Cristiano Ronaldo-the most overrated player of all time?

Killer wrote:from Twitter: Cristiano Ronaldo has scored 70% of his goals at Real Madrid with just the one-touch (this total includes free kicks and penalties).

Why did you quote yourself lmao?

Wait.. One touch scoring is bad now? Dude, have you ever played football?

Killer wrote:I think that Real should sell him and buy Suarez, Hazard and Pogba.

is the only way that Real can win La Decima

Thimmy wrote:

Killer wrote:I think that Real should sell him and buy Suarez, Hazard and Pogba.

is the only way that Real can win La Decima

Have you seen that one touch headed goal yesterday ?

Cristiano footballing ability is limited when you compare him to a magician like messi or ibra . I don't understand why this point is so hard for some football fans to understand . Yes Cristiano has become a better goal stad padder than messi over the past year .

Ronaldo is a complete footballer. He can do it all. He has less quality than Ibra and Messi in the playmaking aspect but he is better than them in other so it goes both ways

I don't think any Barca fans would want to swap Ronaldo and Messi and no Madrid fan would either. Both are legends for their Clubs, that's quite a feat in itself

sree999 wrote: Cristiano footballing ability is limited when you compare him to a magician like messi or ibra . I don't understand why this point is so hard for some football fans to understand . Yes Cristiano has become a better goal stad padder than messi over the past year .

Coming from someone who can't even do 10 push ups

CR has nothing to envy from any footballer on the planet (Messi and Ibra included), his skill set as a footballer is absolutely complete. Anything else is just aesthetic preference.

Cristiano is twice the athlete ibra and messi are combined. cristiano can eat mcdonalds all day and still be fast. messi and ibra always have to train to be match fit. see what i did there? Theres the talent argument

Cristiano has been playing well, hasn't been selfish for the most part.. If he continues to cut out the selfishness from his game I won't have any problems with him

@sree999

Your post was reported as trolling, and while I'd be inclined to support your view in the General Section, this is the Real Madrid section where you should tread more lightly where RM players are concerned. So please take your post into the GenSec, there it would be okay - here it is in the wrong section.

years have passed my friends. i hope you see why i made this thread now. now that real and barca are not topping the table 20 points ahead of the 3rd team with 60 more goals scored, we *magically* see that cristiano's goal count has become comparable to any other top striker in the league, or other leagues for that matter. the reason for his inflated goal count was a high number of non important goals, usually against weaker teams, as he was given all the passes and the team played for him, and that team utterly dominated their league in an unprecedented manner for many years in a row.

however, i have to give him credit. after his first 2 seasons, he did begin to become more of a team player, although at times he certainly did turn back into the "give me the ball at all costs so i can score the 4-0 and 5-0 and increase my goal tally" player we was throughout his entire first 2 seasons at madrid. also, at that point in time, he started also scoring against top teams (although he still scores much more against the weaker teams, relatively speaking).

the times of 40 goals a season in the league are over. he will never be able to do it again in a top league. also, i believe he will burn at out 33/34. i know player fitness is very good in this generation, but after so many years of putting so much effort in every game in order to improve his goal tally, he will burn out. there is no way he will play in 2022. euro 2020 will be his last tournament. he will stay at madrid for 2 more seasons. then he might go back for 1-2 seasons to man united and then he will go to qatar for 2-3 years.

the only time he scored crazy amounts was when his team scored crazy amounts. when your team scores 120 and the 3rd place team scores 60, and the team plays for you, its not impossible to get 45 goals. its impressive but it doesnt necessarily make you an all time great, it just means you are a lethal in form striker. all time greats would score more than 45 under such scenarios. lewa, batistuta, r9 could have probably scored 55. so my point is not to hate on cristiano. he is a top 5 attacking player for his generation (which is the weakest generation), but this does not put him into the all time top 10 for attacking players, as many people erroneously believe.

This is still stupid. Ronaldo is in his thirties and all of a sudden he's "magically" never good enough for us.

And now you're trying to say I told you so, basically comparing a prime CR with a broken, perma injured CR whos much older.

Every player scores alot when their team scores alot.. what the hell are you on about?

He's mediocre now but rewriting history seems to be GL's thing these days
We could have done alot worse then CR. And blaming him for the manager and the president not having the balls to discipline him properly is dumb. we still won a CL, a la liga, and a copa with his help among others.

Sure his selfishness and bad team attitiude hurts us, and i know it hurts us alot. But he still played well with us. Goals are goals and assists are assists, when you actually compare his amount of "important" goals to top players its nearly the same.


At this moment in time, however, he better shape up under zidane or gtfo forever. His legacy at madrid was ruined by his primadona and disgusting attitude. I just can't stand players who are all about the "me, me, me"... i thought he turned a corner during carlos first season but nope, nothing

FennecFox7 wrote:This is still stupid. Ronaldo is in his thirties and all of a sudden he's "magically" never good enough for us.

And now you're trying to say I told you so, basically comparing a prime CR with a broken, perma injured CR whos much older.

Every player scores alot when their team scores alot.. what the hell are you on about?

He's mediocre now but rewriting history seems to be GL's thing these days

he is "in his 30s?" he just turned 30. dont blame it on the age. after 30 attackers lose speed but they make it up by boosting other aspects of their game. so until 32 they are still in top form. the problem with cristiano is that he will refuse to be a passer. someone like messi will play well until his mid/late 30s because he will switch to attacking mid. but i dont see cristiano doing that.

every player scores a lot when their team scores a lot... this is exactly my point. it wasnt cristianos "magic" that inflated his goal count, it was the team. again, i never said he was not a lethal striker for us during those years, i just said it is foolish to say that he is a top 10 all time attacking player just because of his numbers.

I kind of agree with that... it's not like Ronaldo being here boosted our overall scoring totals as a team. He just demanded to eat a bigger piece of the existing pie... he didn't make the pie bigger.

I kind of disagree with you on that point. It's true, Ronaldo took the lion's share. But it's not like they rolled the dice and decided Ronaldo should take it. The guy made his presence felt with his terrific scoring ability. It's true that now he's no longer the player he once was, but from 2009-2014, he was an absolute monster.

Numbers are misleading, that's why I rarely ever use them as an argument. But I'm pretty sure only the best players of their generations can score 330+ goals in 6 seasons.

I believe now he's become a liability for us. But in his prime he was a beast. And I'm pretty sure nobody in the distant future will be able to replicate those insane numbers for Real Madrid no matter how many shots they have.

Overrated, sure. But you are making him out to be a scrub. His deficiencies have been well documented here, but by the sheer volume of goals he has scored he will go down as one of the greats. IMO, not legend status but indeed great. He and Messi have been quite a level above everyone else except for this past year.

The Demon of Carthage wrote:I kind of disagree with you on that point. It's true, Ronaldo took the lion's share. But it's not like they rolled the dice and decided Ronaldo should take it. The guy made his presence felt with his terrific scoring ability. It's true that now he's no longer the player he once was, but from 2009-2014, he was an absolute monster.

Numbers are misleading, that's why I rarely ever use them as an argument. But I'm pretty sure only the best players of their generations can score 330+ goals in 6 seasons.

I believe now he's become a liability for us. But in his prime he was a beast. And I'm pretty sure nobody in the distant future will be able to replicate those insane numbers for Real Madrid no matter how many shots they have.  

this is what am i taking about with hype on this forum, all of that is just..., cr style of playing has mostly been crap and shooting the ball, something he clearly demanded because he is a selfish pos, who wants all the credit for everything, but none of the blame, which has clearly worked perfectly, the onetime a manager ignored him and give the other players the go ahead, "he is declining" when he is only being exposed.

said it once and i will say it again one player playing to his potential while the rest suffer its bs, and something that marketing made look like it was him carrying the team when its clearly the other way around.

im sure cr fanboys missed the days of claiming, nobody but him can score for the team to have a chance. .

futbol_bill wrote:Overrated, sure. But you are making him out to be a scrub. His deficiencies have been well documented here, but by the sheer volume of goals he has scored he will go down as one of the greats. IMO, not legend status but indeed great. He and Messi have been quite a level above everyone else except for this past year.

To be honest, he never came close to challenging prime Messi. But he was the only one that gave the latter a run for his money.

I believe Ronaldo is the best of all the human footballers. Messi is something else. But the fact that he was able to compete neck and neck with one of the all-time greats for a very long time shows how great he is. If it wasn't for him, Messi would've won 8 Ballons d'Or by now.

The Demon of Carthage wrote:I kind of disagree with you on that point. It's true, Ronaldo took the lion's share. But it's not like they rolled the dice and decided Ronaldo should take it. The guy made his presence felt with his terrific scoring ability. It's true that now he's no longer the player he once was, but from 2009-2014, he was an absolute monster.

Numbers are misleading, that's why I rarely ever use them as an argument. But I'm pretty sure only the best players of their generations can score 330+ goals in 6 seasons.

I believe now he's become a liability for us. But in his prime he was a beast. And I'm pretty sure nobody in the distant future will be able to replicate those insane numbers for Real Madrid no matter how many shots they have.  

We didn't win much of anything with him... and the team didn't play better.  Those are the two biggest factors when i rate a player.  If the squad was inferior, you take that into consideration.  But Madrid always had an elite squad.  And to boot, in the most important games and the finals that we played, CR wasn't even among the best players in almost all of them.

So yeah, individual stats are all Ronaldo is about to me.... because there isn't much else to make a case for him.

sportsczy wrote:

The Demon of Carthage wrote:I kind of disagree with you on that point. It's true, Ronaldo took the lion's share. But it's not like they rolled the dice and decided Ronaldo should take it. The guy made his presence felt with his terrific scoring ability. It's true that now he's no longer the player he once was, but from 2009-2014, he was an absolute monster.

Numbers are misleading, that's why I rarely ever use them as an argument. But I'm pretty sure only the best players of their generations can score 330+ goals in 6 seasons.

I believe now he's become a liability for us. But in his prime he was a beast. And I'm pretty sure nobody in the distant future will be able to replicate those insane numbers for Real Madrid no matter how many shots they have.  

We didn't win much of anything with him... and the team didn't play better.  Those are the two biggest factors when i rate a player.  If the squad was inferior, you take that into consideration.  But Madrid always had an elite squad.  And to boot, in the most important games and the finals that we played, CR wasn't even among the best players in almost all of them.

So yeah, individual stats are all Ronaldo is about to me.... because there isn't much else to make a case for him.

We've had a good deal of scrub players since 2009, in my opinion. I don't know about you, but I was certainly never a fan of Albiol, Garay, Granero, Canales.. even Kaka was, in my opinion, more often a liability for us than anything else. Our strongest XI was fielded by Ancelotti in our double-winning season. I'm not saying that winning the double was testament to the quality of the squad, but he used the most balanced team we've had in a long time and ran them all dry, as opposed to resting and rotating with inferior players. Our defense and midfield have always had issues, and I'd argue that our attack has been less than optimal as well, in the absence of in-form Di Maria. Don't get me started about San Iker..

I do agree about your criticism towards C. ronaldo and his inability or tendency to not perform when it matters, though.

Yeah we've had scrubs here and there... but the squad as a whole has always been elite imo. Arbeloa wasn't the worse fullback in his day. Albiol never started unless there was injury. Same for Granero, Canales, etc.

Arbeloa-Pepe-Ramos-Marcelo has been the back 4 almost exclusively with cameos from Coentrao, Varane and Carvajal. Midfield has shuffled... it was Lass-Alonso, then Alonso-Khedira, then Modric-Alonso-Di Maria, etc. Attack has been 3 of Kaka, Benzema, Ozil, CR, Higuain and Di Maria. Iker the keeper.

You have to win more with that imo.... the years that killed me are the Tata years at Barca and Enrique last season. That fact that we haven't won 1 La Liga title in the past 3 years is embarrassing to me.

in cristiano's time we've never been a scrubish team. as sports said, none of those guys were starters. i can't even remember canales getting a game, maybe he did, not sure....i thought garay was a good center back btw. last season was extremely embarrassing- barcelona had so much problems off the pitch, got a new manager(who, despite the treble, i don't think is all that), about going through a fifa ban, and we still ended up empty handed....

this season so far has been very embarrassing as well; out of the cup for an intelligible player; barcelona ahead of us in the league without their best player even playing for like two months, and their transfer ban, and then losing 4 nil and getting dominated, once again without even their best player.....completely ridiculous  not to mention losing the title with vilanova (rip) going through all the things he was going through, and them having a substitute coach take over...even atleti besting us to a league title. we've had many things go our way but its like we just love throwing it away