Re: Greatest magician ever

by Onyx Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:03 am

Just because Mourinho doesn't show much attacking tactical knowledge, doesn't mean he doesn't know any tactics at all.

Yeh it may seem easy to park the bus, but it seems easy to attack and pass the ball about too.

by Mr Nick09 Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:09 am

Yohan Modric wrote:Just because Mourinho doesn't show much attacking tactical knowledge, doesn't mean he doesn't know any tactics at all.

Yeh it may seem easy to park the bus, but it seems easy to attack and pass the ball about too.

by eelir Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:10 am

Yohan Modric wrote:Just because Mourinho doesn't show much attacking tactical knowledge, doesn't mean he doesn't know any tactics at all.

Yeh it may seem easy to park the bus, but it seems easy to attack and pass the ball about too.

LOL. This should be nominated as a comment of the year!

by The Franchise Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:10 am

Yohan Modric wrote:Just because Mourinho doesn't show much attacking tactical knowledge, doesn't mean he doesn't know any tactics at all.

Yeh it may seem easy to park the bus, but it seems easy to attack and pass the ball about too.

No, it really doesnt.

Go to the bottom half of most leagues. They all know how to park the bus.

Some do it better than others (Mourinho teams of the past, Inter and Chelsea especially) but that has alot to do with what players you have there. Obviously you park the but with Walter Samuel and Lucio you will do better than with two random scrubs from Xerez.

However, find teams that can control games and dominate them to such a large extent. You wont find more than a few.

by Onyx Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:20 am

That depends on the league. A lot of the lower La Liga sides play decent football. I doubt every lower team parks the bus every game. Besides, it's not like Mourinho parks the bus every game either.

It might seem easy to park the bus, but I'm sure there's detailed tactics when it comes to defending. Also parking the bus isn't the only way to defend.

by Yeezus Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:29 am

Yohan Modric wrote:Just because Mourinho doesn't show much attacking tactical knowledge, doesn't mean he doesn't know any tactics at all.

Yeh it may seem easy to park the bus, but it seems easy to attack and pass the ball about too.

Then why do teams find difficulty in doing it and resort to parking the bus?

by The Franchise Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:35 am

Do we really have to have this obsurd discussion again?

Its so obvious that only a select few teams can dominate any game while basically every team out there is capable of parking the bus.

by Onyx Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:41 am

Danny7 wrote:
Yohan Modric wrote:Just because Mourinho doesn't show much attacking tactical knowledge, doesn't mean he doesn't know any tactics at all.

Yeh it may seem easy to park the bus, but it seems easy to attack and pass the ball about too.

Then why do teams find difficulty in doing it and resort to parking the bus?

I'm not a fan of parking the bus, but why is parking the bus inferior to attacking? It's a tactic.

The Franchise wrote:Do we really have to have this obsurd discussion again?

Its so obvious that only a select few teams can dominate any game while basically every team out there is capable of parking the bus.

Not really. Real Madrid can't park the bus effectively. Whenever we sit back we struggle. Teams need the correct players to park the bus. I don't think Mourinho just says 'park the bus'. Surely there are other tactical instructions involved.

And attacking and passing the ball doesn't really mean a team has to have 85% possession every game.

by The Franchise Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:52 am

Really? Like when you parked the bus in the CL semi final? You looked pretty good then pre Pepe red card so thats a crock of crap.

When else did Madrid park the bus?

If loses to Barca are your only example you need to do better, you can lose to us doing whatever you like.

As I said. How many teams dominate 99% of games they play via controlling the ball, ball circulation and such measures? Barca...Bayern....already struggling for more.

How many teams are capable of parking the bus? Nearly all of them.

Parking the bus is the modern day catenaccio. You know what catenaccio was known as back int he days?

"The right of the weak".

It evens the playing field for the weak teams to compete, it narrows the possibilty of error.

Apply that type of tactic to a team with talent, then you might just win your self a title.

Doesnt make you a tactical genius of any kind. People have done it before Mourinho and will do it when he has gone.

As someone earlier said, nobody thinks Greece's coach is a tactical genuis...all he did it without a team that costs millions and millions of euros.

by Die Borussen Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:55 am

playing attacking rather defensive wise isnt purely tactically related, the few teams that are able to control and dominate games are the ones that got the players who are able to make such a gameplay to work, teams that have the money to buy such players or the youth to promote them.
Most teams out there do not have those tools hence rely more on parking the bus to earn points and victories

by no means attacking requires more tactical approach than defending
thats just stupid..

by The Franchise Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:57 am

And what excuse does Mourinho have for not having his teams do this?

Money? Really?

And what your saying is wrong anyway. Nobody is saying you dont need tactical input to defend, nobody has ever said that.

Its just easier to apply and therefore applying it doesnt take any kind of genius.

by Onyx Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:05 am

Even under Mourinho, we aren't good when we sit back. We just don't look solid in defense. You can tell the difference between us parking the bus and Inter.

A team doesn't need 85% possession to show they're good attacking wise. I'm sure there's plenty of teams out there who can pass the ball and create chances well, without dominating the game like Barcelona or Bayern.

Surely there's tactical instructions etc involved when parking the bus. Parking the bus = defending. So does that mean defending is meant to be easier than attacking?

by Die Borussen Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:08 am

parking the bus mostly takes place with small teams when facing big ones hence me mentioning the money factor

mourinho parks the bus cause he thinks he has more chances on winning that way,
or maybe cause he can only do it that way? does that mean that way is inferior to your way the 'beautiful' one? no.

you are right its easier to park the bus, but its not easier to win something with it, teams that park the bus usually are the ones that risk relegation or just are inferior quality wise.
they dont win anything doing it unless its by luck (chelsea) which means no genius coach is required.
Mou won something, mou won the lot, mou won leagues after leagues, 2 CL and many other trophies, how? in his style, defending!
thats genius.

by Onyx Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:11 am

Anyway I think the discussion here is about whether Mourinho is tactically inept or not. And to answer that question, I don't think he is. Attacking isn't the only way to show you're good tactically.

by DeAdLy CoUnTeR Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:13 am

In the end mourinho should be condemned for his inability to do anything else with a team, no wonder a man like cryuff would never want him at barcelona, and to think that apparently he was once close ...

With the talented team mourinho had he wasnt able to build a "true" system, and its flaws were able to be seen even in the first season of mou's career in the bernabeu.

The fact is that the team focused around the efficiency fueled by the player talent, and after so much war and fight, the exhaustion has reached critical point in madrid in all ways.

The way mourinho made his team play was not enough when it came to fighting against teams with equal talent (or greater) but with a true system, when that happened madrid got ( perfectly symbolically) taken out of the cl by true representations of systems with talent like bayern and barcelona..

All systems have their ups and downs, heck the milan system years ago was far from perfect but successful at the cl, but mourinho's system is just too short ranged and self destructs in your face.

Mourinho is a short time coach, and in my opinion completely irrelevant if there is an alternative coach which holds the qualities that he surely doesnt to really truly build a long term project without failing in the same way.

Hes not a great tactician, but he is a great motivator until everything blows up.

He's a genius if you want to call it that in that way, but other than that, i'd say unless you are desperate, you should keep him away from your club.

Not a tactical mastermind what so ever. Couldnt beat liverpool twice and now has failed twice more, and he got very lucky with inter too.

by Mr Nick09 Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:14 am

no one said his way is inferior, but he doesnt do otherwise because he cant.

The fact that it's also easier to park the bus is a big reason why... it takes no talent to do it, but it does take talent to win as much as mourinho.

mou's talent is just not on the tactical side, it's ok, he can still win regardless, but tactical genius? lol. Di Mateto is also a tactical genius too, and a pretty good motivator, look how he turned Chelsea around, goat

by DeAdLy CoUnTeR Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:18 am

Mr Nick09 wrote:no one said his way is inferior, but he doesnt do otherwise because he cant.

The fact that it's also easier to park the bus is a big reason why... it takes no talent to do it, but it does take talent to win as much as mourinho.

mou's talent is just not on the tactical side, it's ok, he can still win regardless, but tactical genius? lol. Di Mateto is also a tactical genius too, and a pretty good motivator, look how he turned Chelsea around, goat

How will he manage a long term stay at england like this?

by Mr Nick09 Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:19 am

DeAdLy CoUnTeR wrote:
Mr Nick09 wrote:no one said his way is inferior, but he doesnt do otherwise because he cant.

The fact that it's also easier to park the bus is a big reason why... it takes no talent to do it, but it does take talent to win as much as mourinho.

mou's talent is just not on the tactical side, it's ok, he can still win regardless, but tactical genius? lol. Di Mateto is also a tactical genius too, and a pretty good motivator, look how he turned Chelsea around, goat

How will he manage a long term stay at england like this?

who seriously gives a fck?

by Die Borussen Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:20 am

if he joins man u he will have no problem, him and fergie will be on the phone day and night

by DeAdLy CoUnTeR Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:22 am

Mr Nick09 wrote:
DeAdLy CoUnTeR wrote:
Mr Nick09 wrote:no one said his way is inferior, but he doesnt do otherwise because he cant.

The fact that it's also easier to park the bus is a big reason why... it takes no talent to do it, but it does take talent to win as much as mourinho.

mou's talent is just not on the tactical side, it's ok, he can still win regardless, but tactical genius? lol. Di Mateto is also a tactical genius too, and a pretty good motivator, look how he turned Chelsea around, goat

How will he manage a long term stay at england like this?
who seriously gives a fck?

A measurement of his grand delusion...

by Onyx Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:26 am

I don't think being tactically good is just about playing attacking football. Tactics involve the defensive things too.

There's probably other things like substitutions etc etc. The way to attack, movement, defensive positioning etc etc.

We didn't park the bus when we won La Liga last year. Counter-attacking is a tactic too.

by DeAdLy CoUnTeR Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:30 am

Yohan Modric wrote:I don't think being tactically good is just about playing attacking football. Tactics involve the defensive things too.

There's probably other things like substitutions etc etc. The way to attack, movement, defensive positioning etc etc.

We didn't park the bus when we won La Liga last year. Counter-attacking is a tactic too.

This isnt just about parking the bus with mourinho though, his own way of modus operandi makes it so all his ways of winning is short term and very dramatic..Why take that lane?

And if you can sustain a healthy atmosphere from a perspective, why play the game like mourinho intends his players to?

Theres no other way for him to work unless he would re envision himself.

by Mr Nick09 Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:33 am

tmo under his new moniker has escaped the mods for about a month now? very good deadly counter Laughing

by DeAdLy CoUnTeR Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:35 am

Mr Nick09 wrote:tmo under his new moniker has escaped the mods for about a month now? very good deadly counter

Dat recognizable eh.. ^-^

by Mr Nick09 Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:38 am

no it's sad how desperate you are to join in here after being banned such a long time ago. GL :bow:

move on bro, join soccernet or some crap like that

by Die Borussen Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:40 am

lol nick you screwed him

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