Re: The Ilkay Gündogan Transfer Speculation Thread

[urbaNRoots]

People seem to be rating Gundogan like this is 2012. There are at least 20 midfielders who have been better than post-crisis Gundogan in Europe. Henderson could very well be in it.

This. Though I'm not sure Henderson is in that list.

[Rebaño Sagrado]

We'll get him if we're interested.

We can easily get him if we are interested. Doubt it though.

we could get him if we wanted him too.

[RealGunner]

Agreed

[Great Leader Sprucenuce]

People seem to be rating Gundogan like this is 2012. There are at least 20 midfielders who have been better than post-crisis Gundogan in Europe. Henderson could very well be in it.

Probably because no one has seen him, myself included. I'm loath to rate anyone ( positively or negatively ) on this years version of Dortmund though.

I'll judge him next year.

[Great Leader Sprucenuce]

For those that remember 2011, this is exactly like that season under Kenny when Liverpool fans were claiming that we had the best midfield (Lucas-Gerrard), the best CB partnership (Agger-Skrtel) the best RB (Johnson), the best keeper (Reina), and the best player (Suarez), the biggest balls, the longest cocks, the nicest cars,  etc and yet we finished 8th

Doesn't sound completely off the mark to me. Well, maybe the part with "best midfield (Lucas-Gerrard), the best CB partnership (Agger-Skrtel) the best RB (Johnson), the best keeper (Reina)" and "the biggest balls, the longest cocks, the nicest cars" might be wrong. But you DID have Suarez.

Suarez was meh as hell under Dogleash though, not even 10% the player he is now and even that's being generous.

[Hapless_Hans]

The only way he would ever come to Liverpool, would be if we actually got Klopp first.

I can see Emre Can - Gundogan German midfield work out perfectly under Klopp with Coutinho at AM

@Glory, you're way off mate. We're not looking for a DM. We're looking for a CM because Gerrard is leaving. We've got Lucas, Emre Can, and to a lesser extent Allen who can all do the job.

So Gundogan and Can are going to displace Henderson who is better than both? Yikes.

Henderson's better than Gündogan now? lol

[McAgger]

For those that remember 2011, this is exactly like that season under Kenny when Liverpool fans were claiming that we had the best midfield (Lucas-Gerrard), the best CB partnership (Agger-Skrtel) the best RB (Johnson), the best keeper (Reina), the best player (Suarez), the biggest balls, the longest cocks, the nicest cars,  etc and yet we finished 8th

Spoiler:

I was going to reply on this before I saw the spoiler quites

You reply little negative remarks at everything I post either way you weirdo stalker.

[Glory]

@Glory, you're way off mate. We're not looking for a DM. We're looking for a CM because Gerrard is leaving. We've got Lucas, Emre Can, and to a lesser extent Allen who can all do the job.

Yes I forgot about Lucas.
Can though I have only seen playing in defense. If he is a good DM then good for you. He need to start playing in midfield though soon. Otherwise his game might get affected, similar to Phil Jones who was chopped and changed and tried slotting in different positions similarly until last season.
Gerrard replacement Gundogan in that case.
So overall I admit I was way wrong there.

[Red Alert]

Only you and Red Alert would make such bizarre statements, Polar opposites in opinions yet eerily similar outrageousness, the yin to his yang if you would. Think I'm call you two that.

You're a clown

My opinion on El Cujo are well known. Even then, I have a lot more respect to him than I do for you. As deluded as he is, he actually believes in / stands for what he posts.

You literally have over 20,000 posts. Let's break it down.

At least 20% of those are you wanting to get on your knees and wanting to have Brendan Rodgers potential children all in and around your mouth.
There's 20% of those saying you dislike Rodgers and think he should get sacked.
There's 20% of you calling me a deluded / a pessimist where surprise surprise 6 months later you're saying the exact same shit despite thinking you're some sort of football know it all.
There's 15% that's all in the off topic section.
There's 5% that's not Liverpool related. (Which I guess is part of the one above but what do you do.)
Last 20%??? Who knows. But something irrelevant I bet.

So do me a favor and have a word with yourself. Really sick and tired of you pulling me (bad choice of words but I BET YOU WISH I WAS RODGERS RIGHT NOW AMIRITE?!) into every little spat you have with old mate. You're more deluded than he is. So yeah. You can continue being a laughing stock if you want to be, but just leave me out of it? That's all I ask of you. Ta.

[Red Alert]

Suarez was meh as hell under Dogleash though, not even 10% the player he is now and even that's being generous.

Not sure if Mole or James.

"Not even 10% the player ........... being generous"

[Great Leader Sprucenuce]

He wasn't lol, the Suarez of today wouldn't have allowed himself to marked out the game by James *bleep* Perch.

[Red Alert]

He was essentially the same player.

He had to settle to a new country/league in a new position to him.

He was asked to carry us with the likes of Downing, washed up Kuyt, Carroll etc next to him.

He struggled scoring goals (where to be fair, he hit the woodwork alot early in his career) but he didn't really improve much upon anything else. He already had the movement, hunger, playmaking etc from Ajax. The only thing he's really improved on in the last couple of years is a killer instinct and a better tactical awareness/understanding of playing as a lone striker.

[Abramovich]

For those that remember 2011, this is exactly like that season under Kenny when Liverpool fans were claiming that we had the best midfield (Lucas-Gerrard), the best CB partnership (Agger-Skrtel) the best RB (Johnson), the best keeper (Reina), the best player (Suarez), the biggest balls, the longest cocks, the nicest cars,  etc and yet we finished 8th

Spoiler:

I was going to reply on this before I saw the spoiler quites

You reply little negative remarks at everything I post either way you weirdo stalker.

You know that's not true, stop feeling victimsed.

Everyone gets his fair share and turn, although by default the ones who post more receive more

On topic let's pray Man Utd don't get him.

[Curtinho]

Henderson's better than Gündogan now? lol

This version of Gundogan, yeah. As was mentioned by another poster the Gundogan playing this year is not near the same level as the Gundogan of 2012 or earlier. It's clear that the injury took a lot out of him (well, again, from my limited viewing with amounts to maybe 7 or 8 games). Now whether that's a permanent dip in form because he just can't play the same anymore or if it's something he's going to have to build up to remains to be seen.

Again though I don't know what Henderson has to do to get respect. Probably because he's British. His first job is to press, close down space and generally control the midfield when he is playing and he does that (usually) very well, but on top of that he also has the 2nd best goals + assists in the league amongst midfielders behind only Fabregas. His work rate is second to none, and he doesn't make a lot of mistakes. If he were German people would be going nuts over him.

[terrance511]

straight clicked page 7, mind blown.

[MaraVilla]

sneaking AC Milan into the poll

Would love pre injured gundogan to be at barca, but not sure about the current version. Hopefully he can get back to his best with more games under his belt.

[Hapless_Hans]

Henderson's better than Gündogan now? lol

This version of Gundogan, yeah. As was mentioned by another poster the Gundogan playing this year is not near the same level as the Gundogan of 2012 or earlier. It's clear that the injury took a lot out of him (well, again, from my limited viewing with amounts to maybe 7 or 8 games). Now whether that's a permanent dip in form because he just can't play the same anymore or if it's something he's going to have to build up to remains to be seen.

Again though I don't know what Henderson has to do to get respect. Probably because he's British. His first job is to press, close down space and generally control the midfield when he is playing and he does that (usually) very well, but on top of that he also has the 2nd best goals + assists in the league amongst midfielders behind only Fabregas. His work rate is second to none, and he doesn't make a lot of mistakes. If he were German people would be going nuts over him.

Right. British players are so underrated.

[Curtinho]

By anyone outside of the media I actually feel that they are. I don't rate a lot of British players personally, but I find that there is a stigma surrounding them for sure. Harry Kane is another guy I think a lot of people have questions about because he's British.

Henderson's break-out was last year, but he always had the talent, technical ability and drive to become this player. This year he even improved on last (one of the only players at Liverpool to actually improve on the previous season).

Don't get me wrong I would love to have Gundogan to play alongside Henderson (though his back injury still does worry me just because it's such a tricky area and a very severe injury, like the knees), but nobody is coming into Liverpool right now and replacing him. Not only is he a top tier midfielder anyway, but he's also our next captain.

[futbol]

No bump? Strange.



Rummenigge and Watzke having coffee. Negotiating for Gündogan according to BILD.

[Great Leader Sprucenuce]

No bump? Strange.



Rummenigge and Watzke having coffee. Negotiating for young Dortmund starlet Cappuccino according to BILD.

[farfan]

the cafe is called " infidel "

[futbol]

the cafe is called " infidel "

In German it means "beetle/bug".

[RealGunner]

I assume the 'a' is pronounced in some weird way?

k'aa'fir would mean infidel. something like k-aeusadeurhe-fer wouldn't

[Hapless_Hans]

I assume the 'a' is pronounced in some weird way?

k'aa'fir would mean infidel. something like k-aeusadeurhe-fer wouldn't

really RG? really?

[RealGunner]

sorry

[futbol]

It says Käfer, not Käfir, you plebs.

"ä" is pronounced pretty much like a in English tbh. Like the "a" in "band". It's the normal "a" in German that is actually pronounced differently. Like "u" in "cup".

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