Ramsey or Diaby?

by Raptorgunner Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:14 pm

Who should start for Arsenal?

I like Diaby, but I think it will be best for us to start Ramsey, he has been looking great and its his time to shine.

by Amar Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:32 pm

Diaby...I'm still not convinced by Ramsey jsut yet. I feel as though he's still finding his way on the field and needs to improve his decision making. Yesterday, in his brief cameo, he gave the ball away in 2 key areas which led to breaks. I like it how we're gradually giving him short appearances to grow his game again.

But also, start Ramsey? That would mean a Ramsey-Arteta-Cazorla midfield? That's alot of creativity but physically a very weak midfield. Diaby has height, strength, and ball control over Ramsey which is important considering we're playing without a real DM atm.

by Raptorgunner Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:45 pm

I do agree but I dont think DIaby is fit to start, Ramsey is a strong guy and being around Carzola and Arteta will only make him better and Giroud is helping out so we could do with out Diaby if he is benched.

by REWB Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:48 pm

they are both average. i just wish we had gotten sahin.

by Emaharg Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:50 pm

Ramsey looked really sharp at the end of the match, had some shots at goal and didn't get caught on the ball like the rest of our midfield did throughout the game.
Although in saying that we need a physical presence in the midfield or we will get torn apart by players like Dembele, just liked United did. Diaby just every time he got pushed to the ground looked injured and got up slowly, giving me very little confidence in him. We need a replacement for Song this week as I fear we will have problem with Liverpool although would like to see Coquelin start that game.

by Raptorgunner Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:16 pm

I know this may sound like a crazy idea what about Vermaelen going to midfield? and we make Mert and Kos start at the back. hmm

by 6unner Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:21 pm

REWB wrote:they are both average. i just wish we had gotten sahin.

Agree with that. It would have been fun to watch.

Just don't like to HAVE to rely on people coming off of long term injuries (Diaby & Wilshere) or a season of average or less performances (Ramsey) to instantly be able to look like they once did. It would be nice if everyone had to actually earn there place in the starting X1. Another option would have been nice.

by Raptorgunner Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:26 pm

6unner wrote:
REWB wrote:they are both average. i just wish we had gotten sahin.

Agree with that. It would have been fun to watch.

Just don't like to HAVE to rely on people coming off of long term injuries (Diaby & Wilshere) or a season of average or less performances (Ramsey) to instantly be able to look like they once did. It would be nice if everyone had to actually earn there place in the starting X1. Another option would have been nice.

Thats the the thing, we should have never sold Song. We had some competition in the midfield and we sell him and now we have to depend on Diaby and Ramsey who both should start off the bench.

by urbaNRoots Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:30 pm

We should get someone else to be frank, both are bench material. Would rather start Coquelin.

by urbaNRoots Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:32 pm

Raptorgunner wrote:
6unner wrote:
REWB wrote:they are both average. i just wish we had gotten sahin.

Agree with that. It would have been fun to watch.

Just don't like to HAVE to rely on people coming off of long term injuries (Diaby & Wilshere) or a season of average or less performances (Ramsey) to instantly be able to look like they once did. It would be nice if everyone had to actually earn there place in the starting X1. Another option would have been nice.

Thats the the thing, we should have never sold Song. We had some competition in the midfield and we sell him and now we have to depend on Diaby and Ramsey who both should start off the bench.

Song was tactically inept mate, it's a good thing that we got rid of him. Didn't listen to Bould's/Wenger's instructions and we all saw how much of influence Bould has nowadays. I'm sure Wenger will sign someone better to replace him.

by SUPERCARTTS Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:51 pm

In all honesty, the look of Diaby Arteta & Cazorla has impressed me quite a bit. This time last season I was begging for us to flog Diaby. But the last two games from Diaby has shown improvements.

If we had won, or for that matter scored, we wouldn't event be having this discussion. For me, Ramsey lacks composure, physicality and drive, to be a starting player

by sportsczy Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:43 pm

Gervinho starting is the much bigger problem.... why Arsene, WHY!?

by Jay29 Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:05 pm

I believe Ramsey is on the verge of returning to his old form and it would be nice to see him get ample enough opportunities for him to prove himself.

Diaby is doing okay, but will need time to find form. If he ever does find form, I would start him over Ramsey, because his power and directness can really add something to the team.

It's disappointing that some are calling them average or bench players. Both are very talented players who need form and confidence after difficult periods. Given Diaby's recent history with injuries, I think it'd be prudent to rotate him a lot with Ramsey. That way, we don't have to risk Diaby getting injured again and we can give Ramsey the necessary time to show what he can do.

by abirking Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:20 am

Given the lightness of the midfield at the moment i would prefer diaby over ramsey.

by furiouswindbottom Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:27 am

Neither.

Coquelin is better than both.

by Peccadillo Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:38 am

Diaby FTW with the current squad.. C'mon lads we need at least one midfielder who is beyond a "capable" defender.

by Wilson37 Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:40 am

Easy decision, its Diaby.. as many said our midfield looks too light with Ramsey.. and i cant see many pros for choosing him over Diaby..

by djoe26 Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:28 am

GoonerJay29 wrote:I believe Ramsey is on the verge of returning to his old form and it would be nice to see him get ample enough opportunities for him to prove himself.

Diaby is doing okay, but will need time to find form. If he ever does find form, I would start him over Ramsey, because his power and directness can really add something to the team.

It's disappointing that some are calling them average or bench players. Both are very talented players who need form and confidence after difficult periods. Given Diaby's recent history with injuries, I think it'd be prudent to rotate him a lot with Ramsey. That way, we don't have to risk Diaby getting injured again and we can give Ramsey the necessary time to show what he can do.

+1

by EL Patron Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:46 pm

The problem with Ramsey is the lack of fluency in his game, he is always one pour touch or pass away from giving the ball back to the opposition Mad

by Jay29 Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:59 pm

It's the same with Diaby. His tendency to dwell on the ball and run into a cul de sac really disrupts our attack at times.

by REWB Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:10 pm

furiouswindbottom wrote:Neither.

Coquelin is better than both.

i actually agree with this coquelin is better than both, i dont know why wenger is not starting him.

by lenear1030 Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:56 pm

urbaNRoots wrote:We should get someone else to be frank, both are bench material. Would rather start Coquelin.

by RealGunner Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:36 pm

REWB wrote:
furiouswindbottom wrote:Neither.

Coquelin is better than both.

i actually agree with this coquelin is better than both, i dont know why wenger is not starting him.

not sure if serious

by sportsczy Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:20 pm

Coquelin is a natural holding CM. Ramsey and DIaby are not that good defensively.... but if you are looking for attacking skills, Coquelin is 3rd in this group by a lot.

I personally think you start Coquelin and push Arteta forward. You put everyone in their natural positions as opposed to trying things out.

by lenear1030 Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:20 pm

sportsczy wrote:Coquelin is a natural holding CM. Ramsey and DIaby are not that good defensively.... but if you are looking for attacking skills, Coquelin is 3rd in this group by a lot.

I personally think you start Coquelin and push Arteta forward. You put everyone in their natural positions as opposed to trying things out.

im sure thats what we mean. arteta shouldn't really be playing dm for us. with our roster as constituted coqueilin should be partnered with him to provide that defensive stability in midfield, even though coquelin offers more than that

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