Benitez comments on Benz

i read it, didn't hear it (which makes everything absolutely different)...wasn't sure if the phenomenon part was him joking laughing being truthful or being sarcastic. whatever the case, my guess is they've sorted everything out, if it ever was a thing to begin with, and not just the media looking for clicks. chapter closed from me.

titosantill wrote:i read it, didn't hear it (which makes everything absolutely different)...wasn't sure if the phenomenon part was him joking laughing being truthful or being sarcastic. whatever the case, my guess is they've sorted everything out, if it ever was a thing to begin with, and not just the media looking for clicks. chapter closed from me.

Same just wanted to know if anyone got the same impression that I did. I'm sure it's nothing at this point

Benz was held out of the collective practice for NT so Deez may be on to something here...

I think this is completely blown out of proportion. The reporter asked a whole bunch of questions and one of Benz' quotes was sensationalized because context wasn't given. Same with Rafa's words.

i do have to say in conclusion, brilliant move from AS, slow news day, we don't play till the 17th and just off the back of a draw with atleti....same way marca's desperate to stir up something between rafa and ramos, and ramos rightly told them he's not ready to give them headlines about his coach

Benitez comments about Benzema isnt the one concerning me. Its his actions that is concerning me. He subbed of Benzema when Ronaldo was literally the worst player on the pitch (arbeloa doesnt count). The 'you have to ask the coach' reply was clearly a disagreement showed by the Benzema on the substitution. Benzema is pissed off and rightly so,the substitution should have been Vasquez for Ronaldo.

Ramos took a shot on Benitez imo. He said ''every one makes mistakes and people have the right to criticize it.You have the right to criticize me just like you have the right to criticize the substitutions'' ---something along the lines.That is Ramos hinting to the media that Benitez's substitutions were awful which it was.

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Did you guys read the original quote? It's 90% praise for Benz and you guys are focusing on the remaining 10%

futbol jr is letting us down by not translating the post of his grandad IMO

Hans, if these guys can't read a bit of Spanish then they are forever getting wrong impressions. These english versions of Marca etc are horrendous.

Just read thru this entire thread and you can easily see how these guys are falling for the media desperately trying to create news!!!!

And what's it all about really:

1. We knew before the season that there would be lots of substitutions / rotations and it wouldn't sit well with some players.

2. We also knew that Benitez will have to play (and not rotate) Bale and Ronaldo.

3. And we knew that he was going to be challenging Benz.

4. So what's the new story?

5. And regarding Ramos (and I am his biggest (maybe only) fan), he clearly was passing a message on to Benitez. But once again, I think he would be better to admit he was lucky with his huge error and it wasn't the substitution of Arbeloa itself that cost us that goal, it was likely that Arbeloa was chosen over Nacho. But it seems his biggest complain was Benitez had told them to play back in 2nd half which Ramos says was wrong tactic against Atleti. He may have a valid point, but thru the media is not the right way to say this.

I'm not familiar with all this, but to me it seems there's hell of a lot of ego and power play going on.
Didn't Ramos use AS this summer to blackmail the club into his contract demands? He's apparently now trying to remind everyone of his power.

Not AS, they are the scum of the media. They have a beef with Perez and constantly try stories to get under his skin.

Ramos did try to get a better deal, but there was just as much media play by both sides.

No I think what actually happened was he got questioned about his huge error after the disappointing tie and Ramos thought (as captain) that the second half tactics were wrong. His mistake was saying so to the media. I don't think he was demonstrating any power, just (at least to me) another demonstration that he isn't the smartest when it comes to media relationships.

lmao bill why are you such a hypocrite? who loves reading into news articles stories more than you?

even if the translation is off the fact remains, benzema clearly was upset at being subbed, he made a comment and rafa replied, we can talk about any part of it.

I love Ramos. Saying how we should learn from mistakes. Yet that piece of shit gets a red or commits a pen once every other game. That guy has the worst discipline of any player I've ever seen and he's got too much power in the locker room.

I'm so tired of these alphas that can't function with anybody because of their huge ass ego.

He's not a good defender and I'd be happy to see him go.

you guys seen this?



rafa needs to work on his man management skills, if he couldn't see this coming tbh.

Honestly, i like that he is being managed very strictly early on...  he's faded every single one of the last 2 years because he wasn't managed.  Good to see him be pissed off.  But in the end, he also has to prove that he can sustain form for an entire season with a full burden.  The past 2 years have shown that he couldn't....  every March, he got injured/faded/played tired.  

Rafa is doing the right thing imo.

To be fair Rafa has the right to sub Benzema every game because he is the only striker we have.

So I'm the only one whose favorite player is Ramos ?

Adit wrote:To be fair Rafa has the right to sub Benzema every game because he is the only striker we have.

very very good point. i actually forgot about this, good observation adit. we've only got one striker, and we can't risk him getting injured or fatigued, which happened last season and even the season before...no big deal

Valkyrja wrote:So I'm the only one whose favorite player is Ramos ?

No, there are at least 2 of us!

Adit wrote:To be fair Rafa has the right to sub Benzema every game because he is the only striker we have.

Not to mention he looked as if he was carrying a knock towards the end of the match.

This is just the media trumping up 1 misinterpreted line, while ignoring the real message.

Kinda funny to see people's outrage when they have almost 0 perspective.

Nothing new.. Keep it moving.

sportsczy wrote:Honestly, i like that he is being managed very strictly early on...  he's faded every single one of the last 2 years because he wasn't managed.  Good to see him be pissed off.  But in the end, he also has to prove that he can sustain form for an entire season with a full burden.  The past 2 years have shown that he couldn't....  every March, he got injured/faded/played tired.  

Rafa is doing the right thing imo.

I don't understand this reasoning? benzema has 6 goals on 11 shots now, which could be easily 3 goals on 11 shots, since couple of those goals he only had 1 shot all game .

no one can sustain that kind of finishing straight throughout a season, i don't care who you are its impossible and that doesn't mean he shows up half a season or fades(minus injuries) in the end, he just doesn't get any service how is that hard to comprehend?

once benzema hits form and maintain his overall level of play then im good, its unreasonable to expect him keep this up, especially when he see cr missing a ton of chances and keep getting more waste.

Benz played great and had 2 goals for NT... but came out due to injury. back of the thigh. He had to lay down on the sideline before finally being able to walk off. Hope he's ok.

guess rafa was right to monitor his minutes.....i hope he's not out for long. if not we'll look foolish for not having a back up

rafa right? wtf you serious? injuries happen regardless, stop trying to give rafa a pass for playing politics come on now.

well the guy has a knock, i'm no medical expert but i reckon that with even many more minutes problems associated with said knock could have been exacerbated. as far as politics, rafa's just started, you wanted carlo out, and already we've not even reached xmas and you want us to be quick to throw darts the man's way. relax, we know benzema is your guy, let time dictate how things go. there's a report on danilo training and a keylor navas interview on AS, read that for a bit ease off some steam and put the benzema thing on hold for a few minutes. it'll be very relaxing for you and us all, whilst we wait for his diagnosis. hopefully he'll be ready for the levante game

It's not serious... both DD and Benz said so. He won't play the next NT game and should be ready for Madrid's next game. If not, definitely the one after. He met with the press after the game and seemed to walk with no limp.

tito DD already stated he was gonna play benzema for 90 mins, he just happened to get hurt seems normal to me, but since there comments about his mins, rafa "knew what he was doing" all of a sudden come on now, its just an injury from NT, im sure we had some of those already this season no?

Chad... those aren't the facts. Benz was kept out of full practice the first two days with NT. He only had one full practice before this game. Because both Benz and DD had taken the public stance that he was a 90 min player, they took a risk and played Benz and tried to get a full 90 out of him. I thought it was foolish given the practice issues.

So say what you want... but Rafa IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT in managing Benz given how Benz is never ever fit come March anytime he plays a full load from the start of the season.