Re: Jose Mourinho: I admire Arsene Wenger and Arsenal, who are loyal in bad moments - of which there were a lot

by Arquitecto Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:04 am

Red Alert wrote:
sportsczy wrote:And at the end of it, Wenger will be revered as a legend at his club and one of the best EPL managers ever... loved and respected everywhere he's been. Stuck it out with Arsenal when they couldn't spend at all and showed something Mou will never have: Gratitude and loyalty.

While Mourinho will probably end badly. Usually people with big mouths and no class are disdained once they no longer bring the results. It's already pre-ordained for this pathetic excuse of a human being.

Mourinho has the best win % ratio in the league EVER.

He's also won as many league titles as Wenger in 1/5th of the games Arsene has managed.

Wenger will no doubt go down as a legend in the PL, but Mou definitely will too. All of Chelsea's success is pretty much down to Jose.

EDIT: Well, he's won one less. But he has 800+ games to get another one. He's pretty much the favourite to win it this season, too.

In a space of less than 4 years with a cash laden injection of money yearly. Allegri has the 3rd highest winning percentage for Milan yet isn't even in their Top 5 managers. Skewed statistics.

Unless we're forgetting Ranieri who built the team, Di Matteo who won Abramovic's actual target and of course, Roman Abramovic himself.

In completely different circumstances that do not justify even half of the difference between them and the outliers included.

On-Topic: No surprise Mourinho is coming out with another inwardly passive-aggressive comment that typifies that peasant that he is really is as it doesn't surprise me given that Setubal is like the Murcia of Portugal.

Wenger best ignore these comments.

by Blue Barrett Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:25 am

Arry ffs

Shouldn't av bovered Laughing

by BarcaLearning Sat Mar 22, 2014 4:38 pm

Top manager, too bad is a shit loser with no class. Those comments though rofl

by BarcaLearning Sat Mar 22, 2014 4:58 pm

Arquitescu wrote:
Red Alert wrote:
sportsczy wrote:And at the end of it, Wenger will be revered as a legend at his club and one of the best EPL managers ever... loved and respected everywhere he's been. Stuck it out with Arsenal when they couldn't spend at all and showed something Mou will never have: Gratitude and loyalty.

While Mourinho will probably end badly. Usually people with big mouths and no class are disdained once they no longer bring the results. It's already pre-ordained for this pathetic excuse of a human being.

Mourinho has the best win % ratio in the league EVER.

He's also won as many league titles as Wenger in 1/5th of the games Arsene has managed.

Wenger will no doubt go down as a legend in the PL, but Mou definitely will too. All of Chelsea's success is pretty much down to Jose.

EDIT: Well, he's won one less. But he has 800+ games to get another one. He's pretty much the favourite to win it this season, too.

In a space of less than 4 years with a cash laden injection of money yearly. Allegri has the 3rd highest winning percentage for Milan yet isn't even in their Top 5 managers. Skewed statistics.

Unless we're forgetting Ranieri who built the team, Di Matteo who won Abramovic's actual target and of course, Roman Abramovic himself.

In completely different circumstances that do not justify even half of the difference between them and the outliers included.

On-Topic: No surprise Mourinho is coming out with another inwardly passive-aggressive comment that typifies that peasant that he is really is as it doesn't surprise me given that Setubal is like the Murcia of Portugal.

Wenger best ignore these comments.

Hey Arq, I have no idea abut the culture there so just wondering what u meant by the bolded part?

by El Chelsea Fuerte Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:46 pm

Lex wrote:
Zealous wrote:It's just trash talk. If Wenger is so insecure that Jose's comments hurt him then that's his problem
So it's Wenger's fault?

Wenger provoked Mourinho to make those "specialist in failure" comments. Wenger is cunning enough to cry wolf Laughing

These new comments in the OP were not even a dig, honestly, look at the video.

RealGunner wrote:
Red Alert wrote:

He's also won as many league titles as Wenger in 1/5th of the games Arsene has managed.

different circumstances.

Wenger will no doubt go down as a legend in the PL, but Mou definitely will too. All of Chelsea's success is pretty much down to Jose.

Roman not Jose.

Different circumstances? OK but still 3 league titles and 0 Champions League for Wenger in 18 years is pretty bad for a top manager. Not sure how many excuses you can make up for those numbers.

Yes, it's ultimately down to Abramovich, but Jose is equally responsible. You can't just buy trophies, you need to assemble a world class winning squad, and that's hard to do with a team that hasn't won a lot in its history. And the squad Jose build was responsible for the CL success.

by Uncanny Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:54 pm

RealGunner wrote:

Wenger will no doubt go down as a legend in the PL, but Mou definitely will too. All of Chelsea's success is pretty much down to Jose.

Roman not Jose.

Roman is a major part, but Jose is already considered a legend, whether you are butt hurt or not.... Jose's influence since 2004 on Chelsea, all the way to their CL success and Europa success. Ain't no denying.

by Onyx Sat Mar 22, 2014 7:29 pm

At the end of the today it's all about trophies and Mourinho has been more successful.

by RedOranje Sat Mar 22, 2014 7:33 pm

Yohan Modric wrote:At the end of the today it's all about trophies and Mourinho has been more successful.

No it's not.

by Freeza Sat Mar 22, 2014 7:48 pm

It's not all about trophies. I'd rather support a team that plays entertaining football than a more boring style. Trophies are just bonuses.

by Onyx Sat Mar 22, 2014 7:53 pm

To be more specific, it does for a top club.

If you support a top club, the number one thing is you expect is trophies.

How long your manager has been there, what type of football you play etc etc isn't as important as winning trophies.

by ExtremistEnigma Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:00 pm

Freeza wrote:It's not all about trophies. I'd rather support a team that plays entertaining football than a more boring style. Trophies are just bonuses.

That's just delusion speaking lol.

by RedOranje Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:01 pm

Yohan Modric wrote:To be more specific, it does for a top club.

If you support a top club, the number one thing is you expect is trophies.

How long your manager has been there, what type of football you play etc etc isn't as important as winning trophies.

But they are still important things, which means it is not "all about trophies."

by MaestroFavre Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:03 pm

He's probably the master of backhanded compliments. :bow:

by El Chelsea Fuerte Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:31 pm

Yohan Modric wrote:

How long your manager has been there, what type of football you play etc etc isn't as important as winning trophies.

Those two factors you listed are not important at all. Trophies bring money and prestige to clubs...that's all that matters to the club.

by Donuts Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:33 pm

except.. not really
Chelsea's trophies didn't bring them money a rich guy did
Arsenal earns a profit per year despite lack of trophies

by RealGunner Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:38 pm

El Chelsea Fuerte wrote:
Yohan Modric wrote:

How long your manager has been there, what type of football you play etc etc isn't as important as winning trophies.

Those two factors you listed are not important at all. Trophies bring money and prestige to clubs...that's all that matters to the club.

bit ironic considering your trophies came from money rather than the other way round?

by Art Morte Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:43 pm

Wenger >>> Mourinho

for me. But I know it's difficult if not impossible to back that up in terms of tangible achievements.

by Onyx Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:51 pm

RedOranje wrote:
Yohan Modric wrote:To be more specific, it does for a top club.

If you support a top club, the number one thing is you expect is trophies.

How long your manager has been there, what type of football you play etc etc isn't as important as winning trophies.
But they are still important things, which means it is not "all about trophies."

By 'all about trophies' I meant that's what teams/managers get judged on when everything is said and done.

by RedOranje Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:56 pm

And I don't agree with that. Nor, I think, would Portsmouth's fans.

by Zealous Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:03 pm

I'm paraphrasing but Valdano once said "The team that doesn't win trophies has to fill the gap with a story, something intangible."

In essence he's 100% right.

by El Chelsea Fuerte Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:05 pm

RealGunner wrote:
El Chelsea Fuerte wrote:
Yohan Modric wrote:

How long your manager has been there, what type of football you play etc etc isn't as important as winning trophies.

Those two factors you listed are not important at all. Trophies bring money and prestige to clubs...that's all that matters to the club.

bit ironic considering your trophies came from money rather than the other way round?

What has that got to do with the topic in hand? Who buys the club isn't the manager's concern. I'm talking about this from the manager's perspective.

by Le Samourai Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:08 pm

Zealous wrote:I'm paraphrasing but Valdano once said "The team that doesn't win trophies has to fill the gap with a story, something intangible."

In essence he's 100% right.

by RealGunner Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:14 pm

El Chelsea Fuerte wrote:
RealGunner wrote:
El Chelsea Fuerte wrote:
Yohan Modric wrote:

How long your manager has been there, what type of football you play etc etc isn't as important as winning trophies.

Those two factors you listed are not important at all. Trophies bring money and prestige to clubs...that's all that matters to the club.

bit ironic considering your trophies came from money rather than the other way round?

What has that got to do with the topic in hand? Who buys the club isn't the manager's concern. I'm talking about this from the manager's perspective.

And how can a manager win trophies while the club is financially crippled and not afford to sign the best players around without selling their own?

by RealGunner Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:15 pm

Zealous wrote:I'm paraphrasing but Valdano once said "The team that doesn't win trophies has to fill the gap with a story, something intangible."

In essence he's 100% right.

And we have filled that gap with a very very big 60k seater story hmm

by Zealous Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:20 pm

RealGunner wrote:
Zealous wrote:I'm paraphrasing but Valdano once said "The team that doesn't win trophies has to fill the gap with a story, something intangible."

In essence he's 100% right.

And we have filled that gap with a very very big 60k seater story

Again he means that if you don't win you have to change the narrative. Like yeah we didn't win this cup buuuuuut look at X, Y, Z let's talk about that instead.

Intangible success has it's place in sports but it sort of needs trophies to validate it's existence.

by ExtremistEnigma Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:23 pm

Zealous wrote:I'm paraphrasing but Valdano once said "The team that doesn't win trophies has to fill the gap with a story, something intangible."

In essence he's 100% right.

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