically (retired in 1987), Maradona took over.

Zidane dominated longer than all of them as he was a mover and shaker in elite football from 1997-2006. The other guys had 4-5 year runs basically... although i'll caveat this that Zico was mostly in the Brazil league which was the best in the world in the 70s. So maybe it's just ignorance on my part here.

Technically, Zico was the best actually imo... but he didn't have a lot of success on the world stage because Brazil underachieved. Maradona was right behind him technically. Best field general was Platini without a question. Zidane was a combo field general and technical genius. I think the impact on his team combined with his individual genius made him the best footballer out of all of them.

Don't underrate Zico though. He was insane. I put him right there with Pele and Garrincha in terms of ability. He was better than R9, Romario and Rivelino.

Lord Spencer wrote:@ChollaVille;

Did you actually watch Zidane play?


I am sure that we would not be able to accurately sum Zidane up until the sentimentality associated with him is gone. Both negative and positive sentimentality mind you.