Re: Guardiola to Bayern

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:25 pm

Swanhends wrote:Pep No Who will save us now

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by Ion Creanga Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:25 pm

Swanhends wrote:Pep No Who will save us now

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by BarrileteCosmico Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:28 pm

2nd best possession side in the world, it's an ideal match for him. I wish him the best.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:29 pm

sportsczy wrote:It's not as big a challenge Mole... not saying it's not a challenge. You're in a 2 horse race in Bundi where you're the top dog right now, the roster is filled with great talent and you have money to spend.

It's not like taking over flawed teams like Chelsea, City or Milan, who would require a lot more work.

Honestly i don't think its any less a challenge than City or Chelsea would be....

Milan yeah but thats not a challenge thats a miracle as Dani says lol.

by sportsczy Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:31 pm

EPL is much more competitive... come on now. You have 4-5 teams that are top dogs and the rest of the league is talented. Add to that, every EPL team gets a minimum additional 20 mil a year due to the media deal coming in starting next year... that's more buying power for everyone.

Much, much easier at Bayern. In fact, Bundi is almost exactly like La Liga lol.

by Guest Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:33 pm

Scary stuff on paper... It's hard to make predictions, but it looks like a great fit in terms of football style, and Bayern is as solid an institution as it gets.

by S Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:34 pm

In terms of financial prowess of the club,squad strength and their performances over this season ,maybe you have a case.

But when you look from Guardiola's perspective ,there are a lot of aspects to take into account.

1.He is arriving at a new country,new language ,everything's new for him.And its not like he's managed numerous clubs across Europe like Mou has,its like only his second coaching assignment.

2.At Barca he knew the players,the youth system in and out so thats another factor to consider in my opinion.I mean you cant expect everything Pep touches when it comes to youth to turn into gold.

3.His transfer record with Barca.I think everyone will unanimously agree that he was poor with transfers(large part of them) at Barca so we have to see how well it goes when he is up working with Sammer as their DS.

4.The constant Barca comparisons from the media ,you could already see it happening imo ,so there's huge amount of pressure and he could be facing heavy media scrutiny even when there's a slight slip in the team's performances.Easier said than done in my opinion.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:38 pm

Not really true tbh, PL is a 2 horse race too.... the rest are just pretenders.

If anything this year PL is a 1 horse race Laughing

Also i don't agree its much more competitive, ok Bayern are comfortable at the moment but most years BL is very competitive.

How many leagues have Bayern won recently? the last 2 have been won by Dortmund.

City or Chelsea would be just as easy tbh as they spend 100s of millions every bloody window.

I can accept Milan because they are not awashed with cash and theres a lot of teams above them at the moment but Chelsea and City would not be showing any more of a challenge to me.

by sportsczy Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:38 pm

Incidentally, this makes Bayern the #1 destination for Benzema should he decide to leave Madrid. He loves Pep's and Barca's football philosophy and his agent had clearly indicated that they are watching Pep. He was hoping that Wenger and Arsenal would make a move since he would never go to Barca... that never materialized last summer. But now that Pep is at Bayern, the same club as his good friend Ribery.... this becomes a hot rumor. I'm calling this now so that peeps remember lol.

by sportsczy Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:43 pm

ok well you're being a fanboy Mole.... everybody realizes that EPL is by far the most competitive league in the world. City, United and Chelsea are very talented. Spurs are coming up too. Then you have a bunch of clubs that can beat anyone in a given game and have good talent. Bundi has Bayern and Dortmund that dwarf everyone in terms of talent... He's also not be taking over Man U if he came to EPL lol. He was linked with one of those "pretenders" like you called them.

by Toffer Harley Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:45 pm

sportsczy wrote:Incidentally, this makes Bayern the #1 destination for Benzema should he decide to leave Madrid. He loves Pep's and Barca's football philosophy and his agent had clearly indicated that they are watching Pep. He was hoping that Wenger and Arsenal would make a move since he would never go to Barca... that never materialized last summer. But now that Pep is at Bayern, the same club as his good friend Ribery.... this becomes a hot rumor. I'm calling this now so that peeps remember lol.

eskimo brothers

by The Franchise Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:45 pm

Surag wrote:In terms of financial prowess of the club,squad strength and their performances over this season ,maybe you have a case.

But when you look from Guardiola's perspective ,there are a lot of aspects to take into account.

1.He is arriving at a new country,new language ,everything's new for him.And its not like he's managed numerous clubs across Europe like Mou has,its like only his second coaching assignment.

2.At Barca he knew the players,the youth system in and out so thats another factor to consider in my opinion.I mean you cant expect everything Pep touches when it comes to youth to turn into gold.

3.His transfer record with Barca.I think everyone will unanimously agree that he was poor with transfers(large part of them) at Barca so we have to see how well it goes when he is up working with Sammer as their DS.

4.The constant Barca comparisons from the media ,you could already see it happening imo ,so there's huge amount of pressure and he could be facing heavy media scrutiny even when there's a slight slip in the team's performances.Easier said than done in my opinion.

Good points. I would say Pep transfers are more average than poor in terms of the amount which have worked and the amount which havent.

But yeah, that aside those 4 points will be a problem for him, aswell as the pressure that is likely building for Bayern to win the CL. I had forgetten untill Mole said it, just how long its been since they won it.

The PL would be a more stressful challenge for him than more difficult in my opinion.

The league itself is woeful quality wise in comparison to some years ago and it a 2 team league itself, other than some delusional pocket of fans who actually think they can win a title.

Yes, other teams have money, but they spend it woefully quite often.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:52 pm

Aye Schalke, Gladbach, Leverkusen etc etc are no talent scrubs.....

PL's competitiveness is overrated, if it was so competitive why are Man Utd 14 points clear of Chelsea?

Also you call BL a 2 team league..... you do realise the champions are 3rd right?

Anyway lets agree to disagree but i think safe to say you hardly watch BL or just underrate it far too much.

by sportsczy Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:52 pm

lol at making EPL look like a 2 horse race.

by B-Mac Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:55 pm

so does this mean Germany will win every international tournament it touches now too?... :coffee:

by McAgger Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:56 pm

I'm not a fan of Mou on any accounts, but people have been low balling his credentials (even before this season Madrid farce) because he's been taking jobs that almost guarantee success. I guess Pep is from the same mold then Laughing

by S Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:57 pm

It is a 2 horse race.Its just that people read too much into squad strength which is an overrated factor.

Over the years Bundesliga has proven to be the most competitive league of the top leagues across Europe so whats more to say ? Lets not turn this into a league competitiveness debate anyways.

by FalcaoPunch Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:58 pm

if he flops will this affect his "legacy"

by CBarca Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:00 pm

As long as he's not in England, I'm happy :bow:

Good luck Pep! I will have to watch more Bayern next season.

by The Franchise Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:00 pm

Messiah "Aggerswagger" wrote:I'm not a fan of Mou on any accounts, but people have been low balling his credentials (even before this season Madrid farce) because he's been taking jobs that almost guarantee success. I guess Pep is from the same mold then

Nah, but your a Pep hater.

There was no guaranteed success for Mou either, but when you have get to spend limitless funds with Chelsea and Madrid and then go to an Inter team which at the time could win the league with a monkey in charge...what do you think people are going to say?

by Art Morte Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:00 pm

For me, he chose the easiest job available.

The dominating transfer talk regarding all other Bundesliga clubs is that will they sell their best players and where to. Lewandowski, Schurrle, Reus, Huntelaar, Holtby...

And the way the likes of Sahin, Marin, Kagawa, Cisse etc have been sold previously.

Munich is pretty much the only club that seems to be capable of reinforcing their squad without selling first and they are the stand-out club in Bundesliga this season.

I mean, I think it's a good move by Guardiola, perhaps the best, but the challenge is only about living up to expectations, not so much about making something special happen.

by sportsczy Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:00 pm

I watch a ton of Bundi. You have Bayern this year. Dortmund has been inconsistent. The rest of the league play good footy, but they have nowhere near the talent of those 2. Leverkusen is taking advantage of Dortmund's inconsistency more than anything else.... just like Atleti is doing in La Liga.

It's no coincidence that Bayern have won 7 of the last 12 Bundi trophies... and they finished second 3 times too. If anything, Bundi was a lot more competitive in the 80s, 90s and early 00s. Leverkusen were a true force back then and you had teams like Hamburg, Stuttgart and Breme that were all very strong.

by Toffer Harley Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:02 pm

Surag wrote:It is a 2 horse race.Its just that people read too much into squad strength which is an overrated factor.

Over the years Bundesliga has proven to be the most competitive league of the top leagues across Europe so whats more to say ? Lets not turn this into a league competitiveness debate anyways.

there is nothing to add to that. some people just can't accept it, back to guardiola now

by BarrileteCosmico Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:02 pm

sportsczy wrote:lol at making EPL look like a 2 horse race.

EPL is just like la liga. 2 teams clearly above the rest, (united and city to barca and atletico respectively), a has been club in 3rd place (madrid and chelsea) and then a bunch of "the rest" teams which are close on performance level. I don't know what you're on about :coffee:

by The Franchise Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:03 pm

FalcaoPunch wrote:if he flops will this affect his "legacy"

It must. But I dont think he will ever be a coach about legacy who will get compared to others like that, he will have a short career I think.

He will be more like Sacchi or Cruyff who is known for creating an all time great team and having a fantastic football mind.

by Onyx Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:04 pm

I doubt Dortmund can buy big players like Bayern can. Plus Lewandowski could leave, Gotze could if he gets a good offer etc. Bayern will be an easy challenge for Pep imo. They're the only elite team in Bundesliga. The other 2nd tier teams can challenge for the title, however I think Bayern are just too strong.

I wonder if he'll change the entire team or stick with what he's got.

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