All about Mesut Özil

Think a mod merged a different Ozil thread with this.

Silva has been the only light in City's indifferent form so far this year. Been getting back to his immaculate best with his touches and through balls, and also scoring.

Ozil not even the best midfielder in our team, that's Cazorla. He's done better and put in more effort than he has before, yes, but has been nothing special so far.

Hapless_Hans wrote:

El Gunner wrote:Who renamed my thread title??
Surely there's a breach there somewhere on my privacy and right to freedom of speech.

I do agree. Unacceptable, revisionist, unneccesary.

Thank You

El Gunner wrote:Who renamed my thread title??
Surely there's a breach there somewhere on my privacy and right to freedom of speech.

I did, because the topic did not reflect the discussion anymore. If you insist you can rename it back, but I think the discussion has evolved pretty far away by now.

Meh it's okay I guess.
Not really worth it bitching about something this silly.

El Gunner wrote:Silva has been the only light in City's indifferent form so far this year. Been getting back to his immaculate best with his touches and through balls, and also scoring.

Ozil not even the best midfielder in our team, that's Cazorla. He's done better and put in more effort than he has before, yes, but has been nothing special so far.

I think we both know that you had to make all of that up just for the sake of it.

Silva has been poor, and all the stats back that up along with his performances. Before today, he had 1 goal and 0 assists in the last 8 app. Ozil surpassed that in 4 games. He has been instrumental in all of our wins with being a top 3 at least in most of those games if not MOTM(like against Villa and Leicester) and was even our best player against Spurs.

I have no idea what you want him to do to like him but if his goals and assists are not doing anything for you, then you should just admit you don't like him in any way and it is no longer a question about his effort.

You can't use short-term stats to compare players. If you do, QPR's Matthew Phillips is one of the best wingers in the league, three assists in his last two games.

Silva is simply a better player than Özil. He makes the whole City attack tick and is incredibly versatile. What has made him less effective recently is what has made the whole City team less effective, missing Yaya in midfield and even Nasri missed a few games and before that they didn't have Aguero. It's a tough task to be a great AM when behind you you have the spiritual brothers Fernando and Fernandinho, out on the right the I'm-one-with-the-sideline Navas and at worst James Milner starting as striker.

Özil is a fine player and world-class on his day, but Silva is simply even better. He just oozes class and makes everyone around him better.

Looking at minutes-per-goal-or-assist, also surpasses Özil in that category when you look at the whole season.

What I don't get is why some Arsenal fans preach on him instantly when he does something good that's minor.

It's like they want him to be that good, that they start overhyping and overrating his performances just for the sake of it.

When talking about Özil, the subject I find the most interesting right now is Theo Walcott; does he fit in the XI and if he doesn't, should he look for a move?

What's Arsenal's best XI attacking-wise anyway?

Giroud; Sanchez, Özil, Walcott?
Giroud; Sanchez, Özil, Cazorla?

Welbeck started today and Walcott didn't play, was he injured or just a matter of preference?

Art Morte wrote:You can't use short-term stats to compare players. If you do, QPR's Matthew Phillips is one of the best wingers in the league, three assists in his last two games.

Silva is simply a better player than Özil. He makes the whole City attack tick and is incredibly versatile. What has made him less effective recently is what has made the whole City team less effective, missing Yaya in midfield and even Nasri missed a few games and before that they didn't have Aguero. It's a tough task to be a great AM when behind you you have the spiritual brothers Fernando and Fernandinho, out on the right the I'm-one-with-the-sideline Navas and at worst James Milner starting as striker.

Özil is a fine player and world-class on his day, but Silva is simply even better. He just oozes class and makes everyone around him better.

Looking at minutes-per-goal-or-assist, also surpasses Özil in that category when you look at the whole season.

Last eight apps is a huge difference compared to last two. That's over the span of more than a month whereas two games could be three days apart so it's not ridiculous to say something like that, how is that 'short term stats?'

And you can only play with what you have, Silva is having a good goalscoring season and is definitely one of the best CAMs in the world but he's suffering without Toure, right?

I don't recall anything but a barrage of criticism last year when Özil dared step onto the pitch without coming off of it with 4 assists and a Ballon d'Or even though Walcott, Ramsey (and Özil himself) were injured for huge amounts of the season, depriving him of his best runners and goal threats. His options were horrible and to cap it off, Wenger decided to change our system and have all of our creative players rely on Mathieu Flamini for protection while playing Özil on the left this season. So if you pull that card, it's only fair to put it in perspective with the criticism Özil was getting.

They're both world class players, I wouldn't boldly say one is better than the other or speculate what it is that they might ooze but it's just ridiculous not to praise Özil's form since his return. He's stepped up his game and has been great. End of.

El Gunner wrote:What I don't get is why some Arsenal fans preach on him instantly when he does something good that's minor.

It's like they want him to be that good, that they start overhyping and overrating his performances just for the sake of it.

Agree.
I'm completely at a loss to understand why fans of a team might appreciate it if a player does something good for their team.
Makes way more sense to moan about your team's players without any reason.

Özil may well have been great, but I wouldn't say he's been better than Silva and generally speaking I'd say Silva is better.

Ozil is better than Silva and the best AM in the world when in-form. Silva may be a bit better dribbler though.

last time Ozil was in form was two years ago

He's in form now. At least, he's in the best form he's been in since his first couple of months with us. Not as good as Silva has been, mind you, but there's an encouraging upturn in the level of his performances which has coincided with the team's improvement in form.

When talking about Özil, the subject I find the most interesting right now is Theo Walcott; does he fit in the XI and if he doesn't, should he look for a move? hmm

What's Arsenal's best XI attacking-wise anyway?

Giroud; Sanchez, Özil, Walcott?
Giroud; Sanchez, Özil, Cazorla?

Welbeck started today and Walcott didn't play, was he injured or just a matter of preference?

Slightly off-topic, but Walcott has only just come back from an ACL injury, so we're being cautious with him while we still have options at RW. No doubt one of our forwards will pick up an injury soon and render the "best attack" discussion pointless.

Hapless_Hans wrote:

El Gunner wrote:What I don't get is why some Arsenal fans preach on him instantly when he does something good that's minor.

It's like they want him to be that good, that they start overhyping and overrating his performances just for the sake of it.

Agree.
I'm completely at a loss to understand why fans of a team might appreciate it if a player does something good for their team.
Makes way more sense to moan about your team's players without any reason.

I haven't actually moaned since he has returned. Like I said he has done well.

It's just the overreactions I don't like. The guy is nothing special. And I'm with Art. Silva is in general a better player than him.

To each his own, some prefer Silva, some prefer Özil, I don't think there's a right or wrong there but to say Özil is 'nothing special' leaves you in an extremely minute minority.

El Gunner wrote:What I don't get is why some Arsenal fans preach on him instantly when he does something good that's minor.

Wouldn't you want a player to be good, too, if he cost you 50 mio Euros? I think that reaction is pretty straightforward.

people saying ozil is better than silva. ozil is a 70 min player on a good day. and a passenger on most days. he has talent. but in the big games he folds like a cheap deck chair.

I have seen Silva be a passenger many times, Fabregas be a passenger, Iniesta be a passenger, Xavi be a passenger and so on.

The whole thing is massively overblown, Ozil was great last year when he was actually available and wasn't being deployed as a winger. He struggled this season because he was limited to a role he cannot be.

Put Ronaldo at CM and see how well it goes, this was just as moronic. For all the superlatives about Silva he's as inconsistent as anyone in the world, he went 2 years basically contributing nothing yet no one said a thing.

People like to be negative about certain players and positive about others and won't change no matter what and the argument constantly changes depending on what side of the fence you are in.

Ozil is clearly a great player when he's not asked to be Aaron Lennon and is clearly special at what he does, absolutely nonsense to suggest otherwise.

Art Morte wrote:

RealGunner wrote:Has been absolutely fantastic since coming back from injury. Bulked up and is physically miles better. Has been outperforming the likes of Silva, Cesc and other pretenders. Only Cazorla and Hazard have been better

No.

RG is right, since coming back he has been and because Silva is loved by all no matter what he does he'll never be criticised.

He went basically 18 months being absolutely crap, after his fantastic debut season yet no one said a thing. A lot worse than anything Ozil has done.

But anyway back to the current day, RG is right since Ozil has been back he's been better than those players mentioned. Not to mention Silva has been absolutely crap without Yaya, where was the criticism of Silva when Yaya was at AFCON and he failed to keep the team competitive.

Which ultimately led from City being level on points to 8 points behind, because I guarantee right now if Ozil had done the same we wouldn't stop being told about how he's a flop, a passenger etc etc.

People can't be consistent with their criticism and praise to save their lives lol.

Also it's funny how Arsenal results get drastically worse when this not so special passenger is out of the team and they get drastically better when he's in the team

I don't think anyone disagrees that he's an important player for Arsenal, the debate has always been whether he's "world class" or not, but he's obviously a very good player in almost everyone's eyes.

It is difficult to compare Silva and Ozil. Although they play similar positions they have completely different approaches to the game. Silva relies more on vision, playmaking, passing and off the ball movement. Ozil for me is more technical, relying on quick bursts of movement, dribbling and killer passes.

Both when on form are almost unstoppable. Can be difficult to find that form though, particularly with Ozil

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:RG is right, since coming back he has been and because Silva is loved by all no matter what he does he'll never be criticised.

He went basically 18 months being absolutely crap, after his fantastic debut season yet no one said a thing. A lot worse than anything Ozil has done.

But anyway back to the current day, RG is right since Ozil has been back he's been better than those players mentioned. Not to mention Silva has been absolutely crap without Yaya, where was the criticism of Silva when Yaya was at AFCON and he failed to keep the team competitive.

Which ultimately led from City being level on points to 8 points behind, because I guarantee right now if Ozil had done the same we wouldn't stop being told about how he's a flop, a passenger etc etc.

People can't be consistent with their criticism and praise to save their lives lol.

So now Silva has the singular responsibility of carrying City when Toure is out and it's entirely his fault when City lose points? It has nothing to do with all the forwards being out at some point between December and February, Kompany being found out, and Mangala flopping? Not to mention Silva himself only recovered from an injury over a month long in December. Their forward situation was so bad they had to panic buy Bony to make sure it doesn't happen again.

I agree that Silva has largely been a spectator over the past year but this post is ridiculous.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:I have seen Silva be a passenger many times, Fabregas be a passenger, Iniesta be a passenger, Xavi be a passenger and so on.

The whole thing is massively overblown, Ozil was great last year when he was actually available and wasn't being deployed as a winger. He struggled this season because he was limited to a role he cannot be.

Put Ronaldo at CM and see how well it goes, this was just as moronic. For all the superlatives about Silva he's as inconsistent as anyone in the world, he went 2 years basically contributing nothing yet no one said a thing.

People like to be negative about certain players and positive about others and won't change no matter what and the argument constantly changes depending on what side of the fence you are in.

Ozil is clearly a great player when he's not asked to be Aaron Lennon and is clearly special at what he does, absolutely nonsense to suggest otherwise.

ozil is not a great player imo. at Madrid he was a 70-80 min player and was subbed most of the time. in the big games for arsenal he is poor. take the spurs game. he started well got the goal then spurs put the pressure on. and that was the last we saw of him. imo ozil is a fair weather player.