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I agree Tom, what I'm trying to say is we all know Allegri's love for the trequartista.  If Isco is indeed available and at a reasonable price I don't see any reason Allegri doesn't authorize his purchase.

Would it throw a wrench onto our perfect 3-5-2 that we are building?  Most likely.  But it's what Allegri has wanted since he came here and now with Pogba gone and the $100M we got for him it looks to be the time that they will  make the switch.  

We can still play 3-5-2 AND 4-3-1-2 this year.  Who knows, maybe we get Isco AND a tough as nails DM and sell off Pererya.  We just sold Zaza for $25M, Isla for $4.5M, so add $18M for Pererya and that's more than enough to cover for Isco plus a solid tough as nails DM.  Plus we still have leftover change from the Pogba deal...

I'm happy to switch it up, but is Isco going to be willing to trade one rotational position for another? Because he'd have to do some magical stuff to force Allegri to bench one of our CBs and probably one of our wing backs in favour for more balance.

3-5-2 has not won us a CL. As a matter of fact we played 4-3-1-2 in the final against Barca. 3-5-2 has been exposed in Europe. Sure if you add Alves and Higuain and Sandro full time it could change things. But as of right now the only true success we've had with the 3-5-2 has been in Serie A.

Isco and Gustavo (loan) would be great

DeviAngel wrote:Isco and Gustavo (loan) would be great

YES!!!

We're hardly CL winning experts are we? We are historically chokers in the finals so you can't put it down to a 3-5-2. What you can put it down to is a 3-5-2 with exceptionally average or even below average attackers I.E Lichsteiner being asked to do the job in the final 3rd the likes of Robben do. Only he's a 30 year old defensive full back, or Matri-Quags up front who are good for 15 goals each if they're spoon fed and in their prime.


This team is built for 3-5-2, and our strengths now involve our two fantastic attacking wing backs and our back 3 having a ridiculous understanding with each other.

You sacrifice that for somebody like Zidane, not Isco of all people.

Tomwin Lannister wrote:I'm happy to switch it up, but is Isco going to be willing to trade one rotational position for another? Because he'd have to do some magical stuff to force Allegri to bench one of our CBs and probably one of our wing backs in favour for more balance.

With Chiellini injured every other game and Barzagli on his last legs I don't see a problem here. Isco is a fantasista, he has more talent than all of our midfielders, even Pjanic. He is a dream signing. Isco with the ball at his feet is like dirty hard core sex with Matri's wife.

Tom is my soul and brain mate

If a 4 man back line was the plan, it really brings into question the 20 million purchase of Benatia, so unless Bonucci has a Rooney like reinvention and decides to play up front, which realistically could happen one day in his brain, it leaves us with 5 central defenders of the highest quality for two positions on the field.

juve_gigi wrote:

Tomwin Lannister wrote:I'm happy to switch it up, but is Isco going to be willing to trade one rotational position for another? Because he'd have to do some magical stuff to force Allegri to bench one of our CBs and probably one of our wing backs in favour for more balance.

With Chiellini injured every other game and Barzagli on his last legs I don't see a problem here. Isco is a fantasista, he has more talent than all of our midfielders, even Pjanic. He is a dream signing. Isco with the ball at his feet is like dirty hard core sex with Matri's wife.

Hey there's only two men allowed to smash Nargi.

Matri, and more importantly, Me.

In fact, scratch that.

Me.


But aside from that, Isco is certainly more offensively gifted than all of our current midfielders but considering he is by nature a CAM that doesn't count for much

I'd take him, sure. But not at the expense of Dani Alves/Sandro combo and alienating 2 of our CBs to the point of leaving/calling it quits.

Our biggest strength is our back 3. How they defend and push with a ridiculous understanding. And they're a nightmare to break down. Sacrificing that for somebody like Isco who for all his flash is not exactly exceptionally productive is a risk. If he's happy to fight for his place then fine.

But changing everything for a player of that calibre is too risky, we could end up taking big steps backwards and the spine of this team is not getting any younger.

Luca wrote:Tom is my soul and brain mate

If a 4 man back line was the plan, it really brings into question the 20 million purchase of Benatia, so unless Bonucci has a Rooney like reinvention and decides to play up front, which realistically could happen one day in his brain, it leaves us with 5 central defenders of the highest quality for two positions on the field.

If we decided 3-5-2 was a plan B some things are practically guaranteed.



2 of our CBs, definitely Rugani and Benatia/Barzagli don't go much further in their Juve careers.

Dani Alves - Alex Sandro the most technically gifted full back combo we've had in... ever? Will not see the light of day together in big games unless we're already desperate and in a position of weakness. And what was once a notoriously hard to break down team will be noticeably more open. And I don't like that.

I got your back Luca, this tag team ain't rolling over and dying any time soon ffs.

<3

Luca wrote:Tom is my soul and brain mate

If a 4 man back line was the plan, it really brings into question the 20 million purchase of Benatia, so unless Bonucci has a Rooney like reinvention and decides to play up front, which realistically could happen one day in his brain, it leaves us with 5 central defenders of the highest quality for two positions on the field.

We only paid $3M for Benatia. He is on loan. If the 4 man backline prevails we can always return him to Bayern. But honestly Barzagli is on his last legs and will most likely be a sub next year.

Tomwin Lannister wrote:

Luca wrote:Tom is my soul and brain mate

If a 4 man back line was the plan, it really brings into question the 20 million purchase of Benatia, so unless Bonucci has a Rooney like reinvention and decides to play up front, which realistically could happen one day in his brain, it leaves us with 5 central defenders of the highest quality for two positions on the field.

If we decided 3-5-2 was a plan B some things are practically guaranteed.



2 of our CBs, definitely Rugani and Benatia/Barzagli don't go much further in their Juve careers.

Dani Alves - Alex Sandro the most technically gifted full back combo we've had in... ever? Will not see the light of day together in big games unless we're already desperate and in a position of weakness. And what was once a notoriously hard to break down team will be noticeably more open. And I don't like that.

I got your back Luca, this tag team ain't rolling over and dying any time soon ffs.

My man

I'm also not a fan of changing like 7 starters from last season and expecting it to instantly pay dividends- it doesn't really work like that

DeviAngel wrote:

--Alves---Bonucci---Chielini--Sandro
---Marchisio/Khedira----Gustavo---Pjanic--
---Isco----
---Dybala-----Higuain---

<3

SEX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bye bye Barca, Madrid and Bayern!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GL Mania 2.0 in the Juve section, I love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where's Sciacca and JuveNelCuore to join the party??

I already texted Nagri last night. Sorry Tom, you're out of the loop...

Tomwin Lannister wrote:

Luca wrote:Tom is my soul and brain mate

If a 4 man back line was the plan, it really brings into question the 20 million purchase of Benatia, so unless Bonucci has a Rooney like reinvention and decides to play up front, which realistically could happen one day in his brain, it leaves us with 5 central defenders of the highest quality for two positions on the field.

If we decided 3-5-2 was a plan B some things are practically guaranteed.



2 of our CBs, definitely Rugani and Benatia/Barzagli don't go much further in their Juve careers.

Dani Alves - Alex Sandro the most technically gifted full back combo we've had in... ever? Will not see the light of day together in big games unless we're already desperate and in a position of weakness. And what was once a notoriously hard to break down team will be noticeably more open. And I don't like that.

I got your back Luca, this tag team ain't rolling over and dying any time soon ffs.

Alves has played his whole Barca career in a 4 man backline, why would we suddenly bench him if we were playing a 4-3-1-2?

Yeah I like her to have some BFFs to exchange feelings and all that. Keep up the good emotional wing man work my brotha


As for Alves isn't not necessarily about him. It's about balance. We're not going to go from being a team of 10 hard workers keeping our defence solid to going full YOLO dropping a CB and playing both of our offensive full backs. Especially considering we've also sold our two most physical midfielders in as many seasons that's basically reinventing our team as opposed to refining it. Which can backfire and so often does.

Tomwin Lannister wrote:Yeah I like her to have some BFFs to exchange feelings and all that. Keep up the good emotional wing man work my brotha


As for Alves isn't not necessarily about him. It's about balance. We're not going to go from being a team of 10 hard workers keeping our defence solid to going full YOLO dropping a CB and playing both of our offensive full backs. Especially considering we've also sold our two most physical midfielders in as many seasons that's basically reinventing our team as opposed to refining it. Which can backfire and so often does.

I'll always be your wing man bro...

I hear ya.  Isco is sex though.  We can rotate Alves/Licht, Asa/Sandro.  Also if we sign Gustavo we'd get a hardcore DM to play with Pjanic and Marchisio/Khedira with Sturaro as a sub.

I don't like the 7-9 changes either quite honestly, that's exactly what we did last year and it almost backfired.  But when you have the chance the get a fantasista like Isco then I think you have to pull the trigger.

Anyways, good debating guys, keeping it civil but constructive.  Remember we are all brothers and Juventini.  We all want the same thing, which is CL glory.

In Marotta and Allegri we trust...  

Tomwin Lannister wrote:Yeah I like her to have some BFFs to exchange feelings and all that. Keep up the good emotional wing man work my brotha


As for Alves isn't not necessarily about him. It's about balance. We're not going to go from being a team of 10 hard workers keeping our defence solid to going full YOLO dropping a CB and playing both of our offensive full backs. Especially considering we've also sold our two most physical midfielders in as many seasons that's basically reinventing our team as opposed to refining it. Which can backfire and so often does.

yeah but in all of our pre-season games we played 4-3-1-2 with Chiellini's injury record these 2 seasons and Barzagli being 35 Benatia and Rugani are a must, there are a lot of games and rotations and god pls no injuries.

juve_gigi wrote:Where's Sciacca and JuveNelCuore to join the party??

sciacca is a Romanista now, he was Milanista not so long ago

Some say sciacca is somewhat mental

Luca wrote:Some say sciacca is somewhat mental

yeah.... When I had you on FB we had him as friend remember ? I dunno about now

Luca wrote:Some say sciacca is somewhat mental

But do they know he's really sentimental

Tomwin Lannister wrote:

Luca wrote:Some say sciacca is somewhat mental

But do they know he's really sentimental

Some say he's a waste fellow