Re: The Ilkay Gündogan Transfer Speculation Thread

by Hapless_Hans Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:19 pm

sure. why you think van Gaal wants him as Carrick replacement?

by Glory Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:20 pm

lol nobody so far thinks he will go to Bayern at least in the poll. Razz

by Hapless_Hans Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:21 pm

me neither tbh

by Glory Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:23 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:sure. why you think van Gaal wants him as Carrick replacement?

Fellaini replacement. Carrick will play at least a season and a half at top level. He is still quality. Blind is carrick's backup.
that midfield will realize the possession football/positional play he want to implement here. Fellaini is a mere short term option/ squad player.

carrick
herrera-gundogan

by Hapless_Hans Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:25 pm

Glory wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:sure. why you think van Gaal wants him as Carrick replacement?

Fellaini replacement. Carrick will play at least a season and a half at top level. He is still quality. Blind is carrick's backup.
that midfield will realize the possession football/positional play he want to implement here. Fellaini is a mere short term option/ squad player.
carrick
herrera-gundogan

good luck hoofing it to Gündogan hmm

by S Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:33 pm

Glory wrote:lol nobody so far thinks he will go to Bayern at least in the poll.

But thats exactly whats going to happen though.

Dortmund player
Midfielder
A Buyern medical team nightmare

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by Hapless_Hans Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:35 pm

by Glory Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:36 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:
Glory wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:sure. why you think van Gaal wants him as Carrick replacement?

Fellaini replacement. Carrick will play at least a season and a half at top level. He is still quality. Blind is carrick's backup.
that midfield will realize the possession football/positional play he want to implement here. Fellaini is a mere short term option/ squad player.
carrick
herrera-gundogan

good luck hoofing it to Gündogan

well,Hoofing to fellaini is the only way to play with an in-form fellaini in any side. His strength demands that approach. So naturally annoyed opposition fans/managers and purists will mock us calling names. But if its a strategy that is working and if fellaini himself is playing well in that role, whats wrong in using that as a temporary option until someone better is brought ?
But if ya guys think that its going to be a permanent trend at united, with fellaini as the main man and stoke like tactics as the default tactics, then well, what can I say. prepare for a surprise next season may be ? Razz

by Gil Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:04 pm

We'll get him if we're interested.

by Winter is Coming Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:56 pm

Going to be an interesting summer.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:57 pm

Gil wrote:We'll get him if we're interested.

I thought Fabregas was the GOAT CM?!

by Sri Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:58 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:don't really understand that sri. midfielder doesn't equal midfielder.
If you want someone for the Arteta spot who else is better? Illaramendi for the same money?

It's true - we should have some spots freeing up with Diaby and mostly one of Rosicky/Cazorla/Arteta gone. Arteta looks most likely to extend and the Cazorla rumours don't go away. Rosicky will mostly want to leave for regular game time. Would leave us with Wilshere, Ramsey, Coquelin - not including youth players or Chambers (who's supposed to be a DM). We could do with him, but just don't see AW as wanting to strengthen there.

Besides, I think midfield is the most likely candidate for the next edition of our annual injury mayhem. :coffee:

by Abramovich Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:11 pm

Fußball wrote:
srigooner wrote:
Fußball wrote:

Dortmund player: check.
German international: check.
Dortmund player: check.
Also Dortmund player: check.

Ticks all the boxes.

But with Pepdiola at the helm

My bad.

Dortmund player: check.
German international: check.
Midfielder: check.
Dortmund player: check.
Also Dortmund player: check.

Ticks all the boxes.

You forgot the most important one.

Can we weaken a rival team in the league if we sign him: Check.

by BarrileteCosmico Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:43 pm

Pls Abra, Bayern doesn't have rival teams in Germany : lucas :

by McAgger Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:52 pm

The only way he would ever come to Liverpool, would be if we actually got Klopp first.

I can see Emre Can - Gundogan German midfield work out perfectly under Klopp with Coutinho at AM Proud

@Glory, you're way off mate. We're not looking for a DM. We're looking for a CM because Gerrard is leaving. We've got Lucas, Emre Can, and to a lesser extent Allen who can all do the job.

by RealGunner Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:05 pm

We can easily get him if we are interested. Doubt it though.

by Curtinho Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:21 pm

Don't call me James wrote:The only way he would ever come to Liverpool, would be if we actually got Klopp first.

I can see Emre Can - Gundogan German midfield work out perfectly under Klopp with Coutinho at AM

@Glory, you're way off mate. We're not looking for a DM. We're looking for a CM because Gerrard is leaving. We've got Lucas, Emre Can, and to a lesser extent Allen who can all do the job.

So Gundogan and Can are going to displace Henderson who is better than both? Yikes.

by McAgger Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:24 pm

Under Klopp they would Proud

Henderson better than Gundogan rofl

Only you and Red Alert would make such bizarre statements, Polar opposites in opinions yet eerily similar outrageousness, the yin to his yang if you would. Think I'm call you two that.

by Curtinho Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:33 pm

I think you're throwing stones in a glass house there commenting on other peoples' 'outrageous statements', but yes Henderson is currently better than Gundogan. Pre-injury no, but he has yet to hit that level since coming back.

by RealGunner Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:34 pm

People seem to be rating Gundogan like this is 2012. There are at least 20 midfielders who have been better than post-crisis Gundogan in Europe. Henderson could very well be in it.

by McAgger Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:40 pm

Gundogan with his fat belly and crutches would still be better than Henderson.

Tell me this if we have the best players and the best manager in the league why are we so shit?

For those that remember 2011, this is exactly like that season under Kenny when Liverpool fans were claiming that we had the best midfield (Lucas-Gerrard), the best CB partnership (Agger-Skrtel) the best RB (Johnson), the best keeper (Reina), the best player (Suarez), the biggest balls, the longest cocks, the nicest cars, etc and yet we finished 8th rofl

Spoiler:

by futbol Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:43 pm

Don't call me James wrote:

For those that remember 2011, this is exactly like that season under Kenny when Liverpool fans were claiming that we had the best midfield (Lucas-Gerrard), the best CB partnership (Agger-Skrtel) the best RB (Johnson), the best keeper (Reina), and the best player (Suarez), the biggest balls, the longest cocks, the nicest cars, etc and yet we finished 8th

Doesn't sound completely off the mark to me. Well, maybe the part with "best midfield (Lucas-Gerrard), the best CB partnership (Agger-Skrtel) the best RB (Johnson), the best keeper (Reina)" and "the biggest balls, the longest cocks, the nicest cars" might be wrong. But you DID have Suarez. hmm

by M99 Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:11 pm

Bee will get him on Klopp's request.

by Curtinho Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:18 pm

Who ever claimed we have the best players? Anyone? In fact the only players that I've really rated, and seen consistently rated this season, are Henderson and Coutinho. But I can see why you would be confused thinking they are 'all' the Liverpool players given our team's on-pitch performances this year.

In fact I've constantly talked about how the other members of the top 5 have much better squads and depth than us, as well as top tier managers and more money yet you guys are bitching like Liverpool 'deserve' a top 4 spot and Rodgers is a fraud because he couldn't take us there on the back of the current squad.

But yeah, Henderson is better than Gundogan right now. He has been decidedly average this season for every game I've seen of Dortmund (which admittedly is not many) but most Dortmund fans have said the same. He would not walk into Liverpool and displace Henderson and Can certainly isn't close to Henderson yet (if we were to sign Gundogan he would play WITH Henderson...and Henderson is a dream type player for Klopp anyway).

by Abramovich Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:35 pm

Don't call me James wrote:

For those that remember 2011, this is exactly like that season under Kenny when Liverpool fans were claiming that we had the best midfield (Lucas-Gerrard), the best CB partnership (Agger-Skrtel) the best RB (Johnson), the best keeper (Reina), the best player (Suarez), the biggest balls, the longest cocks, the nicest cars, etc and yet we finished 8th

Spoiler:

I was going to reply on this before I saw the spoiler quites Laughing

Original post for me:

That sounds very much like something you would have been saying, or were you supporting Real Madrid back then silent

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by urbaNRoots Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:08 pm

RealGunner wrote:People seem to be rating Gundogan like this is 2012. There are at least 20 midfielders who have been better than post-crisis Gundogan in Europe. Henderson could very well be in it.

This. Though I'm not sure Henderson is in that list.

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