Definitive Luis Suarez Poll

Chumlum wrote:(Also, I voted "no," but I think that if it came down to getting Suarez for a lot of money vs not signing anyone, I'd resign myself to his coming. I've read Machiavelli. I know Game of Thrones. Sometimes circumstances force you to do unsavory things in order to grasp power and achieve greatness with it.  )

Arsenal being prepared to overlook ethical considerations is one thing - a necessary, if unpalatable, reality - but their ability to turn a blind eye to Suarez's transfer history is more worrying. He has already forced his way out of two clubs - his departure from Ajax was less acrimonious but just as compulsory - and now seems to be paving the way to do the same to a third.

This prompts a question that, at some point, Arsenal really should have asked themselves: What's to say he won't do the same to us? Even if he leads them to a Premier League and Champions League double, there is always going to be someone who will offer more money, more glamour, more sunshine.

Why would they be any different than Liverpool, than Ajax, than Groningen? What makes them think they will be the exception? Even if they are prepared to spend all that money to bring Suarez to the Emirates, despite all of his baggage, is signing him not a guarantee of trouble down the road? This feels familiar already. It is hard to escape the idea that Suarez, and his clubs, are condemned to repeat history, time and again - less as tragedy, more as farce.

RealGunner wrote:It's a valid concern. I hope Arsene has thought well over this.

Chumlum wrote:(Also, I voted "no," but I think that if it came down to getting Suarez for a lot of money vs not signing anyone, I'd resign myself to his coming. I've read Machiavelli. I know Game of Thrones. Sometimes circumstances force you to do unsavory things in order to grasp power and achieve greatness with it.  )

statsbettor wrote:appears that Suarez is happy to shoot from almost anywhere inside the opposition’s half.  For the most part, it appears that these shooting decisions are not very wise due to the infrequency of those long range shots finding the net.  This can be seen by the amount of red zeros in the right hand image.

Guardian wrote:Suárez is a family man, who is married to his childhood sweetheart and he is simply considered to be a nice bloke by his Liverpool team-mates. Those that know him from his previous clubs speak well of him, too. "He likes to laugh and he likes to joke," said Tottenham Hotspur's Jan Vertonghen, who played with Suárez at Ajax. The Arsenal captain, Thomas Vermaelen, also knows and respects him from the Dutch club.

There would be no issues in the Arsenal dressing room were Suárez to sign, partly because players are a worldly bunch, concerned purely with whether somebody will put it in for them. Almost to a man during the current tour, Arsenal's squad have spoken of their desire to see high quality additions. They would love it were Suárez to join.

There is also the school of thought that a player of Suárez's win-at-all-costs mentality is precisely what Arsenal need. The Uruguayan has admitted that something changes inside him when he crosses the white line and he feels the competitive juices; something that makes him prepared to push the boundaries of what is thought to be acceptable. Have Arsenal, trophyless since 2005, been guilty of being too nice? As an aside on morality in football (such as it is), it is remarkable how supporters can turn as soon as a player changes teams.

MARTIN KEOWN wrote:Liverpool are right to fight to keep hold of Luis Suarez. He is a fantastic player. But Arsene Wenger is the perfect person to erase the unwanted side of the Uruguayan’s game.

A deal with Arsenal is still a long way off, and signing someone with Suarez’s track record could be seen as high-risk. He has run into big trouble on several occasions. He needs to learn from his behaviour because you can’t use racist language or bite people. It’s not on.

But there is not a better educator of young men than Wenger. The Frenchman would make a difference to Suarez’s behaviour without a doubt.

Wenger creates a habit of behaviour that everyone around him follows. He is a very calm person and everyone else follows that example. He makes good decisions based on calmness. He treats his players with respect and creates a learning environment.

All of this is aimed at keeping you from crossing the line, which is what Suarez needs to learn. Of course, it doesn’t work all the time because Wenger still wants you to be fiery on the pitch — I should know — but Suarez would benefit. We all know deep down how to behave; Wenger promotes that.

There would also be benefits on the pitch for him. Don’t forget that Wenger has worked with so many top strikers: Ian Wright, Nicolas Anelka, Dennis Bergkamp, Thierry Henry, Nwankwo Kanu and Robin van Persie, to name just a few. And they have all improved as players under him.

Emmanuel Adebayor went from hitting shots yards over the bar in training to scoring 30 goals in a season.

And Suarez has so much talent. He brings goals, has intelligence in the way he links with players, and shows calmness in front of goal. Suarez is a nightmare to play against, too, because of the way he wriggles and turns inside his opponent.

From Arsenal’s point of view, this possible deal is exciting. You need a world-class striker to compete at the highest level — it’s the icing on the cake for any team.

Arsenal have been used to losing big players in the past few summers so it makes a change to see them going after a big signing. It will fill Arsenal with hope and Liverpool with dread.

GoonerJay29 wrote:Like Amar, I've been sitting on the fence on this issue but after after reading a very good article from Rory Smith of The Times, I'm leaning towards "no". Specifically, it was this extract that did it for me (bit of background: Suarez took legal action against Groningen and though he didn't win his case, the whole mess practically forced Groningen to cut their losses):

http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/espnfcunited/id/8101?cc=5739

Arsenal being prepared to overlook ethical considerations is one thing - a necessary, if unpalatable, reality - but their ability to turn a blind eye to Suarez's transfer history is more worrying. He has already forced his way out of two clubs - his departure from Ajax was less acrimonious but just as compulsory - and now seems to be paving the way to do the same to a third.

This prompts a question that, at some point, Arsenal really should have asked themselves: What's to say he won't do the same to us? Even if he leads them to a Premier League and Champions League double, there is always going to be someone who will offer more money, more glamour, more sunshine.

Why would they be any different than Liverpool, than Ajax, than Groningen? What makes them think they will be the exception? Even if they are prepared to spend all that money to bring Suarez to the Emirates, despite all of his baggage, is signing him not a guarantee of trouble down the road? This feels familiar already. It is hard to escape the idea that Suarez, and his clubs, are condemned to repeat history, time and again - less as tragedy, more as farce.

I'm not naive enough to believe that players should be loyal or even like the club he plays for, but Suarez's history would worry me as a supporter. This is a player that, no matter how much he wins or how much the club he's playing for supports him from difficult times, will still try and force his way out and won't do so quietly. He could spend two or three years with us, win a Premier League title, win a Champions League and become a club icon yet wouldn't give a damn about any of it the second someone like Madrid came in for him.

Undeniably Suarez is a great player, but he's also trouble. I'm not comfortable about the idea of our club spending so much money on someone who could do something incredibly stupid and get himself banned for several games, or for someone who could toss us aside on a whim and be disruptive about it in the process. I recall a certain Robin van Persie practically doing the same thing, too.

El Gunner wrote:Who would want to argue against me, that putting his negative side aside, Suarez is the best player in the PL...?

El Gunner wrote:Who would want to argue against me, that putting his negative side aside, Suarez is the best player in the PL...?

Wilson37 wrote:

El Gunner wrote:Who would want to argue against me, that putting his negative side aside, Suarez is the best player in the PL...?

if you forget the negative side.. then not even the best striker in PL.. RIP..

El Gunner wrote:

Wilson37 wrote:

El Gunner wrote:Who would want to argue against me, that putting his negative side aside, Suarez is the best player in the PL...?

if you forget the negative side.. then not even the best striker in PL.. RIP..

So who is better. RvP? Aguero? Bale?

Wilson37 wrote:

El Gunner wrote:

Wilson37 wrote:

if you forget the negative side.. then not even the best striker in PL.. RIP..

So who is better. RvP? Aguero? Bale?

arguably RIP better than Suarez.. Aguero is nowhere near..