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Post by RealGunner Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:01 pm

Disgusting performance.

It's all on Arsene as well.

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Post by Hapless_Hans Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:06 pm

having Sanogo as your first striker until the end of the year really is a bad joke for a ..ahem.."top club"

then again, if he is not the first striker, but Alexis supposedly is meant to be that, why isn't Alexis RESTED when Sanogo plays.
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Post by RED Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:10 pm

They should have bought Remy. I don't understand why they didn't push hard enough for him when they desperately need him. Now Remy signed for Chelsea :facepalm:
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Post by Glory Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:43 pm

RED wrote:They should have bought Remy. I don't understand why they didn't push hard enough for him when they desperately need him. Now Remy signed for Chelsea :facepalm:


yea they let Balotelli go to Pool and Remy go to Chels... :facepalm:

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Post by Art Morte Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:45 pm

What I don't understand is why isn't Wenger giving Campbell more of a chance? He's had good loan spells and a good World Cup for Costa Rica. Sanogo was woeful and has done nothing in the early games of the season to convince. Yet Campbell is hardly getting a chance. Podolski, too, is a rather proven scorer. Sticking with Sanogo seems weird. He just hasn't showcased enough quality, arguably both Campbell and Podolski have showcased more quality.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:58 pm

................Neuer..............
...Boateng..Benatia.Badstuber..
......Lahm.......Alonso.........
Robben......................Alaba
........Müller...........Ribery....
................Sanogo..............

hmm
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Post by Helmer Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:01 pm

Hans I know you are drunk and actually practising for Oktoberfest

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Post by RED Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:17 pm

Art Morte wrote:What I don't understand is why isn't Wenger giving Campbell more of a chance? He's had good loan spells and a good World Cup for Costa Rica. Sanogo was woeful and has done nothing in the early games of the season to convince. Yet Campbell is hardly getting a chance. Podolski, too, is a rather proven scorer. Sticking with Sanogo seems weird. He just hasn't showcased enough quality, arguably both Campbell and Podolski have showcased more quality.


That is a mystery to me too.

but, but, but.....WengerKnows
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Post by Hapless_Hans Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:20 pm

....................Galli.....................
Tassotti..Baresi..Costacurta..Maldini
...........Rijkaard..Ancelotti............
Donadoni........................Evani....
............Sanogo...Gullitt...............

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Post by Kick Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:31 pm

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Post by McAgger Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:31 pm

Dan Kennett ‏@DanKennett 6m
under Rodgers #LFC have kept 9 clean sheets in the 15 EPL matches that Martin Skrtel has not started. Includes the last FIVE in a row

Laughing

And it took an injury for him to get dropped Laughing
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Post by mr-r34 Mon Sep 01, 2014 12:06 am

Don't call me James wrote:Dan Kennett ‏@DanKennett 6m
under Rodgers #LFC have kept 9 clean sheets in the 15 EPL matches that Martin Skrtel has not started. Includes the last FIVE in a row

Laughing

And it took an injury for him to get dropped Laughing


Our CB's Last night hardly looked convincing though.
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Post by Red Alert Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:11 am

mr-r34 wrote:
Don't call me James wrote:Dan Kennett ‏@DanKennett 6m
under Rodgers #LFC have kept 9 clean sheets in the 15 EPL matches that Martin Skrtel has not started. Includes the last FIVE in a row

Laughing

And it took an injury for him to get dropped Laughing


Our CB's Last night hardly looked convincing though.


Trying to make himself feel better that Skrtel has stuck around and Agger has left. lol

Martin, WHERE I'VE STATED FOR THE HUNDREDTH TIME BEFORE HE CONTINUES TO PUTS WORDS IN MY MOUTH TO MAKE HIMSELF FEEL BETTER ABOUT HIMSELF NEEDS TO BE REPLACED AND ACTUALLY BEEN REPLACED WITH QUALITY RATHER THAN INFERIOR PLAYERS LIKE LOVREN, is still arguably our best CB at the club...
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Post by El Gunner Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:15 am

I always genuinely thought Agger was Liverpool's best CB of the all the CB scrubs they have.
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Post by Red Alert Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:17 am

Sakho is easily our best CB.

He just needs a consistent set of games to show that.

Agger was great, but faded around 2 years ago. No idea how we replaced Agger for Lovren. He's inferior, and we spent 17m on the "upgrade" ffs. :facepalm:
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Post by mr-r34 Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:48 am

Did i read it wrong or within the space of 6 minutes did you just go from Martin to Sahko as being our best CB.
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Post by Red Alert Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:54 am

Sakho is better, but Martin is arguably one of the best at the club...
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Post by Motogp69 Mon Sep 01, 2014 3:57 pm

First tactical poor performance by Poch. The key to Poch's "system" has always been the press and there was none of it yesterday. Most will use the Europa excuse, but that would be bullshit as the only player that played any measurable minutes on Thursday was Kaboul and he never runs anyways.

For me the performance came down to Eriksen and Bentaleb. Eriksen just hasn't looked good at all since the arrival of Poch. He has been given the free role with Lamela so he doesn't lose effectiveness out on the left as he did under AVB and Sherwood. Oddly, he excelled in the free role at Ajax but he has yet to do well in the same role at Spurs without a forward who can combine play ala Soldado.

Bentaleb is a good prospect, but he should only be used against the QPR's of the world. The problem is that he doesn't move the ball quick enough in transition when there is actual pressure. He will learn, and I actually quite like the kid, but he shouldn't be starting. However, I think that has more to do with Paulinho and Dembele coming back from the World Cup and not yet being fully fit.

Honestly though, I am not sure we have an answer for the second issue in our current squad. You know my affinity for Dembele but while I think he has the skill set he is just too slow for what we need against better teams. Paulinho might be the choice here whether I like it or not.

Deadline day is going to be huge for Spurs as they are about 2 players away from legitimately pushing for top 4 assuming we don't make the wrong sales.
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Post by McAgger Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:42 pm

It wasn't Poch's fault, Rodgers is just a better tactician than he is. Proud
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:49 pm

2 players away rofl

Also quite easy to implement your ideas on QPR and West Ham.
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Post by CBarca Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:01 pm

It will take time. Yesterday's result was expected.

Scoreline was a bit inflated because Townsend is an idiot and a BS penalty, but Liverpool deserved to win either way. The performance was meh.

Spurs offense continues to be slow and sluggish when opposition defends in numbers. Not enough combination play, I expect this to improve. This is partially why I think I would rather see Soldado playing with Eriksen, Lamela and Chadli. Still, he hasn't really shown enough to be better than ahead of Ade- and Ade continues to be inconsistent af.

Either way, new coach, new style of play, playing with players who didn't get to often play in the same starting XI last year (Chadli, Capoue, Lamela, Dier, Rose for first half of season). It will take time, as long as Tottenham pick up the points against the lower league teams then I think improved performances against the better teams will happen in time.
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Post by The Franchise Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:21 pm

Pressing a 442 diamond isnt so easy.

When your playing 4231 like Spurs was, the wingers take the Pool fullbacks. Then your playing 4 v 3 as Eriksen, Bentaleb and Capoue (was it him who started?) has to try and get to grips with the 4 Pool players in the middle. That leaves on of the CB's free and Gerrard free. If Eriksen presses up on Gerrard then it leaves Henderson or Allen free, unless Bentaleb and Capoue push up and leave the even more dangerous Sterling free. Fullbacks dont want to come all the way inside to help because that leaves 2 v 2 at the back, suicide of your against what Pool have up there.

Really, Spurs had no real idea how to play any sort of pressing game in their system vs Pools.
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Post by McAgger Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:22 pm

Dani funny thing Pochetino did this same exact thing last season at St.Mary's with Southampton against us.

Guess what we did. 4-4-2 diamond. Laughing

Result? 0-3 Liverpool
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Post by The Franchise Mon Sep 01, 2014 11:28 pm

Didnt know that. You would imagine he would of known and come up with a better alternative.
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Post by Motogp69 Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:36 am

I don't know why Liverpool don't run the 4/4/2 diamond more since they were undefeated when deploying it last season in the league.
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Post by DeletedUser#1 Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:41 am

Motogp69 wrote:I don't know why Liverpool don't run the 4/4/2 diamond more since they were undefeated when deploying it last season in the league.


Now that Balotelli has signed, it'll be our primary formation.

We look so much more fluid and dangerous with 4-4-2 diamond. It brings the best of most of our key players namely Sterling and Sturridge.

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