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Post by Ruben Pardo Mon 03 Mar 2014, 19:10

In my option it was 2011 with Jack Wilshere

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Post by VendettaRed07 Mon 03 Mar 2014, 19:12

Well in my option, it was just this weekend
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Post by Ruben Pardo Mon 03 Mar 2014, 19:17

VendettaRed07 wrote:Well in my option, it was just this weekend

Please elaborate
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Post by Art Morte Mon 03 Mar 2014, 19:27

Bale's pretty good. And Ramsay.
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Post by izzy Mon 03 Mar 2014, 19:31

Art Morte wrote:Bale's pretty good. And Ramsay.

They're not English....... Wink 

Anyway, this question is insulting to one Wayne Rooney.

Wilshere
Theo
Gibbs
Oxlade
Shaw
Barkley etc.

I need to see more from these guys.
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Post by Arquitecto Mon 03 Mar 2014, 19:33

Art Morte wrote:Bale's pretty good. And Ramsay.

*English


On Topic:

Scouse Cafu:

Jon"Tom Cruise"Flanagan.
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Post by futbol Mon 03 Mar 2014, 19:34

Paul Gascoigne in 1984.

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Post by The_Badger Mon 03 Mar 2014, 19:37

Art Morte wrote:Bale's pretty good. And Ramsay.

I got your joke.  Wink 

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Post by McAgger Mon 03 Mar 2014, 19:39

Art Morte wrote:Bale's pretty good. And Ramsay.

They're too small minded to comprehend you Morty Proud
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Post by Art Morte Mon 03 Mar 2014, 19:40

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Post by Chumlum Mon 03 Mar 2014, 19:42

Owen Hargreaves!

No no, just kidding. Depends on what we mean by "very good player." There are some people who divide absolutely every footballer into one of two categories, "world-class" or "shit." So by that rationale, probably not a "very good player" from England since the heyday of Scholes.

I don't subscribe to that all-or-nothing approach, myself. I'd say Wayne Rooney is a great player, someone who at various points in his career has definitely been in the conversation as one of the top five forwards in the world.

But certainly there have been some other "very good" players. Of guys whose careers are winding down or recently retired, you can make a great case for Cole, Gerrard, Lampard, Carrick. Terry and Ferdinand too, during their peaks. Much as I hate a lot of those guys.

I think Wilshere has great potential but still isn't quite a great player yet. Dude's only 22 so there's plenty of time. If you count him though, then it's not unreasonable to consider Baines, Johnson, Walcott, Hart (very much out of favor these days but he's had some terrific seasons & a long future ahead of him so who knows) ... and if you're talking about young talent with high ceilings, then certainly Gibbs, Shaw, Barkley, Sterling, and Oxlade-Chamberlain are in the conversation.
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Post by Gil Mon 03 Mar 2014, 19:49

Are there actually people that think Ashley Cole, Rio Ferdinand, John Terry, Frank Lampard, Steven Gerrard & Wayne Rooney aren't great players? Laughing
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Post by Onyx Mon 03 Mar 2014, 19:59

Very good is subjective. To some it might mean someone elite like Rooney, while to others it can be someone like Wilshere.

For me it's definitely Wilshere. Hopefully he can stay fit for the rest of the season and be an important part of the England team at the WC.

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Post by che Mon 03 Mar 2014, 21:29

Gil wrote:Are there actually people that think Ashley Cole, Rio Ferdinand, John Terry, Frank Lampard, Steven Gerrard & Wayne Rooney aren't great players? Laughing

all of them are either pushing 30, or close to it... hence, "the last time"
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Post by VendettaRed07 Mon 03 Mar 2014, 21:32

Ruben Pardo wrote:
VendettaRed07 wrote:Well in my option, it was just this weekend

Please elaborate  

Grammar joke aside I just don't get what you mean by when did they produce? How can you track a specific date? Players that were recently produced who aren't great yet may turn out to be great soon. There could have been someone who debuted just recently that'll be the next great player. Or someone that looks great can be just a flash in the pan and crap by next month
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Post by Highburied Mon 03 Mar 2014, 21:57

Liverpool fans spamming every thread with bias.

Stay grounded ffs.

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Post by Bellabong Mon 03 Mar 2014, 22:04

Chumlum wrote:Owen Hargreaves!

No no, just kidding.

The best part is that he wasn't even "produced" in England  Laughing 
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Post by Highburied Mon 03 Mar 2014, 22:09

Last great talents are Luke Shaw, Jack, Sturridge, etc.

England have many talent just dont know how to use them in international games.
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Post by FennecFox7 Mon 03 Mar 2014, 22:11

Art Morte wrote:Bale's pretty good. And Ramsay.
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Post by Le Samourai Mon 03 Mar 2014, 22:16

Ruben Pardo wrote:In my option it was 2011 with Jack Juanito Wilshere


:coffee:
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Post by Ruben Pardo Mon 03 Mar 2014, 23:39

VendettaRed07 wrote:
Ruben Pardo wrote:
VendettaRed07 wrote:Well in my option, it was just this weekend

Please elaborate  

Grammar joke aside I just don't get what you mean by when did they produce? How can you track a specific date? Players that were recently produced who aren't great yet may turn out to be great soon. There could have been someone who debuted just recently that'll be the next great player. Or someone that looks great can be just a flash in the pan and crap by next month

I think you're being a little too autistic about this question, just answer it dude, all these technicality's...
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Post by Red Alert Tue 04 Mar 2014, 01:36

From LFC:

Henderson.
Sterling! Proud
Sturridge.

From the PL:

The OX!!!
Lallana!
Barkley.
Wilshere.
Shaw.
Chelsea has one too, Chalola or something. (Plays in the Championship league)
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Post by Fuchsteufelswild Tue 04 Mar 2014, 01:38

Red Alert wrote:From LFC:

Henderson.
Sterling! Proud
Sturridge.

From the PL:

The OX!!!
Lallana!
Barkley.
Wilshere.
Shaw.
Chelsea has one too, Chalola or something. (Plays in the Championship league)

Define "very good". I see a few good players but no "very good" players. :fishing: 
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Post by Kick Tue 04 Mar 2014, 01:38

Chalobah. YNWA

England does have very good players, Rooney is the most obviousy one so I don't get what this thread is really about.
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Post by Fuchsteufelswild Tue 04 Mar 2014, 01:42

Kick wrote:Chalobah. YNWA

England does have very good players, Rooney is the most obviousy one so I don't get what this thread is really about.

He's Irish though. Even looks like a leprechaun.
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