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Re: Arsene Wenger Contract Discussion Thread

Post by MJ on Sun Mar 23, 2014 10:58 pm

@EL Patron wrote:Apparently He has told the players   "play for me until the end of the season or I am leaving"

I don't usually believe in rumours but this one seems to have a degree of truth to it.

I like that better than the BS about him stepping down. Wenger doesn't leave things undone, there's no way he'd do that mid-season anyway.

But that would be good, the players are letting him down to an unbelievable degree.

Wenger took responsibility for the loss and fans are putting it all on him but there is an amount he can't control. Did he make Ox cock that ball up that was going out anyway and kill the game? Did he tell Koscielny to go back to being the incompetent rookie we signed four years ago? Did he make Szczesny play the most apathetic game I've seen him play in an Arsenal shirt?

Rosicky was the only one who could walk off with some dignity.

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Post by EL Patron on Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:53 pm

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@EL Patron wrote:Apparently He has told the players   "play for me until the end of the season or I am leaving"

I don't usually believe in rumours but this one seems to have a degree of truth to it.

I like that better than the BS about him stepping down. Wenger doesn't leave things undone, there's no way he'd do that mid-season anyway.

But that would be good, the players are letting him down to an unbelievable degree.

Wenger took responsibility for the loss and fans are putting it all on him but there is an amount he can't control. Did he make Ox cock that ball up that was going out anyway and kill the game? Did he tell Koscielny to go back to being the incompetent rookie we signed four years ago? Did he make Szczesny play the most apathetic game I've seen him play in an Arsenal shirt?

Rosicky was the only one who could walk off with some dignity.

Well said

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Re: Arsene Wenger Contract Discussion Thread

Post by Lex on Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:31 am

As if a man of Wenger's calibre would come out with such limp wristed, jilted girlfriend, fairy liquid claptrap. I wouldn't expect such shit from a sewer rat like Mourinho, nevermind a man like Wenger

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Post by urbaNRoots on Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:30 am

Exactly, imagine Wenger saying something like that Laughing

Seems made up by a 12 year old

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Re: Arsene Wenger Contract Discussion Thread

Post by MJ on Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:09 am

@urbaNRoots wrote:Exactly, imagine Wenger saying something like that Laughing

Seems made up by a 12 year old

Maybe, I honestly can't imagine a veteran like him saying that.

But it's still better than the rubbish about him being "close to tears" and about to announce his resignation Laughing

Well, the media blackout is over, Arsenal are back to tweeting as of 30 mins ago.

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Post by Raptorgunner on Mon Mar 24, 2014 2:13 pm

There is no way in the world, Wenger is leaving Arsenal, I am 100% sure he will stay. Its funny how some people think he will leave. Where is he going to go?

I dont care if he stays or goes, it cant get any worse than it is. With or with out him we are a 4th place team and unless he is going to spend, we will not win a major trophy under Wenger again. In Wengers mind Arsenal belongs him and he would not allow another manager take Arsenal from him. He would get fired in any other big club and he knows it.

Wenger has to take a pay-cut when he signs with Arsenal.

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Post by MJ on Mon Mar 24, 2014 2:23 pm

When he leaves it'll be to retire. Arsenal is his baby.

How can you say we won't win a major trophy when we're still poised to win at least one or, if we start taking it seriously, two.

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Post by Artilleristen on Mon Mar 24, 2014 2:29 pm

MJGunner wrote:When he leaves it'll be to retire. Arsenal is his baby.

How can you say we won't win a major trophy when we're still poised to win at least one or, if we start taking it seriously, two.
Without Rambo and Ozil we really only have the ability to win one, because of the lack of depth in the team, which is Wenger's fault. He should have bought some actual squad players in instead of Kim, who probably would be a bench warmer for the reserve team ala the squid.

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Post by Busby Babe on Mon Mar 24, 2014 2:36 pm

@Raptorgunner wrote:
I dont care if he stays or goes, it cant get any worse than it is. With or with out him we are a 4th place team and unless he is going to spend, we will not win a major trophy under Wenger again. In Wengers mind Arsenal belongs him and he would not allow another manager take Arsenal from him. He would get fired in any other big club and he knows it.


Careful.

I know it's frustrating times, but what Wenger is doing at Arsenal, is certainly not what any manager can do. 4th place is not guaranteed because you're Arsenal, it's not guaranteed because of your squad quality. Wenger has done a very good job. Maybe, not as good as you hoped, but certainly not to the point where any manager can come in and do the same as he has done. It certainly can get worse than it is.
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Re: Arsene Wenger Contract Discussion Thread

Post by MJ on Mon Mar 24, 2014 2:58 pm

United fans giving perspective, not even trolling, it's really a sobering look when you hope for a new manager.

@Artilleristen, that's an issue with the physios then. The only mistake he made in the transfer market was not signing a new striker. Unrealistic to expect to get quality on-loan to cover for injured players. And who could have predicted two of our top scorers, and our top assister would get injured?


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Re: Arsene Wenger Contract Discussion Thread

Post by Raptorgunner on Mon Mar 24, 2014 3:00 pm

MJGunner wrote:When he leaves it'll be to retire. Arsenal is his baby.

How can you say we won't win a major trophy when we're still poised to win at least one or, if we start taking it seriously, two.

Wenger cant motivate players enough. we are getting hammered in every big game, I really cant see us winning a big trophy unless he changes his tactics and puts his Top Top Top ego aside.

FA cup is gift wrapped, but we all know how we treat big games, and I dont consider FA cup a big trophy.

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Re: Arsene Wenger Contract Discussion Thread

Post by Lex on Mon Mar 24, 2014 3:35 pm

1970 = 12th
1971 = 1st + FA Cup winners
1972 = 5th
1973 = 2nd
1974 = 10th
1975 = 16th
1976 = 17th <----what a shit year that was
1977 = 8th
1978 = 5th
1979 = 7th + FA Cup winners
1980 = 4th
1981 = 3rd
1982 = 5th
1983 = 10th
1984 = 6th
1985 = 7th
1986 = 7th
1987 = 4th + League Cup winners
1988 = 6th
1989 = 1st
1990 = 4th
1991 = 1st + Charity Shield
1992 = 4th
1993 = 10th + FA Cup winners + League Cup winners
1994 = 4th + European Cup winners
1995 = 12th
1996 = 5th
Arsene Wenger is appointed
1997 = 3rd
1998 = 1st + FA Cup winners + Charity Shield
1999 = 2nd <---conceded 17 goals the entire campaign + Charity Shield
2000 = 2nd
2001 = 2nd
2002 = 1st + FA Cup winners + Charity Shield
2003 = 2nd <----Chelsea bought by a Russian criminal
2004 = 1st + Charity Shield
2005 = 2nd + FA Cup winners
2006 = 4th
2007 = 4th
2008 = 3rd
2009 = 4th
2010 = 3rd
2011 = 4th
2012 = 3rd
2013 = 4th
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Not only did Wenger's arrival bring almost instant success, he brought us stability and established us as as an elite club, too. Which manager, realistically, do people think can come in and do that?

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Re: Arsene Wenger Contract Discussion Thread

Post by Arquitescu on Mon Mar 24, 2014 3:38 pm

@Lex wrote:1970 = 12th
1971 = 1st + FA Cup winners
1972 = 5th
1973 = 2nd
1974 = 10th
1975 = 16th
1976 = 17th <----what a shit year that was
1977 = 8th
1978 = 5th
1979 = 7th + FA Cup winners
1980 = 4th
1981 = 3rd
1982 = 5th
1983 = 10th
1984 = 6th
1985 = 7th
1986 = 7th
1987 = 4th + League Cup winners
1988 = 6th
1989 = 1st
1990 = 4th
1991 = 1st + Charity Shield
1992 = 4th
1993 = 10th + FA Cup winners + League Cup winners
1994 = 4th + European Cup winners
1995 = 12th
1996 = 5th
Arsene Wenger is appointed
1997 = 3rd
1998 = 1st + FA Cup winners + Charity Shield
1999 = 2nd <---conceded 17 goals the entire campaign + Charity Shield
2000 = 2nd
2001 = 2nd
2002 = 1st + FA Cup winners + Charity Shield
2003 = 2nd <----Chelsea bought by a Russian criminal
2004 = 1st + Charity Shield
2005 = 2nd + FA Cup winners
2006 = 4th
2007 = 4th
2008 = 3rd
2009 = 4th
2010 = 3rd
2011 = 4th
2012 = 3rd
2013 = 4th
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Not only did Wenger's arrival bring almost instant success, he brought us stability and established us as as an elite club, too. Which manager, realistically, do people think can come in and do that?

No one.

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Re: Arsene Wenger Contract Discussion Thread

Post by Raptorgunner on Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:11 pm

Yes we all can agree he is the greatest coach Arsenal has had. Yes, cant be replaced, but who wants to replace him? there other coaches who can do the job in their own way.

I really dont care if Wenger stays or goes, but if people keep thinking there is no one else can do better job is funny. Its easy for other managers to read Wenger, the reason Wenger is not a tactician. He is not charismatic. And he is not Flexible enough to adapt.

We cant be afraid of change or else we will never know how the club fairs off without him.

Finally, he is a financial coach not a football coach. I do want him to stay and win the EPL or CL, but if he is not going to spend I dont want him at Arsenal after the season is done.


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Re: Arsene Wenger Contract Discussion Thread

Post by MJ on Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:13 pm

Wenger is not charismatic? Please, Raptor. No.

Did you miss the summer where he was hunting WC player after WC player and ended up signing one? What you're saying has no substance, mate.

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Re: Arsene Wenger Contract Discussion Thread

Post by MJ on Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:15 pm

@Raptorgunner wrote:
MJGunner wrote:When he leaves it'll be to retire. Arsenal is his baby.

How can you say we won't win a major trophy when we're still poised to win at least one or, if we start taking it seriously, two.

Wenger cant motivate players enough. we are getting hammered in every big game, I really cant see us winning a big trophy unless he changes his tactics and puts his Top Top Top ego aside.

FA cup is gift wrapped, but we all know how we treat big games, and I dont consider FA cup a big trophy.

Everyone knows the FA Cup is a big trophy. If you don't consider it one then there are only two trophies any team in the world can compete for and that's just bunkum. Why would managers even try to win the Copa Del Reys, Coppa Nazionales and FA Cups. They mean a massive amount with the historical significance and even the financial boost they bring.

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Re: Arsene Wenger Contract Discussion Thread

Post by Hapless_Hans on Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:33 pm

@Arquitescu wrote:
@Lex wrote:1970 = 12th
1971 = 1st + FA Cup winners
1972 = 5th
1973 = 2nd
1974 = 10th
1975 = 16th
1976 = 17th <----what a shit year that was
1977 = 8th
1978 = 5th
1979 = 7th + FA Cup winners
1980 = 4th
1981 = 3rd
1982 = 5th
1983 = 10th
1984 = 6th
1985 = 7th
1986 = 7th
1987 = 4th + League Cup winners
1988 = 6th
1989 = 1st
1990 = 4th
1991 = 1st + Charity Shield
1992 = 4th
1993 = 10th + FA Cup winners + League Cup winners
1994 = 4th + European Cup winners
1995 = 12th
1996 = 5th
Arsene Wenger is appointed
1997 = 3rd
1998 = 1st + FA Cup winners + Charity Shield
1999 = 2nd <---conceded 17 goals the entire campaign + Charity Shield
2000 = 2nd
2001 = 2nd
2002 = 1st + FA Cup winners + Charity Shield
2003 = 2nd <----Chelsea bought by a Russian criminal
2004 = 1st + Charity Shield
2005 = 2nd + FA Cup winners
2006 = 4th
2007 = 4th
2008 = 3rd
2009 = 4th
2010 = 3rd
2011 = 4th
2012 = 3rd
2013 = 4th
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Not only did Wenger's arrival bring almost instant success, he brought us stability and established us as as an elite club, too. Which manager, realistically, do people think can come in and do that?

No one.

But it's been done already, by Wenger. Question is 'now what'.

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Post by MJ on Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:46 pm

I think Wenger is asking himself that now. If we don't win anything he'll probably depart. He's stayed this long for the club's benefit during the financial difficulties, now that the tide is turning he'll feel that he'll be leaving the club in good standing.

Plus the yearly wave of criticism will surely have had him thinking that the fans won't want him here. If Arsenal fans drive Wenger out while we're still competing (especially if we win the FA Cup) I will never forgive them.

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Mon Mar 24, 2014 6:02 pm

He should leave with a final league title, tbh, and not earlier, however he needs to step it up so that can happen.

The team's capable, if he steps it up a bit.

Question is whether he actually feels he needs to step it up, or whether he just feels unlucky or hard done by.

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Post by Raptorgunner on Mon Mar 24, 2014 6:31 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:He should leave with a final league title, tbh, and not earlier, however he needs to step it up so that can happen.

The team's capable, if he steps it up a bit.

Question is whether he actually feels he needs to step it up, or whether he just feels unlucky or hard done by.
There needs to be a change. The name Arsenal is no longer synonymous with brilliance, we have become a shadow of our former selves and the worst part is that we are fine with it.
There is not much to step up, we have become content with, beating Spurs? 4th place. Next year or the years after might change things.
We barely play attractive football anymore, if so its always for a blink of a moment like the Rosicky goal or Wilshers, other then that we play a very slow tempo and do way to many back passes.

We really need to make changes, we have few hard games coming up, Everton and City will be Wengers last chance at big games.

Lets hope we finish the season strong and win the FA cup.

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Post by MJ on Mon Mar 24, 2014 8:23 pm

Who said we're fine with it? Where did all of this self-pitying talk come from?

Last I checked, we signed a WC player in the summer, have put up the most competitive season we've had in years, have landed key financial boosting deals and are poised for a potent summer in the transfer market.

There have been three games that are making people talk like this. And the fans moaning is literally the only thing riding against us, that and injuries.

This result does indicate that something is amiss and must be changed but this melodramatic narrative about the fall of Arsenal into mediocrity is what it is. Pitiful.

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:07 pm

basically agree, except I don't get what you mean with 'the fans moaning is literally the only thing riding against us', and injuries.

Surely you're not suggesting the attitude of fans has an influence on how good your team plays?

And injuries alone doesn't suffice aas an excuse, never has and never will.

By 'step it up' I mean you need to get real about getting a top striker, plus one or two further enforcements.

Just hoping luck will be on your side, and injuries will not occur, isn't enough.

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Post by EL Patron on Mon Mar 24, 2014 11:25 pm

The question is will he actually step it up ?.There is a sense of dejavu here. If you look back in the past seasons where we have challenged for the title you will see that we have always been one or two players away from being a title winning team but he has never gone into the market and done something about it.

There were seasons where a goalie or a striker or a defender would have certainly made a difference but he never did it anything about it. I hope he has learnt from the past title challenge failures and actually does something about it this time.

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Post by 6unner on Mon Mar 24, 2014 11:52 pm

@Busby Babe wrote:
@Raptorgunner wrote:
I dont care if he stays or goes, it cant get any worse than it is. With or with out him we are a 4th place team and unless he is going to spend, we will not win a major trophy under Wenger again. In Wengers mind Arsenal belongs him and he would not allow another manager take Arsenal from him. He would get fired in any other big club and he knows it.


Careful.

I know it's frustrating times, but what Wenger is doing at Arsenal, is certainly not what any manager can do. 4th place is not guaranteed because you're Arsenal, it's not guaranteed because of your squad quality. Wenger has done a very good job. Maybe, not as good as you hoped, but certainly not to the point where any manager can come in and do the same as he has done. It certainly can get worse than it is.


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Liverpool 5-1 Arsenal
Chelsea 6-0 Arsenal

Any manager other than Wenger would be worried when the teams that we are supposed to be able to compete with embarrass them like that. If Sir Alex would of had the record against the top 4 that we have he would have been fired also.

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Post by Busby Babe on Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:14 am

@6unner wrote:
@Busby Babe wrote:
@Raptorgunner wrote:
I dont care if he stays or goes, it cant get any worse than it is. With or with out him we are a 4th place team and unless he is going to spend, we will not win a major trophy under Wenger again. In Wengers mind Arsenal belongs him and he would not allow another manager take Arsenal from him. He would get fired in any other big club and he knows it.


Careful.

I know it's frustrating times, but what Wenger is doing at Arsenal, is certainly not what any manager can do. 4th place is not guaranteed because you're Arsenal, it's not guaranteed because of your squad quality. Wenger has done a very good job. Maybe, not as good as you hoped, but certainly not to the point where any manager can come in and do the same as he has done. It certainly can get worse than it is.


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Liverpool        5-1 Arsenal
Chelsea 6-0 Arsenal

Any manager other than Wenger would be worried when the teams that we are supposed to be able to compete with embarrass them like that. If Sir Alex would of had the record against the top 4 that we have he would have been fired also.

I'm not saying he's blameless for the results, but let's not underestimate him either. To assume you'd make top 4 with any/most managers is arrogant and is discrediting Wenger a lot. And no we wouldn't have sacked Sir Alex.
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Post by urbaNRoots on Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:52 am

Arsenal start planning for Arsene Wenger's exit as he prepares to sign just a two-year contract

By John Cross

The 64-year-old is understood to have agreed a fresh deal in principle, but it could be for less than the originally planned three seasons.

Mirror Sport understands manager Wenger has agreed the deal in principle and is preparing for next season by discussing transfer targets, improvements at the training ground and player contracts.

But intriguingly, the Frenchman's fresh pact with the Gunners he has managed since 1996 could be for only two years rather than the original idea of three, as Wenger knows the pressure is mounting on him from fans to win silverware.

Those two years would also give Arsenal time to line up potential replacements with Borussia Dortmund’s Jurgen Klopp, Pep Guardiola of Bayern Munich, Liverpool's Brendan Rodgers, Everton boss Roberto Martinez and Wenger's current No2 Steve Bould likely to be on their list.

However, suggestions circulating after Saturday’s humiliating defeat at Chelsea that Wenger is set to move on at the end of the season look premature.

The 64-year-old has made it clear that he wants to stay, could eventually move upstairs in some capacity and is likely to be asked for his input when it comes to choosing his successor.

However, while the club has to face up to life post-Wenger one day, the hierarchy's hope is that he wins more silverware and could yet further extend his stay.

The feeling at boardroom level is also that, having seen the problems David Moyes has had succeeding Sir Alex Ferguson after his 26 years as Manchester United boss, it will be very difficult to replace Wenger.

Two years sounds about right. After all he's been through the last few years, he deserves a chance to build a team without financial restrictions. But if we don't win the FA Cup AND finish in CL places, Wenger is going to step down by himself in my opinion.
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