Nationalism in Europe [Controversial]

VivaStPauli wrote:Yeah, but Antifa is not a political party, and not involved in any government, and Germany has been ruled by a right-wing government since 2005.
So again: what far-left government did let anyone in?

VivaStPauli wrote:Being a racist and fascist is the literal scientific definition of a far-right government, guest7, and you pretending it isn't won't make it so.

The problems facing Sweden after a wave of shootings and arson attacks are every bit as serious as the country’s 1990s financial crisis, according to the favourite to become prime minister in next month’s elections.

Ulf Kristersson, head of the centre-right Moderate party, told the Financial Times that Swedes had lost trust in the state and that the country was paying the price for 20 years of “very unsuccessful integration policies” by both left- and rightwing governments.

“There is a crisis in politics being able to solve problems. Is politics able to do anything at all?” said Mr Kristersson before a campaign event in the heart of the Swedish countryside.

Sweden, held up in international surveys as one of the world’s happiest and most successful countries, has been jolted by frequent shootings, grenade attacks and arson attacks on cars in suburbs with a heavy immigrant population in Stockholm, Malmo and Gothenburg.

Last week, about 100 cars were set on fire in Gothenburg and neighbouring cities by masked gangs of youths using Molotov cocktails.

That violence has upended Sweden’s political agenda, pushing the economy down the list of voter priorities and lifting up immigration and law and order.

It has also boosted the anti-immigration, rightwing Sweden Democrats, moving them in many polls ahead of the Moderates into second place and complicating Mr Kristersson’s plans to form a government after the vote on September 9.

Both centre-left and centre-right have ruled out co-operating with the Sweden Democrats, which could leave either side trying to try to put together a viable minority government.
Moderate party leader Ulf Kristersson campaigns in Stockholm AFP

Mr Kristersson said Sweden faced a crisis as serious as its financial and economic problems at the start of the 1990s, when interest rates rose to 500 per cent and several banks needed rescuing.

“It’s hard because it is not about economics or money this time. Trust in the political parties and politics to deal with it is less than it was in the 90s crisis,” he said.

Mr Kristersson said he wanted gang offenders to be given longer prison sentences and the number of police officers to be increased after a fall in recent years.

The Moderate party’s manifesto, released on Saturday, called for 10,000 extra police officers by 2024 as well as the elimination of reduced sentences for youths aged 18-21.
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He added that politicians needed to act more forcefully. “We have been saying it [is unacceptable] since 2013, and showing in practice that we accept it. This is threatening very basic values. [The car fires are] a sign that things happen that should not happen, that did not happen, that this is not an extreme event,” he added.

The state’s powerlessness extended well beyond law and order matters, Mr Kristersson argued, pointing to other areas such as cuts in military spending and decades-long housing problems.

Mr Kristersson said politicians should not blame voters for the situation. “When voters are discontent, don’t blame them. We have the obligation to show that the state can do the stuff that they want us to do. Right now, we rather prove that politics can’t do what it should do,” he added.

Latest opinion polls show that the traditional centre-left and centre-right blocs are in a statistical dead-heat, with the Sweden Democrats holding the balance of power with an average of 19-20 per cent.

Magdalena Andersson, the Social Democrat finance minister, reacted to the FT interview by saying: “It’s like saying straight out to international investors: ‘Don’t invest in Sweden’.”

guest7 wrote:Plz Unique, there are logical reasons why immigrants rape more often

IMO the reasons are:

1. They can't speak the language so it's hard to find a girlfriend
2. Different culture, hijab is more common and when they see girls with skirts they lose their mind
3. Politicians don't care about immigrants or rape statistics, hence why integration is horrible
4. Socioeconomic reasons. When you're poor, you are more likely to commit a crime.

I'm not justifying anything, but these points prove why a nationalist government is needed. I'm voting for the right-center right now but I might change my vote to the nationalist party.

The biggest rascist and fascist in the world are the left party imo. They don't care about integration or learning these people how to treat women (because of their culture, I agree this is needed) this is why this has gone so wrong. Can I blame these immigrants completly? Partly yes, but there has been MORE succesful immigrants than failed ones. To me it's obvious, if we had better politics this wouldn't even be a problem and that's why I blame politicians more. I hate to sympathize with these rapists but believe me I don't... Kick them out the country, more than justified!

Nishankly wrote:There is no reason to defend rapists or sexual harassment of the smallest kind, if a certain population has officially being accounted for doing it, they should face the consequences. No other ways to that.

guest7 wrote:Plz Unique, there are logical reasons why immigrants rape more often

IMO the reasons are:

1. They can't speak the language so it's hard to find a girlfriend
2. Different culture, hijab is more common and when they see girls with skirts they lose their mind
3. Politicians don't care about immigrants or rape statistics, hence why integration is horrible
4. Socioeconomic reasons. When you're poor, you are more likely to commit a crime.

I'm not justifying anything, but these points prove why a nationalist government is needed. I'm voting for the right-center right now but I might change my vote to the nationalist party.

The biggest rascist and fascist in the world are the left party imo. They don't care about integration or learning these people how to treat women (because of their culture, I agree this is needed) this is why this has gone so wrong. Can I blame these immigrants completly? Partly yes, but there has been MORE succesful immigrants than failed ones. To me it's obvious, if we had better politics this wouldn't even be a problem and that's why I blame politicians more. I hate to sympathize with these rapists but believe me I don't... Kick them out the country, more than justified!

Freeza wrote:I don’t think it’s about defending or excusing rape. It’s analysing the problem and fixing it. If you don’t know what causes a problem you can’t fix it

Unique wrote:

Freeza wrote:I don’t think it’s about defending or excusing rape. It’s analysing the problem and fixing it. If you don’t know what causes a problem you can’t fix it

but if you know who is comiting these crimes then its possible to prevent them. but sadly the race card steps in and people choose to ignore the problem and hope it gets brushed under the carpet. it would take a brave government to admit to the problem and do what needs to be done.

Nishankly wrote:There is no reason to defend rapists or sexual harassment of the smallest kind, if a certain population has officially being accounted for doing it, they should face the consequences. No other ways to that.

Betty La Fea wrote:

Unique wrote:

Freeza wrote:I don’t think it’s about defending or excusing rape. It’s analysing the problem and fixing it. If you don’t know what causes a problem you can’t fix it

but if you know who is comiting these crimes then its possible to prevent them. but sadly the race card steps in and people choose to ignore the problem and hope it gets brushed under the carpet. it would take a brave government to admit to the problem and do what needs to be done.

The final solution?

BarrileteCosmico wrote:

Nishankly wrote:There is no reason to defend rapists or sexual harassment of the smallest kind, if a certain population has officially being accounted for doing it, they should face the consequences. No other ways to that.

Populations can't be responsible for anything,only individuals.

Unique wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:

Unique wrote: but if you know who is comiting these crimes then its possible to prevent them. but sadly the race card steps in and people choose to ignore the problem and hope it gets brushed under the carpet. it would take a brave government to admit to the problem and do what needs to be done.

The final solution?

or you could stop putting these people in situations where they cant stop themselves from doing this kind of thing.

Betty La Fea wrote:

Unique wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:

The final solution?

or you could stop putting these people in situations where they cant stop themselves from doing this kind of thing.

Outside of killing them how do you propose stopping someone from raping?

Unique wrote:

BarrileteCosmico wrote:

Nishankly wrote:There is no reason to defend rapists or sexual harassment of the smallest kind, if a certain population has officially being accounted for doing it, they should face the consequences. No other ways to that.

Populations can't be responsible for anything,only individuals.

but its a lot of individuals from a certain population.

Unique wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:

Unique wrote:
or you could stop putting these people in situations where they cant stop themselves from doing this kind of thing.

Outside of killing them how do you propose stopping someone from raping?

simple. you stop flooding them into europe. the thing that makes these people do what they do and stops them intergrating in to europe is religion.

McLewis wrote:

Unique wrote:

BarrileteCosmico wrote:

Populations can't be responsible for anything,only individuals.

but its a lot of individuals from a certain population.

Want to take a stab at defining "a lot"? Is there a percentage?

It's ill advised to paint an entire demographic with a broad brush due to the actions of some.

Probability is a slippery slope.

Betty La Fea wrote:

Unique wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:


Outside of killing them how do you propose stopping someone from raping?

simple. you stop flooding them into europe. the thing that makes these people do what they do and stops them intergrating in to europe is religion.

Wouldnt the ones who want to rape just do it at home then?

You arent solving the problem, unless you only care about the protection of Certain women

Unique wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:

Unique wrote:
simple. you stop flooding them into europe. the thing that makes these people do what they do and stops them intergrating in to europe is religion.

Wouldnt the ones who want to rape just do it at home then?

You arent solving the problem, unless you only care about the protection of Certain women

yes they could rape in their own country but thats a problem their own country has to deal with. the people of each country should have to deal with their own criminals. europe should not have to deal with criminals from other countries. and the women of europe should defo not have to be victims of them criminals.

Betty La Fea wrote:

Unique wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:

Wouldnt the ones who want to rape just do it at home then?

You arent solving the problem, unless you only care about the protection of Certain women

yes they could rape in their own country but thats a problem their own country has to deal with. the people of each country should have to deal with their own criminals. europe should not have to deal with criminals from other countries. and the women of europe should defo not have to be victims of them criminals.

What if Europe caused the issue?

Hapless_Hans wrote:This discussion is the worst