Re: Which players from your team could make it into Barca/United/Madrid/Bayern?

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:11 pm

juventus101 wrote:I agree that Reina is superior to Valdes, but i dont think the national team thing holds any ground. After all, Sergio Busquets is starting for Spain and Fabregas and David Silva are on the bench. Now how in the world does that make any sense?

Because Fabregas is'nt a DM lol, Fabregas is'nt in competition with Busquets he is in competition with Xavi....

How hard is that to understand?

by McAgger Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:13 pm

@Che.....so your telling me that Banega is just as good if not better than Xabi at passing?

by BeautifulGame Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:13 pm

Arguable imo, considering Valdes improvement under Pep and i would'nt the spain thing as an example.....

Enrique does'nt even get into the Spain squad when he should start, some players are just not liked by thier respective national coaches....

Ya agree.Its kinda debatable dont think either are certainly better it depends more on opinion tbh.

by juventus101 Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:13 pm

Im not saying because of that. I was implying to the fact that VDB switched to a 451 to accomodate Busquets, even though the 44-2 was obviously so much more effective in the Euro, with Silva starting over Pedro, and Fabregas being a first choice sub, with Busquets not even in the squad.

by che Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:16 pm

yes

xabi is miles better at long passing but banega is a lot more creative in the final third... i'd say they're pretty much equal, even if xabi was marginally better he's painfully slow and the last time he dribbled someone was probably 2008 so i'd happily have banega over him

by BeautifulGame Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:18 pm

juventus101 wrote:I agree that Reina is superior to Valdes, but i dont think the national team thing holds any ground. After all, Sergio Busquets is starting for Spain and Fabregas and David Silva are on the bench. Now how in the world does that make any sense?

It makes sense in the same way how Arbeloa is starting ahead of Fabregas and Silva for Spain team?

Busquets is a DM whereas Fabregas and Silva are attacking midfielders.SO it isnt hard to work out why he is starting ahead of them.

by RED Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:18 pm

SMH at some of the players that will make it in the United squad ahead of clearly better players.

by McAgger Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:19 pm

I'm not going to argue with someone who's biased, because i know nothing i say will make sense to you....so we'll just have to agree to disagree on this....

by juventus101 Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:19 pm

BeautifulGame wrote:
juventus101 wrote:I agree that Reina is superior to Valdes, but i dont think the national team thing holds any ground. After all, Sergio Busquets is starting for Spain and Fabregas and David Silva are on the bench. Now how in the world does that make any sense?

It makes sense in the same way how Arbeloa is starting ahead of Fabregas and Silva for Spain team?

Busquets is a DM whereas Fabregas and Silva are attacking midfielders.SO it isnt hard to work out why he is starting ahead of them.

I just explained this. Look up a few posts.

by McAgger Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:19 pm

Devil-Is-Red wrote:SMH at some of the players that will make it in the United squad ahead of clearly better players.

like who? back your statement up

by BeautifulGame Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:20 pm

juventus101 wrote:Im not saying because of that. I was implying to the fact that VDB switched to a 451 to accomodate Busquets, even though the 44-2 was obviously so much more effective in the Euro, with Silva starting over Pedro, and Fabregas being a first choice sub, with Busquets not even in the squad.

VDB switched 4-5-1 to accomodate Alonso :facepalm:

Busquets replaced Senna who was also a DM.

by The Messiah Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:20 pm

Messiakanino wrote:Suarez would make into Barca, Madrid, Bayern, and United's starting XI....He'd take over Sanchez' place at Barca, Di Maria's at Madrid, he'll surely be a starter at ManU and Bayern as well.

I believe Agger can also make it into Bayern's, Madrid's and Barca's line-up...He's better than Badstuber, He could replace Carvalho in Madrid, and Barca are playing Masch and Busquets at CB ffs.

Jose Enrique could arguably make it into Bayern's line-up ahead of Rafinha, and moving Lahm back to Rb. At Barca he'll be a starter for sure ahead of Adriano and Maxwell.

Gerrard can make it into United's and Bayerns line-ups without any problems. Replacing Kroos at Bayern and anyone in the center for United. Could make a strong case that he would start over Khedira/Sahin/Coentrao next to Alonso at Madrid. At Barcelona i doubt he'll be able to get into the midfield.

Glen Johnson would be a starter for United for sure at RB, could arguably replace Rafinha at Bayern and Ramos at Madrid.

Lucas i think also has a great chance of breaking into United and Bayern's line-ups quite easily. I doubt it at Barca and Madrid though.

Reina would replace De Gea and Valdes...could make a case for Neuer and Casillas as well, but let's just leave it at that.

EDIT: I forgot Reina
No bias involved to be honest.....The guys mentioned are quality and i believe most of you would agree with my choices.

Barcelona:
-----------------Reina----------
-Alves-----Pique-----Agger---Enrique
---------------Bisquit---------------
--------Xavi/Cesc----Iniesta-------
---Suarez----Messi------VIlla-------

Bayern:
------------------------Reina/Neuer-----------------
-Johnson/Lahm---Boateng---Agger---Lahm/Enrique
------------------------------Lucas/Gerrard---------------
---------------------Piggy-----------------------------
-------Robben----------Suarez---------Ribery---
--------------------------Gomez-----------------------

Manchester United:
----------------------Reina--------------------
--Johnson-----Vidic---------Rio--------Evra--
--------------Gerard--------Lucas------------
--Nani--------------------------------------Young/Downing
----------------Suarez-----Rooney--------------
I put Downing here considering he was better than Young at Villa last season

Real Madrid:
--------------------------Reina/Casillas----------------
---Johnson/Ramos----Pepe---------Agger-------Marcelo
------------------------Xabi----------Gerrard-----------
-----------Suarez------------Ozil--------------Ronaldo--
----------------------------Benzema--------------------

WTF.........Reina Enrique, and Johnson make it into our first team :facepalm:

are you being serious. No keeper in the world can replace Neuer to begin with, then Rafinha is a better player than Jonson and Enrique. I accept probably Agger could have replaced the old Badstuber but not the new one

by Babun Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:22 pm

Immaculate_Mole wrote:
BeautifulGame wrote:
Immaculate_Mole wrote:
BeautifulGame wrote:
Immaculate_Mole wrote:Do you want an honest answer or the one riddled with lies and unbelievable delusion?

Either way u are going to say Shola Ameobi dont u?

Well obviously, but the 2nd answer would include Krul, Coloccini, Santon, Ben Arfa, Tiote, Cabaye aswell

U still missed out the BEST striker in North east

Shola is'nt the best ?

Busquet's garbage and only looks good because of the system and a weak point in Barca's team?

Do people still believe that?

Mole, I noticed something very interesting yesterday Very Happy

Hummels could do anything Biscuit does and a lot more Very Happy

Hummels>>>el pussy eco smile

by juventus101 Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:22 pm

Alonso is defensive enough that i dont think Busquets is needed and a 442 shouldve been kept. Even so, Pedro is starting over Silva, which is a travesty.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:22 pm

juventus101 wrote:Im not saying because of that. I was implying to the fact that VDB switched to a 451 to accomodate Busquets, even though the 44-2 was obviously so much more effective in the Euro, with Silva starting over Pedro, and Fabregas being a first choice sub, with Busquets not even in the squad.

Busquet's was brought in because Alonso cant play as a lone DM and Senna was'nt good enough anymore the back 4 needed protection if you cant understand that then iam wasting my time tbh.

@Babun

Hummels should be Sahin's replacement Very Happy

by Sushi Master Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:26 pm

I would approve of Hummels going to Madrid, if they have a German exodus similar to the Dutch one, and sell them at cut prices.

Madrid bought him in FM, so it might just come true. Wink

by juventus101 Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:27 pm

Why cant Alonso play as a lone DM? Who established that as a fact? At Real he plays next to Coentrao who is a attacking wingback/winger, or Khedira who is a box to box midfielder, whose more on the defensive side, but by no means a destroyer, or Sahin, who is a regista (though that hasnt happenned yet). So whats the difference? I think he and Xavi together would form a very strong center midfield partnership, yea it would be more attack based but it would be just enough defensively as well in my opinion. But even so, i was just making a point that who starts for the national team doesnt mean anything, as alot of the time its just who the coach prefers. Pedro starting over David Silva and even Navas is a good example of this.

And comparing Alonso to Pirlo is pushing it. Alonso is not a DM and i never said he was one, but hes defensive enough to hold a midfield in my opinion. Hes more defensive than Pirlo, and sits further back whereas Pirlo roams around alot more. Alonso is exactly the same kind of player as Schweinsteiger. And look at recent results for Germany where Schweinsteiger has been played as a lone DM. 6-2 win over Austria, 3-2 win over Brazil (shoulda been 3-1 really, as Germany let up after the 3rd goal and thats when Brazil got a late consolation goal).

by BeautifulGame Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:28 pm

juventus101 wrote:Alonso is defensive enough that i dont think Busquets is needed and a 442 shouldve been kept. Even so, Pedro is starting over Silva, which is a travesty.

Alonso has never played as a DM and isnt enough.If he was then Liverpool wouldnt have played Mascherano alongside him.The only time we tried we found 3-0 down to Milan at half time.

He is DLP like Pirlo not a DM.Do u think Italy can play Pirlo as a lone DM without protection? No.Similarly neither can Spain they need the protection Busquets provide.

by Freeza Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:31 pm

Since Madrid is already in this thread i will use my national team as my team

Agger- Agger in form could imo walk into any of those teams.

Kvist - Apperantly doing really good in the bundesliga, and he and Zimling was great against norway, he could certainly be a great depth player in those clubs, i find him almost good enough to be a regular in uniteds midfield.

Lindegaard - I think he is better than De Gea and should start for Utd, and i don't get the Danish national team coach doesn't start him.

Bendtner - Future Balon'Dor winner will of course walk into any team in the world.

Eriksen- In a few years he will be good enough to play for one of the big clubs, a rare talent!

Of course bias can be involved Very Happy

by Babun Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:31 pm

Immaculate_Mole wrote:
juventus101 wrote:Im not saying because of that. I was implying to the fact that VDB switched to a 451 to accomodate Busquets, even though the 44-2 was obviously so much more effective in the Euro, with Silva starting over Pedro, and Fabregas being a first choice sub, with Busquets not even in the squad.

Busquet's was brought in because Alonso cant play as a lone DM and Senna was'nt good enough anymore the back 4 needed protection if you cant understand that then iam wasting my time tbh.

@Babun

Hummels should be Sahin's replacement

Hummels could play DLP like Buscuit but without all the diving and with actual defending Very Happy

Not Sahin's replacement Very Happy

I don't get why Low doesn't see his DM potential Very Happy

by McAgger Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:33 pm

Idrisozet wrote:
Messiakanino wrote:Suarez would make into Barca, Madrid, Bayern, and United's starting XI....He'd take over Sanchez' place at Barca, Di Maria's at Madrid, he'll surely be a starter at ManU and Bayern as well.

I believe Agger can also make it into Bayern's, Madrid's and Barca's line-up...He's better than Badstuber, He could replace Carvalho in Madrid, and Barca are playing Masch and Busquets at CB ffs.

Jose Enrique could arguably make it into Bayern's line-up ahead of Rafinha, and moving Lahm back to Rb. At Barca he'll be a starter for sure ahead of Adriano and Maxwell.

Gerrard can make it into United's and Bayerns line-ups without any problems. Replacing Kroos at Bayern and anyone in the center for United. Could make a strong case that he would start over Khedira/Sahin/Coentrao next to Alonso at Madrid. At Barcelona i doubt he'll be able to get into the midfield.

Glen Johnson would be a starter for United for sure at RB, could arguably replace Rafinha at Bayern and Ramos at Madrid.

Lucas i think also has a great chance of breaking into United and Bayern's line-ups quite easily. I doubt it at Barca and Madrid though.

Reina would replace De Gea and Valdes...could make a case for Neuer and Casillas as well, but let's just leave it at that.

EDIT: I forgot Reina
No bias involved to be honest.....The guys mentioned are quality and i believe most of you would agree with my choices.

Barcelona:
-----------------Reina----------
-Alves-----Pique-----Agger---Enrique
---------------Bisquit---------------
--------Xavi/Cesc----Iniesta-------
---Suarez----Messi------VIlla-------

Bayern:
------------------------Reina/Neuer-----------------
-Johnson/Lahm---Boateng---Agger---Lahm/Enrique
------------------------------Lucas/Gerrard---------------
---------------------Piggy-----------------------------
-------Robben----------Suarez---------Ribery---
--------------------------Gomez-----------------------

Manchester United:
----------------------Reina--------------------
--Johnson-----Vidic---------Rio--------Evra--
--------------Gerard--------Lucas------------
--Nani--------------------------------------Young/Downing
----------------Suarez-----Rooney--------------
I put Downing here considering he was better than Young at Villa last season

Real Madrid:
--------------------------Reina/Casillas----------------
---Johnson/Ramos----Pepe---------Agger-------Marcelo
------------------------Xabi----------Gerrard-----------
-----------Suarez------------Ozil--------------Ronaldo--
----------------------------Benzema--------------------

WTF.........Reina Enrique, and Johnson make it into our first team are you being serious. No keeper in the world can replace Neuer to begin with, then Rafinha is a better player than Jonson and Enrique. I accept probably Agger could have replaced the old Badstuber but not the new one

You clearly never watch Liverpool :facepalm:

by DeviAngel Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:35 pm

Barcelona? Chiellini, Pirlo on form ..Young Del Piero,Buffon.

Bayern Munich?Chiellini,Marchisio,Vidal.

Real Madrid? Chiellini,Pirlo on form,Marchisio, young Del Piero, maybe Buffon.

Manchester United? Chiellini,Marchisio,Vidal,Krasic,Elia,Krasic,Buffon.

by Babun Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:36 pm

Messiakanino wrote:
Idrisozet wrote:
Messiakanino wrote:Suarez would make into Barca, Madrid, Bayern, and United's starting XI....He'd take over Sanchez' place at Barca, Di Maria's at Madrid, he'll surely be a starter at ManU and Bayern as well.

I believe Agger can also make it into Bayern's, Madrid's and Barca's line-up...He's better than Badstuber, He could replace Carvalho in Madrid, and Barca are playing Masch and Busquets at CB ffs.

Jose Enrique could arguably make it into Bayern's line-up ahead of Rafinha, and moving Lahm back to Rb. At Barca he'll be a starter for sure ahead of Adriano and Maxwell.

Gerrard can make it into United's and Bayerns line-ups without any problems. Replacing Kroos at Bayern and anyone in the center for United. Could make a strong case that he would start over Khedira/Sahin/Coentrao next to Alonso at Madrid. At Barcelona i doubt he'll be able to get into the midfield.

Glen Johnson would be a starter for United for sure at RB, could arguably replace Rafinha at Bayern and Ramos at Madrid.

Lucas i think also has a great chance of breaking into United and Bayern's line-ups quite easily. I doubt it at Barca and Madrid though.

Reina would replace De Gea and Valdes...could make a case for Neuer and Casillas as well, but let's just leave it at that.

EDIT: I forgot Reina
No bias involved to be honest.....The guys mentioned are quality and i believe most of you would agree with my choices.

Barcelona:
-----------------Reina----------
-Alves-----Pique-----Agger---Enrique
---------------Bisquit---------------
--------Xavi/Cesc----Iniesta-------
---Suarez----Messi------VIlla-------

Bayern:
------------------------Reina/Neuer-----------------
-Johnson/Lahm---Boateng---Agger---Lahm/Enrique
------------------------------Lucas/Gerrard---------------
---------------------Piggy-----------------------------
-------Robben----------Suarez---------Ribery---
--------------------------Gomez-----------------------

Manchester United:
----------------------Reina--------------------
--Johnson-----Vidic---------Rio--------Evra--
--------------Gerard--------Lucas------------
--Nani--------------------------------------Young/Downing
----------------Suarez-----Rooney--------------
I put Downing here considering he was better than Young at Villa last season

Real Madrid:
--------------------------Reina/Casillas----------------
---Johnson/Ramos----Pepe---------Agger-------Marcelo
------------------------Xabi----------Gerrard-----------
-----------Suarez------------Ozil--------------Ronaldo--
----------------------------Benzema--------------------

WTF.........Reina Enrique, and Johnson make it into our first team are you being serious. No keeper in the world can replace Neuer to begin with, then Rafinha is a better player than Jonson and Enrique. I accept probably Agger could have replaced the old Badstuber but not the new one

You clearly never watch Liverpool

Rafinha>>> Johnson in defending Messikano Very Happy

You didn't watch Rafinha Very Happy

Enrique over Lahm? Very Happy

'Insert any rightback' over Lahm? Very Happy

Agger and Lucas are another story Very Happy

They'd welcome them Very Happy

by The Messiah Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:36 pm

Well for me personally only few players that can make it into our starting 11, taking into consideration our playing styles I'll say such position is our, Right Back, Centre Defender and thats that.

As it is now the only player I think that can come to Bayern and bench someone is Hummels and that will obviously be Badstuber, but then again they will have to battle it out.

This exclude the three other mentioned teams and maybe Chiellini & Thiago Silva.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:37 pm

juventus101 wrote:Why cant Alonso play as a lone DM? Who established that as a fact? At Real he plays next to Coentrao who is a attacking wingback/winger, or Khedira who is a box to box midfielder, whose more on the defensive side, but by no means a destroyer, or Sahin, who is a regista (though that hasnt happenned yet). So whats the difference? I think he and Xavi together would form a very strong center midfield partnership, yea it would be more attack based but it would be just enough defensively as well in my opinion. Especially with Ramos being more defensive and going inside often to help out.

Yes its an established fact.......

At Liverpool he was alongside Mascherano, At Madrid he has Khedira and for Spain he has Busquets......

And everytime he has played as a lone DM for Spain they lose or draw and yes he played along with Coentrao recently but what happened?

Madrid's defence looked weak against an average Getafe side and conceded twice and was lucky not to concede more.

Alonso is a deep lying playmaker who needs a DM him beside him that is an established fact...

Why do you think Madrid fans want Khedira to get back ASAP lol?

by juventus101 Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:41 pm

Its not established first of all. Secondly, i think it would work, and until its tried and proven not to work for SPAIN, not Madrid, you cant tell me its an established fact. I think an Alonso-Xavi midfield would work beautifully, you dont. Well agree to disagree, cuz thats not what this thread is about, and im sick of threads getting derailed over stupid things like this. And plus, it still doesnt explain the other point i mentioned, the fact that Pedro is starting for some unknown reason over David Silva and even Navas.

Back on topic, i agree that i would take Reina over Valdes and De Gea, but hes not touching Casillas and Neuer.

And your sig is giving me a headache. lol

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