Re: Barcelona given 2 transfer periods transfer ban by FIFA

by harhar11 Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:32 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:
halamadrid2 wrote:
CBarca wrote:I think I'm just going to wait until FIFA does this to other clubs to say anything. Then again, I guess the other clubs are getting a head start on trying to fix this before FIFA comes after them, seeing as Barca is being punished before anyone else.

Barca were warned last year if I am not mistaken and they ignored the warning hence this ban

What Bartomeu said indeed sounds like there was communication about this with FIFA, but instead of Barca trying to change their behaviour and comply with the rules they were instead trying to persuade FIFA that they shouldn't have to follow them in the first place.

Bart also said that when Fifa comunicated with them regarding the players, they stopped playing official games with them..

by izzy Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:35 pm

So much whining. Laughing

'But, what about them!? I think they did it too!!!!'

stfu. Laughing

by Hapless_Hans Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:45 pm

Khaled wrote:The board made a big mistake by letting the case reach this stage were Barcelona gets banned and its all over the media which destroys the image of the club.

But, I do agree with the board that these kind of laws which treat all cases the same should be changed. It should be taken case by case... The GOAL of the law is to protect minors. So, how did Barcelona do anything wrong when they are offering these kids and their parents a better life and an opportunity to achieve their dreams?

Stupid board, Stupid law!

What does that even mean 'case by case'. You think Barca isn't sanctioned for specific cases?

Or are you saying, there is a law, which formulates certain criteria for something to be legal, but then the procedure should NOT be to check if cases comply with the law, but instead to check if the law should be adhered to or not in certain cases?

That defies every logic, no legal system can work that way. Of course not every case is the same, but the law has to be the same for every case. That's the FUNDAMENTAL principle of law per se. Neutral

If you say the law isn't good, that's one thing, but Bartomeu actually said La Masia should be 'made exempt' from the law...

by Casciavit Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:49 pm

So..

Bartomeu basically said that since Barca have La Masia, the rule shouldn't apply to them?

rofl

by RED Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:54 pm

The sense of entitlement and the whole 'holier than thou' attitude from the club is embarrassing.

by The_Badger Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:07 pm

halamadrid2 wrote:
CBarca wrote:I think I'm just going to wait until FIFA does this to other clubs to say anything. Then again, I guess the other clubs are getting a head start on trying to fix this before FIFA comes after them, seeing as Barca is being punished before anyone else.

Barca were warned last year if I am not mistaken and they ignored the warning hence this ban

Proof?

by halamadrid2 Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:38 pm

The_Badger wrote:
Proof?

from an article

Bartomeu criticized that Barcelona only received the final notice from football’s world governing body on Tuesday when the decision by its Disciplinary Committee had already been made on November 28.

That See yung loo kid has been playing non stop since then (the rest probably have as well) hence barca have ignored warnings thinking it would go away

by The_Badger Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:28 pm

That doesn't suggest the were warned though. He's criticising the fact that a decision was made four months before they were informed.

by halamadrid2 Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:22 pm

Na, Bartomeu is pissed Fifa notified them of breaching the rule in Nov but only now did they inform them of a ban, he is unhappy they weren't told in Nov that they would be banned from two transfer windows in beforehand meaning they could have strengthened in Jan which would make the transfer ban uselees and void. Good for Fifa for not letting them use loop holes to avoid being punished

And the fact that Barca were still playing a kid (maybe more) after they were told they broke the rule screams of arrogance and disrespect

by The_Badger Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:32 pm

Where does it say they were warned in November? The quote you posted states the DC made a final decision in that month, no where did it suggest they informed Barca of it.

Where is that quote from anyway? Do you have a link to the source?

by halamadrid2 Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:45 pm

The_Badger wrote:Where does it say they were warned in November? The quote you posted states the DC made a final decision in that month, no where did it suggest they informed Barca of it.

Where is that quote from anyway? Do you have a link to the source?

Here is the source. Think there is a video in there somewhere of his talk

http://as.com/diarioas/2014/04/03/english/1396547384_394753.html

Basically what I took away from it was that Barca had been told they broke the rules in Nov, Rossell (who was the president of the time) wrote to them to make a few exceptions which Fifa refused (by the looks of it) and Fifa finally gave Barca and official transfer ban many months later without informing them beforehand that would be the case and now Bartomeu is throwing a hissy fit because their summer is in jeopardy and they will need to do business with Benatias and Stegens dads to prevent them going somewhere else before Barca have a chance of getting them

This is before evil Madrid have even gotten Uefa/Fifa involved in the Neymar case Laughing

by S Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:49 pm

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger believes that Barcelona are guilty of breaching Fifa regulations with regards to their recruitment of Under-16 players.

The Blaugrana were handed a two-window transfer ban earlier this week, but the club have vowed to fight the sanctions.

However, Wenger, who clashed with the Catalans on numerous occasions over their public pursuit of former Gunners skipper Cesc Fabregas, believes they definitely did not follow protocol.

"It's certain that they haven't followed the rules," he is quoted as saying by Sport.

"The rule is very clear: you cannot sign players under 16 unless their parents change residence for professional reasons.

"But it creats a debate - should parents change residence for professional reasons or not?

"What is not fair is that children under 16 move without their parents. This should be very clear."

by The_Badger Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:56 pm

halamadrid2 wrote:
The_Badger wrote:Where does it say they were warned in November? The quote you posted states the DC made a final decision in that month, no where did it suggest they informed Barca of it.

Where is that quote from anyway? Do you have a link to the source?

Here is the source. Think there is a video in there somewhere of his talk

http://as.com/diarioas/2014/04/03/english/1396547384_394753.html

Basically what I took away from it was that Barca had been told they broke the rules in Nov, Rossell (who was the president of the time) wrote to them to make a few exceptions which Fifa refused (by the looks of it) and Fifa finally gave Barca and official transfer ban many months later without informing them beforehand that would be the case and now Bartomeu is throwing a hissy fit because their summer is in jeopardy and they will need to do business with Benatias and Stegens dads to prevent them going somewhere else before Barca have a chance of getting them

This is before evil Madrid have even gotten Uefa/Fifa involved in the Neymar case

There's no evidence in this report that remotely suggests Barca were warned beforehand though. It appears you (and a few others) have invented that idea to add insult to injury.

Bartomeu's "hissy fit" is understandable; his club have been punished for violating rules and it took the Disciplinary Committee four months to inform them.

by rwo power Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:00 pm

Well, Sky Sport News HD in Germany reported that Barca were warned. The problem is that they said it on TV in the news programme so I don't have a link for it.

by halamadrid2 Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:01 pm

I thought they were merely warned but it might be even worse than I thought lol. It looks like Barca were found to have breached the rules then and punished now. With Barca continuing to play the players Fifa had mentioned in between those dates

by rwo power Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:04 pm

Okay, I found something from our dear tabloid BILD:

"Nach Anzeigen ihrer Verbände wurde Barca am 6. März 2013 von der Fifa gewarnt, diese Spieler einzusetzen. Sie machen seitdem nur Testspiele."

This says Barca were warned on 6th March 2013 to let them play.

Source http://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/fc-barcelona/transfer-verbot-35340382.bild.html

by halamadrid2 Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:09 pm

well that makes much more sense, they were warned in March 2013, Barca ignored this, In Nov 2013 they were found guilty of breaching the rules, they continued playing the kids and in April 2014 they were finally handed a very generous transfer ban. And now they are moaning

by The_Badger Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:14 pm

Why has FIFA not made public this warning?

by M99 Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:49 pm

The_Badger wrote:Why has FIFA not made public this warning?

What would be the point of making the warning public? If Barca followed the rules after they received their private warning instead of requesting to be put above the rules just because they got La Masia, no one would have even known they did any wrongdoing.

by The_Badger Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:11 am

M99 wrote:
The_Badger wrote:Why has FIFA not made public this warning?

What would be the point of making the warning public? If Barca followed the rules after they received their private warning instead of requesting to be put above the rules just because they got La Masia, no one would have even known they did any wrongdoing.

I meant now. Now that they've punished them.

If such a warning did happen why have FIFA not mentioned anything, why is a rag like Bild the only outlet claiming such?

by harhar11 Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:24 am

halamadrid2 wrote:
The_Badger wrote:
Proof?

from an article
Bartomeu criticized that Barcelona only received the final notice from football’s world governing body on Tuesday when the decision by its Disciplinary Committee had already been made on November 28.

That See yung loo kid has been playing non stop since then (the rest probably have as well) hence barca have ignored warnings thinking it would go away

Where did you get this misinformation? Barca said that once they got warned, these kids stopped playing official games with Barça..

by harhar11 Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:25 am

izzy wrote:So much whining.

'But, what about them!? I think they did it too!!!!'

stfu.

All I am saying, is that it's naive to think that no other team does this.

by izzy Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:29 am

harhar11 wrote:All I am saying, is that it's naive to think that no other team does this.

You're whining.

Also, did Fifa (or anyone else for that matter) say no other club has done this?

This is about Barca, not about everybody else. Barca broke the rules. Barca got caught. Barca are getting punished. Period.

by harhar11 Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:36 am

izzy wrote:
harhar11 wrote:All I am saying, is that it's naive to think that no other team does this.

You're whining.

Also, did Fifa (or anyone else for that matter) say no other club has done this?

This is about Barca, not about everybody else. Barca broke the rules. Barca got caught. Barca are getting punished. Period.

I was quoting Lex, who said that Barça were the only team with 10 U-18 in europe.

by izzy Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:40 am

harhar11 wrote:I was quoting Lex, who said that Barça were the only team with 10 U-18 in europe.

You've been up and down this thread whining, complaining and crying about other teams long after Lex made his comment.

It ain't about other teams.
But, if you have the proof to indicte the others you are complaining about, go submit it to Fifa.

by Cassius Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:43 am

The lulz when it comes out half of the top teams in Europe do this and nothing happens to them.

To be fair to Harhar there is an article floating about saying another 30 teams are under investigation from Spain and England. And IMO to think it's only Barca that have done this is kind of naive. But then again, there's no chance so many teams will be banned from transfers.

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