why riquelme is so underrated in goallegacy?

More than Ayala ( I appreciated him though ) I'd say Walter Samuel. For me he is massively underrated abroad , even here I remind to have wrote a similar thread than this about Samuel and just BC responded it.
Well for me he is easily in my top 5 defenders seen (yet rarely I read him in that list of great old defenders.. )  a beast, maybe it's because of that his experience in Madrid ... but hell... there is a problem with old Boca legends
About it , it 's melancholy to think about that Real - Boca 2000 (with Riquelme MOTD  ,probably he was signed by Barca also for that match) compared to actual FIFA Club World Cup winner where the South Americans struggle with African teams

is Riquelme really  underrated  ?

for a player who never played in a " big " european team ( outside of a horrible year at the worst barça in history ) nor did   accomplish anything noteworthy with his national team , i think Riquelme gets talked about fairly well .

most people would rate him above someone like Veron ,a player who had a much more stellar career than him .

farfan wrote:is Riquelme really  underrated  ?

for a player who never played in a " big " european team ( outside of a horrible year at the worst barça in history ) nor did   accomplish anything noteworthy with his national team , i think Riquelme gets talked about fairly well .

most people would rate him above someone like Veron ,a player who had  a much more stellar career than him .

what do you mean by that, farfan?

smh, okay, i'm seeing names like walter samuel (flopped at madrid, though to be fair to him did well in serie a) , valeron, ayala, riquelme etc. how do you expect any of these guys to be rated? if you're a depor, valencia, or boca fan obviously you'll rate them highly and you have every right to, but when you all say "underrated" i hope you don't mean that their names should be at the top echelon of footballers.

that term is so broad, underrated in relation to what? when valeron was at his peak he was fantastic, and it left an impression for depor fans, but was it enough to garner the attention of a broader audience? and btw all those names, even on their teams (maybe besides riquelme), there are people i'd rate above them as more influential.

if you mean they are 'underrated' because as good as they are they seem largely forgotten, then yes, that may be true, and its not just them, on those teams that had those players you had guys like djalminha, roy makaay, tristan, mendieta, aimar, baraja, vicente, rufete, chivu, cordoba, and the list goes on. if you mean 'underrated' from the standpoint that they should be considered better than others who made moves at the elite level, then that i would have to disagree with....

btw veron for some reason is being slandered here, once again, veron and riquelme, two different positions. riquelme attacking mid, veron central mid. from an offensive standpoint, it might be best to go with riquelme, but veron i think had the better peak and i might lean towards veron's value at parma and lazio over riquelme's .....as far as the national team goes, i think riquelme had more influence than veron......difficult to argue between the two though, different positions and neither won anything major with the national team (as far as world cups and copa americas)...veron did flop in 02 tho

titosantill wrote:smh, okay, i'm seeing names like walter samuel (flopped at madrid, though to be fair to him did well in serie a) , valeron, ayala, riquelme etc. how do you expect any of these guys to be rated? if you're a depor, valencia, or boca fan obviously you'll rate them highly and you have every right to, but when you all say "underrated" i hope you don't mean that their names should be at the top echelon of footballers.

that term is so broad, underrated in relation to what? when valeron was at his peak he was fantastic, and it left an impression for depor fans, but was it enough to garner the attention of a broader audience? and btw all those names, even on their teams (maybe besides riquelme), there are people i'd rate above them as more influential.

if you mean they are 'underrated' because as good as they are they seem largely forgotten, then yes, that may be true, and its not just them, on those teams that had those players you had guys like djalminha, roy makaay, tristan, mendieta, aimar, baraja, vicente, rufete, chivu, cordoba, and the list goes on. if you mean 'underrated' from the standpoint that they should be considered better than others who made moves at the elite level, then that i would have to disagree with....

btw veron for some reason is being slandered here, once again, veron and riquelme, two different positions. riquelme attacking mid, veron central mid. from an offensive standpoint, it might be best to go with riquelme, but veron i think had the better peak and i might lean towards veron's value at parma and lazio over riquelme's .....as far as the national team goes, i think riquelme had more influence than veron......difficult to argue between the two though, different positions and neither won anything major with the national team (as far as world cups and copa americas)...veron did flop in 02 tho

what is more unique with riquelme, he always managed to stand out at will vs world best player in that time

vs figo (2001 world best player) in boca 2 real 1 (intercontinental cup)
vs ronaldinho (2005 world best player) in villarreal 3 barca 0 (la liga, home leg)

player like riquelme, you can simply throw him into any team you want, even hull or norwich & that team can challenge the best team in the world without playing parking the bus tactic, as long as you give him the role that he wanted, proven many times

guest_07 wrote:

titosantill wrote:smh, okay, i'm seeing names like walter samuel (flopped at madrid, though to be fair to him did well in serie a) , valeron, ayala, riquelme etc. how do you expect any of these guys to be rated? if you're a depor, valencia, or boca fan obviously you'll rate them highly and you have every right to, but when you all say "underrated" i hope you don't mean that their names should be at the top echelon of footballers.

that term is so broad, underrated in relation to what? when valeron was at his peak he was fantastic, and it left an impression for depor fans, but was it enough to garner the attention of a broader audience? and btw all those names, even on their teams (maybe besides riquelme), there are people i'd rate above them as more influential.

if you mean they are 'underrated' because as good as they are they seem largely forgotten, then yes, that may be true, and its not just them, on those teams that had those players you had guys like djalminha, roy makaay, tristan, mendieta, aimar, baraja, vicente, rufete, chivu, cordoba, and the list goes on. if you mean 'underrated' from the standpoint that they should be considered better than others who made moves at the elite level, then that i would have to disagree with....

btw veron for some reason is being slandered here, once again, veron and riquelme, two different positions. riquelme attacking mid, veron central mid. from an offensive standpoint, it might be best to go with riquelme, but veron i think had the better peak and i might lean towards veron's value at parma and lazio over riquelme's .....as far as the national team goes, i think riquelme had more influence than veron......difficult to argue between the two though, different positions and neither won anything major with the national team (as far as world cups and copa americas)...veron did flop in 02 tho

what is more unique with riquelme, he always managed to stand out at will vs world best player in that time

vs figo (2001 world best player) in boca 2 real 1 (intercontinental cup)
vs ronaldinho (2005 world best player) in villarreal 3 barca 0 (la liga, home leg)

player like riquelme, you can simply throw him into any team you want, even hull or norwich & that team can challenge the best team in the world without playing parking the bus tactic, as long as you give him the role that he wanted, proven many times

but the question is. would Liverpool have got 4th if we had riquelme this season

MR BOND wrote:

guest_07 wrote:

titosantill wrote:smh, okay, i'm seeing names like walter samuel (flopped at madrid, though to be fair to him did well in serie a) , valeron, ayala, riquelme etc. how do you expect any of these guys to be rated? if you're a depor, valencia, or boca fan obviously you'll rate them highly and you have every right to, but when you all say "underrated" i hope you don't mean that their names should be at the top echelon of footballers.

that term is so broad, underrated in relation to what? when valeron was at his peak he was fantastic, and it left an impression for depor fans, but was it enough to garner the attention of a broader audience? and btw all those names, even on their teams (maybe besides riquelme), there are people i'd rate above them as more influential.

if you mean they are 'underrated' because as good as they are they seem largely forgotten, then yes, that may be true, and its not just them, on those teams that had those players you had guys like djalminha, roy makaay, tristan, mendieta, aimar, baraja, vicente, rufete, chivu, cordoba, and the list goes on. if you mean 'underrated' from the standpoint that they should be considered better than others who made moves at the elite level, then that i would have to disagree with....

btw veron for some reason is being slandered here, once again, veron and riquelme, two different positions. riquelme attacking mid, veron central mid. from an offensive standpoint, it might be best to go with riquelme, but veron i think had the better peak and i might lean towards veron's value at parma and lazio over riquelme's .....as far as the national team goes, i think riquelme had more influence than veron......difficult to argue between the two though, different positions and neither won anything major with the national team (as far as world cups and copa americas)...veron did flop in 02 tho

what is more unique with riquelme, he always managed to stand out at will vs world best player in that time

vs figo (2001 world best player) in boca 2 real 1 (intercontinental cup)
vs ronaldinho (2005 world best player) in villarreal 3 barca 0 (la liga, home leg)

player like riquelme, you can simply throw him into any team you want, even hull or norwich & that team can challenge the best team in the world without playing parking the bus tactic, as long as you give him the role that he wanted, proven many times

but the question is. would Liverpool have got 4th if we had riquelme this season

probably, as long as you give him the role that he wanted, free role playmaker

guest_07 wrote:

MR BOND wrote:

guest_07 wrote:

what is more unique with riquelme, he always managed to stand out at will vs world best player in that time

vs figo (2001 world best player) in boca 2 real 1 (intercontinental cup)
vs ronaldinho (2005 world best player) in villarreal 3 barca 0 (la liga, home leg)

player like riquelme, you can simply throw him into any team you want, even hull or norwich & that team can challenge the best team in the world without playing parking the bus tactic, as long as you give him the role that he wanted, proven many times

but the question is. would Liverpool have got 4th if we had riquelme this season

probably, as long as you give him the role that he wanted, free role playmaker

jesus Christ would not have got us 4th this season mate.

MR BOND wrote:

guest_07 wrote:

MR BOND wrote: but the question is. would Liverpool have got 4th if we had riquelme this season

probably, as long as you give him the role that he wanted, free role playmaker

jesus Christ would not have got us 4th this season mate.

how come you know it when you never try it

riquelme was the special one

did you know that his best goal came in 2012 when he was already 34 years old, mind you, he had so many superb goals in his entire career, & to me, scoring was his 3rd best skill

guest_07 wrote:

MR BOND wrote:

guest_07 wrote:


probably, as long as you give him the role that he wanted, free role playmaker

jesus Christ would not have got us 4th this season mate.

how come you know it when you never try it

riquelme was the special one

did you know that his best goal came in 2012 when he was already 34 years old, mind you, he had so many superb goals in his entire career, & to me, scoring was his 3rd best skill

nope. I didn't know that.

MR BOND wrote:

guest_07 wrote:

MR BOND wrote:
jesus Christ would not have got us 4th this season mate.

how come you know it when you never try it

riquelme was the special one

did you know that his best goal came in 2012 when he was already 34 years old, mind you, he had so many superb goals in his entire career, & to me, scoring was his 3rd best skill

nope. I didn't know that.

guest_07 wrote:

MR BOND wrote:

guest_07 wrote:


how come you know it when you never try it

riquelme was the special one

did you know that his best goal came in 2012 when he was already 34 years old, mind you, he had so many superb goals in his entire career, & to me, scoring was his 3rd best skill

nope. I didn't know that.

tbf that was a cracker.

MR BOND wrote:

guest_07 wrote:

MR BOND wrote: nope. I didn't know that.

tbf that was a cracker.

to make it more interesting, that goal was a crucial one that sent out the 2012 club world cup champion, corinthians in libertadores qfinal, boca juniors managed to take revenge after loss to same team in 2012 libertadores final before that

(correction, that goal actually in 2013 & riquelme aged 35 years old)

titosantill wrote:smh, okay, i'm seeing names like walter samuel (flopped at madrid, though to be fair to him did well in serie a) , valeron, ayala, riquelme etc. how do you expect any of these guys to be rated? if you're a depor, valencia, or boca fan obviously you'll rate them highly and you have every right to, but when you all say "underrated" i hope you don't mean that their names should be at the top echelon of footballers.

that term is so broad, underrated in relation to what? when valeron was at his peak he was fantastic, and it left an impression for depor fans, but was it enough to garner the attention of a broader audience? and btw all those names, even on their teams (maybe besides riquelme), there are people i'd rate above them as more influential.

if you mean they are 'underrated' because as good as they are they seem largely forgotten, then yes, that may be true, and its not just them, on those teams that had those players you had guys like djalminha, roy makaay, tristan, mendieta, aimar, baraja, vicente, rufete, chivu, cordoba, and the list goes on. if you mean 'underrated' from the standpoint that they should be considered better than others who made moves at the elite level, then that i would have to disagree with....

Not better but around the same level.

I'm a bit iffy on Rufete and Djalminha being consider elite from that list tho.

But as for everyone else I feel they could be talked about in the same breath as say Pires, Ibra, Totti, and the like. I'm only judging by sheer capabilities of the players and not their trophies they may or may not have won.

titosantill wrote:smh, okay, i'm seeing names like walter samuel (flopped at madrid, though to be fair to him did well in serie a) , valeron, ayala, riquelme etc. how do you expect any of these guys to be rated? if you're a depor, valencia, or boca fan obviously you'll rate them highly and you have every right to, but when you all say "underrated" i hope you don't mean that their names should be at the top echelon of footballers.

that term is so broad, underrated in relation to what? when valeron was at his peak he was fantastic, and it left an impression for depor fans, but was it enough to garner the attention of a broader audience? and btw all those names, even on their teams (maybe besides riquelme), there are people i'd rate above them as more influential.

if you mean they are 'underrated' because as good as they are they seem largely forgotten, then yes, that may be true, and its not just them, on those teams that had those players you had guys like djalminha, roy makaay, tristan, mendieta, aimar, baraja, vicente, rufete, chivu, cordoba, and the list goes on. if you mean 'underrated' from the standpoint that they should be considered better than others who made moves at the elite level, then that i would have to disagree with....

btw veron for some reason is being slandered here, once again, veron and riquelme, two different positions. riquelme attacking mid, veron central mid. from an offensive standpoint, it might be best to go with riquelme, but veron i think had the better peak and i might lean towards veron's value at parma and lazio over riquelme's .....as far as the national team goes, i think riquelme had more influence than veron......difficult to argue between the two though, different positions and neither won anything major with the national team (as far as world cups and copa americas)...veron did flop in 02 tho

It is not because of Samuel if Real Madrid was a circus in 2004  with a team built  with No balance
It is not because of Samuel , it is because of Real Madrid. You ruined him, simply.
But yes , Metzelder and Gravesen were better.

Lord Awesome wrote:

titosantill wrote:smh, okay, i'm seeing names like walter samuel (flopped at madrid, though to be fair to him did well in serie a) , valeron, ayala, riquelme etc. how do you expect any of these guys to be rated? if you're a depor, valencia, or boca fan obviously you'll rate them highly and you have every right to, but when you all say "underrated" i hope you don't mean that their names should be at the top echelon of footballers.

that term is so broad, underrated in relation to what? when valeron was at his peak he was fantastic, and it left an impression for depor fans, but was it enough to garner the attention of a broader audience? and btw all those names, even on their teams (maybe besides riquelme), there are people i'd rate above them as more influential.

if you mean they are 'underrated' because as good as they are they seem largely forgotten, then yes, that may be true, and its not just them, on those teams that had those players you had guys like djalminha, roy makaay, tristan, mendieta, aimar, baraja, vicente, rufete, chivu, cordoba, and the list goes on. if you mean 'underrated' from the standpoint that they should be considered better than others who made moves at the elite level, then that i would have to disagree with....

Not better but around the same level.

I'm a bit iffy on Rufete and Djalminha being consider elite from that list tho.

But as for everyone else I feel they could be talked about in the same breath as say Pires, Ibra, Totti, and the like. I'm only judging by sheer capabilities of the players and not their trophies they may or may not have won.

that's is the correct thinking, player should be judge on their ability, trophies just a surplus

team won you the trophy, best player just a part of it

Robespierre wrote:

titosantill wrote:smh, okay, i'm seeing names like walter samuel (flopped at madrid, though to be fair to him did well in serie a) , valeron, ayala, riquelme etc. how do you expect any of these guys to be rated? if you're a depor, valencia, or boca fan obviously you'll rate them highly and you have every right to, but when you all say "underrated" i hope you don't mean that their names should be at the top echelon of footballers.

that term is so broad, underrated in relation to what? when valeron was at his peak he was fantastic, and it left an impression for depor fans, but was it enough to garner the attention of a broader audience? and btw all those names, even on their teams (maybe besides riquelme), there are people i'd rate above them as more influential.

if you mean they are 'underrated' because as good as they are they seem largely forgotten, then yes, that may be true, and its not just them, on those teams that had those players you had guys like djalminha, roy makaay, tristan, mendieta, aimar, baraja, vicente, rufete, chivu, cordoba, and the list goes on. if you mean 'underrated' from the standpoint that they should be considered better than others who made moves at the elite level, then that i would have to disagree with....

btw veron for some reason is being slandered here, once again, veron and riquelme, two different positions. riquelme attacking mid, veron central mid. from an offensive standpoint, it might be best to go with riquelme, but veron i think had the better peak and i might lean towards veron's value at parma and lazio over riquelme's .....as far as the national team goes, i think riquelme had more influence than veron......difficult to argue between the two though, different positions and neither won anything major with the national team (as far as world cups and copa americas)...veron did flop in 02 tho

It is not because of Samuel if Real Madrid was a circus in 2004  with a team built  with No balance
It is not because of Samuel , it is because of Real Madrid. You ruined him, simply.
But yes , Metzelder and Gravesen were better.

walter samuel was not called "the wall" without reason

however real succeed in breaking that wall, pity

@lordawesome, i agree with those people being on a similar level to pires, ibra, totti et al (i might rank totti above them, but i won't put him on the upper echelon) . @robespierre, we take full responsibility for samuel, it was a tough time for anyone to join madrid, that team needed a disciplinarian, hence capello....lol gravesen, woodgate, pavon, diogo, memories

if you judge players solely on ability, recoba might be the best player of all time, whilst he definitely has more talent and abilities than a lot of players, there are way too many guys i'd pick before even considering recoba, if i'm building a team, hence why we look at a player's value to a team in terms of him bringing success (not necessarily just taking titles at face value, considering there are scrubs who were lucky to be on certain championship teams)

titosantill wrote:@lordawesome, i agree with those people being on a similar level to pires, ibra, totti et al (i might rank totti above them, but i won't put him on the upper echelon) . @robespierre, we take full responsibility for samuel, it was a tough time for anyone to join madrid, that team needed a disciplinarian, hence capello....lol gravesen, woodgate, pavon, diogo, memories

if you judge players solely on ability, recoba might be the best player of all time, whilst he definitely has more talent and abilities than a lot of players, there are way too many guys i'd pick before even considering recoba, if i'm building a team, hence why we look at a player's value to a team in terms of him bringing success (not necessarily just taking titles at face value, considering there are scrubs who were lucky to be on certain championship teams)

but to me, riquelme was more consistent than recoba, & by the way, riquelme always stand out above recoba every time they met

exactly, which is one of the reasons there are other people i'd consider on my team. the recoba example wasn't necessarily a comparison but rather an example to show one can have the talent and ability, but what we crave is to see that exhibited consistently and at the highest level of the sport

titosantill wrote:exactly, which is one of the reasons there are other people i'd consider on my team. the recoba example wasn't necessarily a comparison but rather an example to show one can have  the talent and ability, but what we crave is to see that exhibited consistently and at the highest level of the sport

what make me sad when i talk about riquelme as one of the best playmaker in football history, others called me hipster & delusion

very good player can't almost produce superb performance every time against the very best

the special one would

riquelme was one of them

to him, to beat the very best, is not necessary by playing with big team, any team can, not just beat the very best, but beat with style, that is awesome

riquelme stat AS KEY PLAYER in MAIN KNOCKOUT TOURNAMENT:

1) 20 y.o. = boca juniors = 1998 world cup u20 = WON IT

2) 22 y.o. = boca juniors = 2000 libertadores cup = WON IT

3) 23 y.o. = boca juniors = 2001 libertadores cup = WON IT

4) 26 y.o. = villarreal = 2004 uefa cup = semifinalist

5) 27 y.o. = villarreal = 2005 uefa cup = quarterfinalist

6) 28 y.o. = villarreal = 2006 champions league = semifinalist
= argentina = 2006 world cup = quarterfinalist

7) 29 y.o. = boca juniors = 2007 libertadores cup = WON IT
= argentina = 2007 copa america = FINALIST

30 y.o. = boca juniors = 2008 libertadores cup = semifinalist
= argentina = 2008 olympic football = WON IT

9) 31 y.o. = boca juniors = 2009 libertadores cup = round 16

10) 34 y.o. = boca juniors = 2012 libertadores cup = FINALIST

11) 35 y.o. = boca juniors = 2013 libertadores cup = quarterfinalist

stat:
5 times champion
2 times finalist
3 times semifinalist
3 times quarterfinalist
1 time round 16

NEVER PLAYED AS KEY PLAYER IN THE TEAM THAT LOSS IN THE FIRST STAGE OF MAIN KNOCKOUT TOURNAMENT

meanwhile, one of his rival:

a) xavi hernandez
1) lost in group stage in 2001 cl (barca)
2) lost in group stage in 2014 wc (spain)

Important trophies won = 0

Freeza wrote:Important trophies won = 0

1 player can win you trophy, freeza logic

LOL

guest_07 wrote:

Freeza wrote:Important trophies won = 0

1 player can win you trophy, freeza logic

LOL

If that's not your point. Then why are you posting which he did win?

Freeza wrote:

guest_07 wrote:

Freeza wrote:Important trophies won = 0

1 player can win you trophy, freeza logic

LOL

If that's not your point. Then why are you posting which he did win?

ok, i'm sorry, i'm wrong here

peace