Re: The Official Winter Transfer Rumours Thread

[RedOranje]

Keep in mind that those are Falcao's wages AFTER TAX as well... if my knowledge of England's taxes are solid that's around 500k/week prior to taxes.

[Peccadillo]

If we consider Ospina a Fabianski upgrade
If we consider Chambers a CB backup (verm replacement) who can also play DM
If we consider Debuchy to be Sagnas replacement - arguably slight downgrade
If we consider Welbeck the Giroud back-up many have been hoping for
If we consider Sanchez to be our marquee signing to improve the squad

Then surely, we have improved our squad and haven't done so terribly. We're net positive.

[RedMamba]

This transfer window was a complete, utter and monumental cockery of a disaster, reeks of ineptitude and mismanagement! wenger's honeymoon period needs to be over and he needs to start delivering on the pitch with the lopsided squad he has helped assemble!

[Hapless_Hans]

Louis van Gaal: "When a player of Falcao's calibre becomes available it's an opportunity not to be missed."


Wenger has failed yet another transfer window, this man has no shame. Doneky Gazidis and wenger said we have money to spend, yet Wenger still managed to *bleep* it up.

wenger will ever change his transfer policy and yet he collects his fat paycheck of £9,000,000.a year.

You know every single club in the world rejected Falcao because of his wages right?

380k p/w. That's THREE times more than what Ozil earns. Those wages are only worth for Messi or Ronaldo.

Exactly. Even goddamn Real Madrid didn't want him, as he'd probably mess up their wage structure
City too

Utd is the only club desperate and stupid enough to do something like that.

But yeah, Wenger should totally have gone for Falcao..
inexplicable that he didn't

Get a grip ffs.
Your team is stronger than last year.
Stop with the whining and self pity.

[Twoism]

It's not about Falcao, isnt it? Problem is more systematic than that. Welbeck will never come if not for Giroud injured. Transfer works in much simpler way than you think. Identify your weakness, fill it then improve what you already have. Striker problem has been going on for years, and I dont mean worldclass, i mean proper depth.

Look at Chelsea, Pool & City, they saw their problem, got to work and get all important deal upfront. Problem scoring goal? Costa check, Cesc check. Hole in the defense? Emre check, Lovren check. Average CB? Mangala check, Fernado check. Problem defend from the middle? Err Arteta check. Main striker overplayed prior xmas? Err last minute bench warmer purchase check. Is he prolific scorer? Nope. What is his best position? SS and on the wing.

The team is stronger than last year? Maybe but relatively to other teams that were in top 6? I'm not sure. If Everton can fork out the cash for Lukaku, i dont see what's problem with Arsenal.

Again it's not about individual names but transfer policy, building proper depth.

[MJ]

What's this obsession with shirt sales that everyone seems to think will cover every transfer we've ever made? lol.

Falcao would have to sell around 400,000 shirts to cover his loan/wage fee which is half of the shirts Arsenal sell per year anyway

[Hapless_Hans]

more like a few million shirts lol

[Jay29]

Our window basically seems only half planned. We identified replacements for Fabianski and Sagna and got them in. We saw an opportunity to sign Alexis and got him in. We followed through some long standing interest in Chambers and got him in. It was a great July.

Don't know what happened in August. Vermaelen left but wasn't replaced. Defensive midfielder needed but not signed. Don't think we sign Welbeck if Giroud doesn't get injured. It's not encouraging that the only way you sign a needed player is for one of your players in that position to pick up a long term injury. We should be much more proactive than that.

So it's a mixed window. Over £80mil was spent, which is a record outlay for Arsenal, and the extent to which we've improved the squad is debatable. Still, we have excellent midfield and forward depth now. Nobody is satisfied with Arteta and Flamini but they're fine against most teams in the league. They're not complete liabilities.

Centre back is where we'll be living dangerously. Okay, we've got three centre backs - one is 19, which worries me a bit - but cover after that is flimsy, to say the least. I think someone like Alderweireld would've bolstered this area of our squad nicely.

Anyway, time for the moaning and bitching to be over and for us to return to supporting the team until January, at least.

[RedMamba]

a 19 yo who has played 5 games at CB doesn't and shouldn't count as CB! pure and simple!

and its not about falcao either!

[djoe26]

Keep in mind that those are Falcao's wages AFTER TAX as well... if my knowledge of England's taxes are solid that's around 500k/week prior to taxes.

[Sri]

I went to bed early, got a good night's sleep, woke up to the Welbz news, focussed on work and finally got some time to put down my thoughts. I'll do it by quoting the 2 most relevant posts since I logged off last night.

If we consider Ospina a Fabianski upgrade
If we consider Chambers a CB backup (verm replacement) who can also play DM
If we consider Debuchy to be Sagnas replacement - arguably slight downgrade
If we consider Welbeck the Giroud back-up many have been hoping for
If we consider Sanchez to be our marquee signing to improve the squad

Then surely, we have improved our squad and haven't done so terribly. We're net positive.

Our window basically seems only half planned. We identified replacements for Fabianski and Sagna and got them in. We saw an opportunity to sign Alexis and got him in. We followed through some long standing interest in Chambers and got him in. It was a great July.

Don't know what happened in August. Vermaelen left but wasn't replaced. Defensive midfielder needed but not signed. Don't think we sign Welbeck if Giroud doesn't get injured. It's not encouraging that the only way you sign a needed player is for one of your players in that position to pick up a long term injury. We should be much more proactive than that.

So it's a mixed window. Over £80mil was spent, which is a record outlay for Arsenal, and the extent to which we've improved the squad is debatable. Still, we have excellent midfield and forward depth now. Nobody is satisfied with Arteta and Flamini but they're fine against most teams in the league. They're not complete liabilities.

Centre back is where we'll be living dangerously. Okay, we've got three centre backs - one is 19, which worries me a bit - but cover after that is flimsy, to say the least. I think someone like Alderweireld would've bolstered this area of our squad nicely.

Anyway, time for the moaning and bitching to be over and for us to return to supporting the team until January, at least.

The Good:

I believe Debuchy this year is better than Sagna (who is warming the bench on a fatter paycheck) this year - atleast offensively. Sagna was a rock defensively, no arguing there. But Chambers doesn't have a pinch of the experience Thomas Vermaelen had. Sanchez is for the role AW wanted Suarez to fill and directly addressing the lack of pace. Welbeck is 23, adds to our British core, has been through a managerial merry-go-round in the last couple of years and still has enough talent and potential for a very successful top flight career. He needed a change in environment and the tutelage of Arsene could give him a Sturridge-esque metamorphosis.

So yes, we have improved our squad compared to last season.

(We have also brought in medical staff to address injury frequency and intensity, but this is a long term project which will not yield results in the short term).


The Bad:

Our top 6 rivals also improved, just as we did. Also to be noted is that it is not just us and Liverpool who have had managerial stability this summer. On the contrary, only United in the top 6 have changed manager - Everton, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and City have had stability. I think each of those teams boasts of an improved squad now.

I have seen those inforgraphics of all the big name strikers that others have, while ours is an injured Giroud and 2 youngsters (I have faith and patience in both - Yaya and Danny - despite their recent performances), not counting our most clinical player who doesn't fit our system, another youngster who some are rating a bit too highly without having seen enough of at CF and a marquee player who is finding his feet in the PL. I am not completely worried, although it looks a grim picture. Except that one van Persie season, we have been a team which has spread goals around and not relied on individual players as goal threats. It's bad, but it is workable.


The Ugly

And the part which I am really dissatisfied about - the pointlessly wasted month of August. There was no transfer strategy in place. The two holes at the back haven't been addressed again. And I am not buying any of the Twitter BS about how many people we were linked with or bid for - this is again a transfer window with no tangible results to address defensive issues. You could argue that we had among the best defenses in the league except those 4-5 away games that we completely sucked in (Szcz Golden Glove, etc) but we have no clean sheets this season and that is just as good an indicator - I'm not even going to count the number of players at the back to make my case. We have beaten that horse to death.


My Rating: 6/10. What we did, we did well. What we should have done, we didn't do jackall about. It only shows complacence in the month of August after 4 early deals and the usual lack of ruthlessness in getting things done.


My request:

Do not misdirect your anger due to the poor transfer management at Danny Welbeck. He can be a very good player for us. He's an Arsenal player now and we should get behind him and catalyze the process of him stepping up for us and for the NT.

[Hapless_Hans]

Keep in mind that those are Falcao's wages AFTER TAX as well... if my knowledge of England's taxes are solid that's around 500k/week prior to taxes.

nah I think there's some misunderstandings there.

All we know is that both Monaco and Utd have confirmed Utd will cover all of Falcaos wages, and that those were 12m € net at Monaco.
that's  ~180k £ net/ week.
Now if you calculate that he has to pay taxes of 45% you'd arrive at a figure of ~340k£ per week, which incidentally was exactly what Utd mouthpiece Ogden was reporting earlier.

Now Ogden has changed the story and says its 268k, DailyMail says 280k, etc
Now either Utd negotiated Falcao into taking a hefty paycut, which I really don't believe as that would mean Ed Woody negotiating Jorge Mendes into letting his client take a paycut when joining the BIGGEST CLUB IN THE WORLD lol,

..or they are spinning the figures so that DiMaria and Falcao don't earn more than Rooney PUBLICLY lol.

Either way, it's much more than is reasonable and would be inconceivable for Arsenal.

Or are you talking about 500k € per week RedO?
Because, to avoid confusion it would be good I think if we used per year figures with Euro and per week figures with pounds, and kept that straight.

[Raptorgunner]

I dont know why you guys keep going on about Falcao, it has nothing to with him. Falcao is just one player out of many players who were available.

We needed 3 players and only manage to sign a striker, I think we got lucky signing Welbeck.

The more I think about the Welbeck signing the more I believe we came out a winner.

[RealGunner]

I went to bed early, got a good night's sleep, woke up to the Welbz news, focussed on work and finally got some time to put down my thoughts. I'll do it by quoting the 2 most relevant posts since I logged off last night.

If we consider Ospina a Fabianski upgrade
If we consider Chambers a CB backup (verm replacement) who can also play DM
If we consider Debuchy to be Sagnas replacement - arguably slight downgrade
If we consider Welbeck the Giroud back-up many have been hoping for
If we consider Sanchez to be our marquee signing to improve the squad

Then surely, we have improved our squad and haven't done so terribly. We're net positive.

Our window basically seems only half planned. We identified replacements for Fabianski and Sagna and got them in. We saw an opportunity to sign Alexis and got him in. We followed through some long standing interest in Chambers and got him in. It was a great July.

Don't know what happened in August. Vermaelen left but wasn't replaced. Defensive midfielder needed but not signed. Don't think we sign Welbeck if Giroud doesn't get injured. It's not encouraging that the only way you sign a needed player is for one of your players in that position to pick up a long term injury. We should be much more proactive than that.

So it's a mixed window. Over £80mil was spent, which is a record outlay for Arsenal, and the extent to which we've improved the squad is debatable. Still, we have excellent midfield and forward depth now. Nobody is satisfied with Arteta and Flamini but they're fine against most teams in the league. They're not complete liabilities.

Centre back is where we'll be living dangerously. Okay, we've got three centre backs - one is 19, which worries me a bit - but cover after that is flimsy, to say the least. I think someone like Alderweireld would've bolstered this area of our squad nicely.

Anyway, time for the moaning and bitching to be over and for us to return to supporting the team until January, at least.

The Good:

I believe Debuchy this year is better than Sagna (who is warming the bench on a fatter paycheck) this year - atleast offensively. Sagna was a rock defensively, no arguing there. But Chambers doesn't have a pinch of the experience Thomas Vermaelen had. Sanchez is for the role AW wanted Suarez to fill and directly addressing the lack of pace. Welbeck is 23, adds to our British core, has been through a managerial merry-go-round in the last couple of years and still has enough talent and potential for a very successful top flight career. He needed a change in environment and the tutelage of Arsene could give him a Sturridge-esque metamorphosis.

So yes, we have improved our squad compared to last season.

(We have also brought in medical staff to address injury frequency and intensity, but this is a long term project which will not yield results in the short term).


The Bad:

Our top 6 rivals also improved, just as we did. Also to be noted is that it is not just us and Liverpool who have had managerial stability this summer. On the contrary, only United in the top 6 have changed manager - Everton, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and City have had stability. I think each of those teams boasts of an improved squad now.

I have seen those inforgraphics of all the big name strikers that others have, while ours is an injured Giroud and 2 youngsters (I have faith and patience in both - Yaya and Danny - despite their recent performances), not counting our most clinical player who doesn't fit our system, another youngster who some are rating a bit too highly without having seen enough of at CF and a marquee player who is finding his feet in the PL. I am not completely worried, although it looks a grim picture. Except that one van Persie season, we have been a team which has spread goals around and not relied on individual players as goal threats. It's bad, but it is workable.


The Ugly

And the part which I am really dissatisfied about - the pointlessly wasted month of August. There was no transfer strategy in place. The two holes at the back haven't been addressed again. And I am not buying any of the Twitter BS about how many people we were linked with or bid for - this is again a transfer window with no tangible results to address defensive issues. You could argue that we had among the best defenses in the league except those 4-5 away games that we completely sucked in (Szcz Golden Glove, etc) but we have no clean sheets this season and that is just as good an indicator - I'm not even going to count the number of players at the back to make my case. We have beaten that horse to death.


My Rating: 6/10. What we did, we did well. What we should have done, we didn't do jackall about. It only shows complacence in the month of August after 4 early deals and the usual lack of ruthlessness in getting things done.


My request:

Do not misdirect your anger due to the poor transfer management at Danny Welbeck. He can be a very good player for us. He's an Arsenal player now and we should get behind him and catalyze the process of him stepping up for us and for the NT.

Great post. Agreed with everything.

[RealGunner]

I am just wondering who Arsenal planned IF Welbeck wasn't available

Huntelaar?

[VendettaRed07]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Sri]

I am just wondering who Arsenal planned IF Welbeck wasn't available

Huntelaar?

Simple. Nobody. That's my point.

[Sri]

Jonas agreed to terminate his contract with Valencia by mutual consent this summer due to the strict non-EU quotas in the Primera Liga. The Brazilian international might be the pick of the players still available for Premier League sides. Only 30 and with a good goalscoring record for Los Che, he could prove to be an astute signing for clubs lacking a bit of firepower. Capped 11 times by Brazil – all within the last three years – it won’t be long until Jonas finds a new club and there will be plenty of interest from the Premier League - maybe even the champions, Manchester City, who saw Alvaro Negredo join Valencia on deadline day without replacing him.

Would Suit: Arsenal, Manchester City.



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[Sri]

Just 29, Park spent three years at Arsenal following a move from Monaco in 2011 before being released in the summer, having barely kicked a ball for Arsene Wenger’s Gunners. Park has a very decent goal scoring record at international level for South Korea netting 24 times in 65 appearances for the Taeguek Warriors, and he was part of the side that won Olympic bronze in the Summer Games in London in 2012. A player with talent but one devoid of confidence after a soul-destroying time in north London, a patient manager may bring the best out of Park and with no transfer fee and relatively low wages, it could turn out to be an astute signing for someone.

Would Suit: QPR.



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[MJ]

I can now rest assured knowing Joseph Yobo and George McCartney are waiting in the wing should any misfortune befall our beloved Mertescielny.

[MJ]

Portuguese press: Arsenal offered Sporting £12.7m + Joel Campbell for William Carvalho but they wanted a straight cash offer of £23.9m. FFS.


If we really wanted him and didn't mind using Campbell as a negotiating chip then we could have raised at least £8m by selling him to Benfica.

[Jay29]

I've seen other reports saying Wenger refused to sell Campbell despite Benfica trying hard yo sign him. And there's nothing in the English press about Arsenal trying to sell Campbell or use him in a makeweight in another deal.

[VendettaRed07]

Yeah, Wenger had no intention of ever selling him. He stated he won't be going anywhere, he wants to keep him many times.

We should have just spent the money to get Carvalho regardless though. We shouldn't have to sell players like Joel to make deals like that happen.

Hopefully January

[RealGunner]

My guess is that Arsene was selling Podolski so Joel could get his time. However with Giroud's injury, Podolski was kept and Arsene perhaps thought Joel could do with a move as his time will be limited.

Both shows that Arsene rates Joel because Arsene won't keep a player who he thinks can have a great career elsewhere if its hindering his progress at Arsenal. He was also willing to give him a shot and selling Podolski while at it. But Giroud's injury spoiled the plans.

[El Gunner]

I went to bed early, got a good night's sleep, woke up to the Welbz news, focussed on work and finally got some time to put down my thoughts. I'll do it by quoting the 2 most relevant posts since I logged off last night.

If we consider Ospina a Fabianski upgrade
If we consider Chambers a CB backup (verm replacement) who can also play DM
If we consider Debuchy to be Sagnas replacement - arguably slight downgrade
If we consider Welbeck the Giroud back-up many have been hoping for
If we consider Sanchez to be our marquee signing to improve the squad

Then surely, we have improved our squad and haven't done so terribly. We're net positive.

Our window basically seems only half planned. We identified replacements for Fabianski and Sagna and got them in. We saw an opportunity to sign Alexis and got him in. We followed through some long standing interest in Chambers and got him in. It was a great July.

Don't know what happened in August. Vermaelen left but wasn't replaced. Defensive midfielder needed but not signed. Don't think we sign Welbeck if Giroud doesn't get injured. It's not encouraging that the only way you sign a needed player is for one of your players in that position to pick up a long term injury. We should be much more proactive than that.

So it's a mixed window. Over £80mil was spent, which is a record outlay for Arsenal, and the extent to which we've improved the squad is debatable. Still, we have excellent midfield and forward depth now. Nobody is satisfied with Arteta and Flamini but they're fine against most teams in the league. They're not complete liabilities.

Centre back is where we'll be living dangerously. Okay, we've got three centre backs - one is 19, which worries me a bit - but cover after that is flimsy, to say the least. I think someone like Alderweireld would've bolstered this area of our squad nicely.

Anyway, time for the moaning and bitching to be over and for us to return to supporting the team until January, at least.

The Good:

I believe Debuchy this year is better than Sagna (who is warming the bench on a fatter paycheck) this year - atleast offensively. Sagna was a rock defensively, no arguing there. But Chambers doesn't have a pinch of the experience Thomas Vermaelen had. Sanchez is for the role AW wanted Suarez to fill and directly addressing the lack of pace. Welbeck is 23, adds to our British core, has been through a managerial merry-go-round in the last couple of years and still has enough talent and potential for a very successful top flight career. He needed a change in environment and the tutelage of Arsene could give him a Sturridge-esque metamorphosis.

So yes, we have improved our squad compared to last season.

(We have also brought in medical staff to address injury frequency and intensity, but this is a long term project which will not yield results in the short term).


The Bad:

Our top 6 rivals also improved, just as we did. Also to be noted is that it is not just us and Liverpool who have had managerial stability this summer. On the contrary, only United in the top 6 have changed manager - Everton, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and City have had stability. I think each of those teams boasts of an improved squad now.

I have seen those inforgraphics of all the big name strikers that others have, while ours is an injured Giroud and 2 youngsters (I have faith and patience in both - Yaya and Danny - despite their recent performances), not counting our most clinical player who doesn't fit our system, another youngster who some are rating a bit too highly without having seen enough of at CF and a marquee player who is finding his feet in the PL. I am not completely worried, although it looks a grim picture. Except that one van Persie season, we have been a team which has spread goals around and not relied on individual players as goal threats. It's bad, but it is workable.


The Ugly

And the part which I am really dissatisfied about - the pointlessly wasted month of August. There was no transfer strategy in place. The two holes at the back haven't been addressed again. And I am not buying any of the Twitter BS about how many people we were linked with or bid for - this is again a transfer window with no tangible results to address defensive issues. You could argue that we had among the best defenses in the league except those 4-5 away games that we completely sucked in (Szcz Golden Glove, etc) but we have no clean sheets this season and that is just as good an indicator - I'm not even going to count the number of players at the back to make my case. We have beaten that horse to death.


My Rating: 6/10. What we did, we did well. What we should have done, we didn't do jackall about. It only shows complacence in the month of August after 4 early deals and the usual lack of ruthlessness in getting things done.


My request:

Do not misdirect your anger due to the poor transfer management at Danny Welbeck. He can be a very good player for us. He's an Arsenal player now and we should get behind him and catalyze the process of him stepping up for us and for the NT.

FFS

[Sri]

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