Re: The Official Balon d'Or 2014 Thread

[rwo power]

which legendary player in football history that have mentality as desperate as cronaldo in order to become the best?
pele? cruyff? di stefano? eusebio?

Oliver Kahn.

[Freeza]

Maradona had the same mentality. Messi almost won Barca a title with a handball goal. Can't really see what's so horrible about it, it's the refs job to handle the players and not the other way around. Every striker in the world has dived for a penalty.

[guest_07]

Maradona had the same mentality. Messi almost won Barca a title with a handball goal. Can't really see what's so horrible about it, it's the refs job to handle the players and not the other way around. Every striker in the world has dived for a penalty.

did it once or twice = did it almost as a routine?

[Doc]

Didn't know Riquelme was nominated this year. Must have been a misprint in the ballots.

Cristiano is a diving lil poop head but he is still one of the best players currently in the world. This is something one is gonna have to accept whether they like it or not.

Spoiler:

[Hapless_Hans]

of course he is.

[Bankz]

It's time for Madrid's favourite game, "since 2009........".

Since 2009:

Messi = 201 La Liga goals.
Ronaldo = 200 La Liga goals.

All competitions since 2009:

Messi = 293 goals.
Ronaldo = 281 goals...

[izzy]

It's time for Madrid's favourite game, "since 2009........".

Since 2009:

Messi = 201 La Liga goals.
Ronaldo = 200 La Liga goals.

All competitions since 2009:

Messi = 293 goals.
Ronaldo = 281 goals...

Ooooh my turn, since I know your lot LOVE to omit this stat........

Games played in La Liga since Ronaldo joined;

CR = 178 games
Messi = 182 games




Context = a term lost a specific group of people.....

[Donuts]

I don't feel like entering the endless messi vs ronaldo debates.. but i do wonder, the people in favor of messi why do you guys keep posting goal stats to prove your point...

Ronaldo's biggest asset to his game is goal scoring the rest is really average at best, whereas messi offers so much more then just scoring, and even then he draws level or more goals then ronaldo.

also fun fact while i'm here
barcastuff @barcastuff
17 of Messi's 21 Liga hat-tricks are pure hat-tricks, not including any penalty or dive #fcblive Ronaldo: 9 pure ones of 23

[farfan]

I don't feel like entering the endless messi vs ronaldo debates..

now that's rich

[halamadrid2]

Ronaldo has more goals and assists than Messi bitch please, probably why Messi's stalker hasn't posted in a while. Ronaldo also tracks more that in itself is worthy of effort d'or imo

[RealGunner]

This is a balon d'Or thread. Not Messi vs Ronaldo stat comparison thread

[Freeza]

This is a balon d'Or thread. Not Messi vs Ronaldo stat comparison thread

Well it's relevant since they're going to be the top 2

and any rational human being would see stats are the only way to determine an award in a rational objective manner which is also very rational

[farfan]

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also fun fact while i'm here
barcastuff @barcastuff
17 of Messi's 21 Liga hat-tricks are pure hat-tricks, not including any penalty or dive #fcblive Ronaldo: 9 pure ones of 23

"pure hat-tricks "

" ronaldo , the top assist provider in la liga is average at everything other than scoring "

[Donuts]

do you offer anything to a conversation other then quotes? how am i supposed to reply to you without a proper argument back.

[farfan]

do you offer anything to a conversation other then quotes? how am i supposed to reply to you without a proper argument back.

nothing you said merits a serious response or a proper counter argument .

" pure hatricks " ? GTFO
" ronaldo AVERAGE at EVERYTHING other than scoring " ? GTFO

[Donuts]

pure hat tricks = not scoring penalties in the hat trick whats hard to understand that?

average at best is probably too harsh but i wouldn't exactly call him a world class creator / defender
that would be a disservice to the actual good players like kroos/iniesta/cesc etc etc.
or top defenders.

and please stop using stats as your arguments im not jiopsi
assist # do not show anything, xavi has less assists then dani alves does that mean he's better in creating? clearly no..

[Mr Nick09]

i thought the perfect hat trick was left, right and header? oh well, new definitions when it's convenient.

anyway...

"Messi/Ronaldo scored another hat-trick the other night." "Aye, but did you see Neuer come miles off his line and punt the ball into touch?"

[farfan]

pure hat tricks = not scoring penalties in the hat trick whats hard to understand that?

average at best is probably too harsh but i wouldn't exactly call him a world class creator / defender
that would be a disservice to the actual good players like kroos/iniesta/cesc etc etc.
or top defenders.

and please stop using stats as your arguments im not jiopsi
assist # do not show anything, xavi has less assists then dani alves does that mean he's better in creating? clearly no..

a hatrick is a hatrick  

who decided that a penalty is worth less than a one meter tap in  for example ?  coming up with something like that the moment ronaldo breaks a liga record is something harmoncia would do .

i never claimed that ronaldo is a world class creator , it's not his job . but he's far from being average at it .
in fact the only thing he's average at is tracking back and defending , but he sill does it better than 2014 messi .

[Doc]

What the hell is a pure hattrick? Is that like a wide assist? Or a box to box full back?

[Donuts]

it's over hyped, put Ronaldo in Modric or Kroos position for the whole game and he'll be average at best
put messi in iniesta and xavi's position.. oh wait he already does that.

[izzy]

it's over hyped, put Ronaldo in Modric or Kroos position for the whole game and he'll be average at best
put messi in iniesta and xavi's position.. oh wait he already does that.

Wait............

[rwo power]

a hatrick is a hatrick  

Actually not. In Germany, a hattrick is when a player scores three consecutive goals in one half of the match. THat's what we call "A lupenreiner Hattrick". Otherwise you just scored three goals

[Doc]

Is it 3 pure goals?

[rwo power]

Well, it is three goals that counted, so it can be a penalty, too, I guess.

[Hapless_Hans]

Is it 3 pure goals?

It's a complicated calculation, as there are several degrees of purity involved.
For example, if you score from less than 7 meters, it's only 75% pure, as that's merely a tap in.
If you score from more than 25 meters however, it's not 100% either but 85%, as one has to assume the goalie should have done better.
If it's deflected there's more percentage deducted, varying on the angle of deflection the ball took.
If the goalie has a touch before it's the goal, there's -10% if he reaches it with fingertips, -30% if he has the hand on it but doesn't manage to keep it out.

[Mr Nick09]

if Neuer comes off his line and you score past him, does the purity level go up?

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