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Post by farfan Sat 14 May 2016 - 23:57

Also remember few years ago some Serie A fans were like " Ronaldo and Messi would never be able to score 35+ goals in Serie A because it's too tactical etc.. "

Just lol . Proud

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Post by sportsczy Sun 15 May 2016 - 0:35

Well Cavani scored 30 or more goals 3 straight seasons for Napoli before leaving for PSG....  31, 33 and 38 in chronological order.  And Napoli were in Europe all 3 years where he had 19 goals in 25 games for them (5 goals in 8 CL games).  So you couldn't say he didn't do it against Europe's best.  Huge goals in the biggest games both in Serie A and Europe.  Juve fans remember very well how he played against them as do Milan.

I understand this was a great season for Higuain... but no CL and it's his first time breaking 30 in his career.  By far his best season.  Let's see if he can do it again and can impact CL like Cavani did for Napoli.

Similar types though...  not the best technically but get a lot of goals through effort.  Cavani is just an athlete while Higuain bring a lot of intensity.  Doesn't really fit well with Messi and Di Maria as those two guys are super technical and are looking for that kind of flair at the CF position.  I thought Aguero would be perfect for Argentina but he can't stay healthy Laughing  Higuain's intensity works against him when the games are really super pressurized...  he almost psyches himself out.  If something goes wrong, the air goes out of his balloon.  Maybe he's changed.  This is the first season I've seen him not choke in big moments.  We'll see.
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Post by breva Sun 15 May 2016 - 2:09

futbol wrote:The record was set in Serie A. Higuain is playing in Serie zZZZzZ. Wrong league, m7+1

I am trying to figure out if you are a troll that stalks threads where Serie A fans post, or you have a history that makes your constant Serie Z a term of endearment.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Sun 15 May 2016 - 2:27

sportsczy wrote:Similar types though...  not the best technically but get a lot of goals through effort.  Cavani is just an athlete while Higuain bring a lot of intensity.  Doesn't really fit well with Messi and Di Maria as those two guys are super technical and are looking for that kind of flair at the CF position.  I thought Aguero would be perfect for Argentina but he can't stay healthy Laughing  Higuain's intensity works against him when the games are really super pressurized...  he almost psyches himself out.  If something goes wrong, the air goes out of his balloon.  Maybe he's changed.  This is the first season I've seen him not choke in big moments.  We'll see.


Here is low-technique Pipa scoring a boring yet efficient goal:

https://streamable.com/d3si

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Post by sportsczy Sun 15 May 2016 - 2:35

Even a broken clock gets the time right twice a day...

Come on now.  It's pretty clear that Higuain is no technician.  He's not horrible like Gomez or Mandzu.  But he's on the lower end of the spectrum.  This isn't news.  I could probably dig up a couple of goals in Mandzu's career that would fool you too unless you've watched him lol.

Cavani has had some pretty goals too... but nobody is going to accuse him of being a technical player either.  In fact, here's one (you'd think he's R9 if this is all you've ever seen of him lol):

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Post by McAgger Sun 15 May 2016 - 3:08

LMAO please stahp Sportz.

Cavani can't even score 20 league goals in UnLigue. He also never cracked the 30 goal barrier in Serie A.

Pipita just set the all time record. :bow:
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Post by zizzle Sun 15 May 2016 - 3:16

Higuain this season was more than the poacher he used to be in the past. Elite striker indeed..
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Post by farfan Sun 15 May 2016 - 3:39

If Higuain has low technique then Cavani has negative technique . Laughing

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Post by BarrileteCosmico Sun 15 May 2016 - 3:41

sportsczy wrote:Even a broken clock gets the time right twice a day...

Come on now.  It's pretty clear that Higuain is no technician.  He's not horrible like Gomez or Mandzu.  But he's on the lower end of the spectrum.


Lower end of the spectrum Laughing Just goes to show how little you've seen of him since his Madrid days...

https://streamable.com/7uqq



https://gfycat.com/YellowGentleAmurstarfish


He is, at his worst, in the middle of the pack.
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Post by McAgger Sun 15 May 2016 - 3:50

The only strikers I can confidently say have been better than him this season are Suarez and Lewa.

He's been as impressive, if not more so, then Aguero, Benz, Ibra, Auba, etc.
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Post by Gil Sun 15 May 2016 - 4:03

He's easily been the best striker in the World this season. Scoring 36 goals for Napoli is unbelievable. He would've hit 40 if not for the suspension.
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Post by chad4401 Sun 15 May 2016 - 4:13

good season for him but still needs to not flop in the cl just saying.
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Post by sportsczy Sun 15 May 2016 - 4:46

Don't call me James wrote:LMAO please stahp Sportz.

Cavani can't even score 20 league goals in UnLigue. He also never cracked the 30 goal barrier in Serie A.

Pipita just set the all time record. :bow:

He's playing winger. Difficult to score when you're 30 meters from goal to the side lol. He's a poor winger... and that's fine. When Ibra had a lot of injury problems last season, Cavani ended up with 31 goals since he played CF mostly (about 2/3 of the time).

Even this season, he ended up with 24 goals as a winger.
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Post by zizzle Sun 15 May 2016 - 4:48

BarrileteCosmico wrote:
Spoiler:


horrible defending from Juan Laughing
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Post by farfan Sun 15 May 2016 - 4:53

sportsczy wrote:
Don't call me James wrote:LMAO please stahp Sportz.

Cavani can't even score 20 league goals in UnLigue. He also never cracked the 30 goal barrier in Serie A.

Pipita just set the all time record. :bow:

He's playing winger.  Difficult to score when you're 30 meters from goal to the side lol.  He's a poor winger... and that's fine.  When Ibra had a lot of injury problems last season, Cavani ended up with 31 goals since he played CF mostly (about 2/3 of the time).

Even this season, he ended up with 24 goals as a winger.


But Ibra drops deep enough for him to get frequent scoring opportunities .
If his problem was the lack of scoring chances he wouldn't have garnered a reputation of missing sitters . Laughing
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Post by sportsczy Sun 15 May 2016 - 4:54



I don't understand what these youtubes show Laughing

Heck, here's Mandzu skillfulness Laughing

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Post by sportsczy Sun 15 May 2016 - 4:55

farfan wrote:
sportsczy wrote:
Don't call me James wrote:LMAO please stahp Sportz.

Cavani can't even score 20 league goals in UnLigue. He also never cracked the 30 goal barrier in Serie A.

Pipita just set the all time record. :bow:

He's playing winger.  Difficult to score when you're 30 meters from goal to the side lol.  He's a poor winger... and that's fine.  When Ibra had a lot of injury problems last season, Cavani ended up with 31 goals since he played CF mostly (about 2/3 of the time).

Even this season, he ended up with 24 goals as a winger.


But Ibra drops deep enough for him to get frequent scoring opportunities .
If his problem was the lack of scoring chances he wouldn't have garnered a reputation of missing sitters . Laughing

That's not the same... he's not making the primary runs and his teammates are not moving to set him up. He's just reacting to whatever Ibra and the others are doing and making outside in runs. Not at all similar to being a primary scorer and CF.
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Post by sportsczy Sun 15 May 2016 - 4:57

I'm not even arguing that Cavani is this superb technical specimen. Just pointing out he scored 30+ goals all 3 seasons at Napoli and killed it... so saying Higuain is better after just doing it for 1 season is waaaay premature especially since neither are that technical.

Seems to make people angry Laughing

I know people have extremely short memories... but come on now. This is in the last 5 years Laughing
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Post by Doc Sun 15 May 2016 - 5:01

On very much a sidenote, that Mandzukic vid is mostly tap-ins with either his feet or head with shitty electronic music. Nothing that showcased genuine skill with the ball.
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Post by sportsczy Sun 15 May 2016 - 5:18

Doc wrote:On very much a sidenote, that Mandzukic vid is mostly tap-ins with either his feet or head with shitty electronic music. Nothing that showcased genuine skill with the ball.

0:45 mark
2:18 mark
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Post by sportsczy Sun 15 May 2016 - 5:23

btw, i'm not insinuating that Mandzu is anywhere near as good as Higuain...  just pointing out that most strikers of a certain standing have moments of skill regardless of their true technical level.  Youtube highlights really mean little.  Seen enough of Higuain over the years to know exactly what he is.

But kudos to him for consistently being efficient and putting together a great year as a lead striker.  Maybe the mental block he had for many years on big occasions is gone... we'll see next season. True expectations and big CL games will come next season for him and even this summer if he plays in Copa America.
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Post by CBarca Sun 15 May 2016 - 6:47

Agreed with BC that at worst Higuain is at his worst middle of the pack technically.

I wouldn't say he's superb technically, but it never hinders him. He doesn't screw up chances often due to lack of technical skill.

Either way, incredible achievement from him. One of the best strikers in the world right now
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Post by Forza Sun 15 May 2016 - 6:47

Elite striker.
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Post by Doc Sun 15 May 2016 - 7:30

I'm guessing Sports hasn't view much of Higuain since he left Madrid because he has honestly improved his game play at Napoli. Much better 1st touch, able to lead the line better and doesn't flake out as much as he used to. He always had the ability to score goals so that remained a constant. Not that Madrid held him back (we didn't) but this move was the best thing for his career.

Elite striker is elite.

PS Stay in Naples Higgy.
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Post by sportsczy Sun 15 May 2016 - 7:54

I watched him up until his disastrous WC campaign and then the season after before i got angry lol. He was the same until then. Nothing had changed. So maybe this past season he transformed?...  BC and I were part of a support group for fans who were deceived by strikers this past summer (Higuain and Benz).  Both had a good season.  Similar pace except Benz got hurt.  But goal + assist per appearance ratio is very similar, which is what i look at along with shots taken to goals.

Higuain
40 goals and 2 assists in 43 appearance.  0.98 G+A ratio.  
Took 202 shots for the 40 goals so 20% efficiency

Benz
28 goals and 7 assists in 35 appearances.  1.00 G+A ratio.
Took 123 shots for the 28 goals so 23% efficiency

Equally effective when they were in there.  Good to see.  Would have made a great pairing at Madrid if Flo hadn't gone galactico on us with CR and Kaka.  Neither of them are very selfish.  What could have been...
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Post by halamadrid2 Sun 15 May 2016 - 8:54

Come home you beast. Imagine how much he'd score now with Bale, Carvajal and Marcelo putting in endless crosses. Best striker in the world no doubt
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