Re: The Official Balon d'Or 2014 Thread

[Harmonica]

Just counted Ronaldo's assist from Transfermarkt

I don't know how you count your assist Harmonica, but Ronaldo has more than 17 assists when you use Transfermarkt. So if you use wide assist, atleast be consistent.

Ronaldo has 54 goals 22 assists = 76 (56 and 23 if counting friendlies from NT).

Did you remove the assists to own penalty goal anomaly?

[Freeza]

Just counted Ronaldo's assist from Transfermarkt

I don't know how you count your assist Harmonica, but Ronaldo has more than 17 assists when you use Transfermarkt. So if you use wide assist, atleast be consistent.

Ronaldo has 54 goals 22 assists = 76  (56 and 23 if counting friendlies from NT).

Did you remove the assists to own penalty goal anomaly?

Nope, but shouldn't matter with that bs stat anyway.
You can't really use the only place they use that stat, and then be selective about it, no matter how it may be weird to assist your own goal.

[Harmonica]

Just counted Ronaldo's assist from Transfermarkt

I don't know how you count your assist Harmonica, but Ronaldo has more than 17 assists when you use Transfermarkt. So if you use wide assist, atleast be consistent.

Ronaldo has 54 goals 22 assists = 76  (56 and 23 if counting friendlies from NT).

Did you remove the assists to own penalty goal anomaly?

Nope, but shouldn't matter with that bs stat anyway.

Lmao, so you counted them to show how Cronaldo were better, but when we realized your miscalculation, which change ranking, they are bs?

These are the Cronaldo sweat hoarders of today.

[Freeza]

Did you remove the assists to own penalty goal anomaly?

Nope, but shouldn't matter with that bs stat anyway.

Lmao, so you counted them to show how Cronaldo were better, but when we realized your miscalculation, which change ranking, they are bs?

These are the Cronaldo sweat hoarders of today.

Yeah, only care about stats. That can be shown by my choices of favourite players: Varane, Isco and Bendtner. Statwhores all of them.

Don't understand how that's different than you picking Transfer markt, and twisting their stat only because it's the only way Messi is above Ronaldo.

[Harmonica]

Nope, but shouldn't matter with that bs stat anyway.

Lmao, so you counted them to show how Cronaldo were better, but when we realized your miscalculation, which change ranking, they are bs?

These are the Cronaldo sweat hoarders of today.

Yeah, only care about stats. That can be shown by my choices of favourite players: Varane, Isco and Bendtner. Statwhores all of them.

Don't understand how that's different than you picking Transfer markt, and twisting their stat only because it's the only way Messi is above Ronaldo.

Then leave statistics to me, and stick with the illusions.

You understand that wider rule assists portray better overall participation on goals?

[Pip]

These are Ronaldo's assists so far this year, using the 'wide assist' definition.

Real Madrid
1) Benzema 1-0 vs Schalke 04
2) Benzema 4-0 vs Schalke 04
3) Marcelo 3-1 vs Atlético de Madrid
4) Morata 5-0 vs Real Betis
5) Jesé 1-1 vs Athletic Club
6) Marcelo 2-0 vs Levante
7) Carvajal 2-0 vs Rayo Vallecano
8) Ramos 1-1 vs Valencia
9) Jesé 2-0 vs Osasuna
10) Benzema 5-1 vs FC Basel
11) Benzema 4-0 vs Athletic Club
12) Benzema 3-0 vs Granada
13) James 4-0 vs Granada
14) Kroos 3-1 vs Rayo Vallecano
15) Benzema 4-1 vs Rayo Vallecano
16) James 1-0 vs Eibar

Portugal
17) Edinho 4-1 vs Cameroon
18) Varela 2-2 vs USA

Which assist did you not count, Harmonica?

[Harmonica]

These are Ronaldo's assists so far this year, using the 'wide assist' definition.

Real Madrid
1) Benzema 1-0 vs Schalke 04
2) Benzema 4-0 vs Schalke 04
3) Marcelo 3-1 vs Atlético de Madrid
4) Morata 5-0 vs Real Betis
5) Jesé 1-1 vs Athletic Club
6) Marcelo 2-0 vs Levante
7) Carvajal 2-0 vs Rayo Vallecano
Ramos 1-1 vs Valencia
9) Jesé 2-0 vs Osasuna
10) Benzema 5-1 vs FC Basel
11) Benzema 4-0 vs Athletic Club
12) Benzema 3-0 vs Granada
13) James 4-0 vs Granada
14) Kroos 3-1 vs Rayo Vallecano
15) Benzema 4-1 vs Rayo Vallecano
16) James 1-0 vs Eibar

Portugal
17) Edinho 4-1 vs Cameroon
18) Varela 2-2 vs USA

Which assist did you not count, Harmonica?

I missed that Bilbao one, thanks for the correction. So as it is:

2014 (23.11) in official games

Messi 49 (7pen) goals, 25 assists = directly part of 74 goals
Cronaldo 54 (11pen) goals, 18 assists = directly part of 72 goals

Benzema 32 (1pen) goals, 21 assists = directly part of 53 goals

Müller 29 (6pen) goals, 14 assists = directly part of 43 goals
Neymar 32 (0pen) goals, 10 assists = directly part of 42 goals
Bale 22 (0pen) goals, 19 assists = directly part of 41 goals

Zlatan 28 (4pen) goals, 11 assists = directly part of 39 goals
James 21 (3pen) goals, 18 assists = directly part of 39 goals
Di Maria 10 (0pen) goals, 28 assists = directly part of 38 goals
Götze 24 (0pen) goals, 13 assists = directly part of 37 goals
Robben 21 (3pen) goals, 16 assists = directly part of 37 goals
Suarez 17 (0pen) goals, 19 assists = directly part of 36 goals (not shortlisted)

Costa 26 (2pen) goals, 3 assists = directly part of 29 goals
Toure 17 (5pen) goals, 9 assists = directly part of 26 goals
Hazard 14 (7pen) goals, 10 assists = directly part of 24 goals
Pobga 11 (0pen) goals, 12 assists = directly part of 23 goals

Kroos 8 (0pen) goals, 11 assists = directly part of 19 goals
Iniesta 3 (0pen) goals, 11 assists = directly part of 14 goals
Schweinsteiger 6 (0pen) goals, 5 assists = directly part of 11 goals

Defenders

Lahm
Mascherano
Ramos

Goalies

Neuer

[Harmonica]

Rakitic: "Ronaldo won Ballon d'Or after hat-trick in play-off, Messi's hat-trick could decide now? Many can win, but Messi is unique."

Too bad voting was extended last year for that game, and wasn't extended this year for this game.

[Freeza]

Rakitic: "Ronaldo won Ballon d'Or after hat-trick in play-off, Messi's hat-trick could decide now? Many can win, but Messi is unique."

Too bad voting was extended last year for that game, and wasn't extended this year for this game.

Ronaldo and Messi were both directly involved in 3 goals? They played equally well. Anyone who is rational could see that.

[Harmonica]

Rakitic: "Ronaldo won Ballon d'Or after hat-trick in play-off, Messi's hat-trick could decide now? Many can win, but Messi is unique."

Too bad voting was extended last year for that game, and wasn't extended this year for this game.

Ronaldo and Messi were both directly involved in 3 goals? They played equally well. Anyone who is rational could see that.

So Messi should win it this year?

[Freeza]

Rakitic: "Ronaldo won Ballon d'Or after hat-trick in play-off, Messi's hat-trick could decide now? Many can win, but Messi is unique."

Too bad voting was extended last year for that game, and wasn't extended this year for this game.

Ronaldo and Messi were both directly involved in 3 goals? They played equally well. Anyone who is rational could see that.

So Messi should win it this year?

No, Ronaldo and Messi were both involved in 3 goals this week alone. So I don't see how that this week would warrant Messi winning over Ronaldo.

[Harmonica]

Ronaldo and Messi were both directly involved in 3 goals? They played equally well. Anyone who is rational could see that.

So Messi should win it this year?

No, Ronaldo and Messi were both involved in 3 goals this week alone. So I don't see how that this week would warrant Messi winning over Ronaldo.

I'm sorry how does that relate of scoring a hat-trick which Rakitic was talking about?

[zigra]

I actually thought we all agreed that Ronaldo isn't even top10 yet you guys are still discussing as if he was in the race for BdO. What is wrong with you?

[BarrileteCosmico]

The Bayern winger believes the individual award is no longer decided on achievements and expects Manuel Neuer and Arjen Robben to miss out for that reason

Bayern Munich attacker Franck Ribery feels the Fifa Ballon d'Or is no longer going to the best player in the world and is decided by politics, rather than performances.

The Frenchman was beaten to the prestigious individual award by Cristiano Ronaldo for his 2013 efforts despite guiding Bayern to a historic treble.

Ribery, who is not even in the 23-man shortlist that will be whittled down the three stars shortly this time around, believes the trophy has lost all meaning after witnessing first hand how the Real Madrid star was treated last year.

"I learned a lot during last year's Ballon d'Or gala. As soon as I got there, I told my wife that I would lose," Ribery told Sport Bild.

"I saw how Sepp Blatter was hugging Ronaldo and how his entire family was there. I'm not stupid. It was clear that he had to win it. He wouldn't have brought his entire family with him otherwise.

"It will be the same this year. What can I say about it? Manuel Neuer or Arjen Robben should win it. You can't disagree with this. Manu has won it all, he is a great guy and he isn't arrogant. Arjen has played an incredible season in the Bundesliga and then a fantastic World Cup.

"But I fear it will be about politics again. The Ballon d'Or is no longer for the best player. It's all about politics. Fabio Cannavaro won it in 2006 because he won the World Cup, that's all.

"I don't miss the Ballon d'Or. I am not jealous because this award doesn't mean anything to me any more. I am happy with what I have in Munich.

"When 70,000 fans are screaming my name at the Allianz Arena, I get goosebumps. I can go home happy after that."

An injury-plagued 2014 played a role in Ribery's absence from this year's award, in which Germany and Bayern goalkeeper Neuer, four-time winner Lionel Messi and current holder Ronaldo are favourites.

Still butthurt

[Cruijf]

He has a point tbh... I don't understand why he's been bitter for so long but it is true that he probably would have won if not for the whole politics surrounding Ronaldo. Would have been interesting to see the votes before and after the extension, I wouldn't be surprised if Ribery was set to win it before

[farfan]

he has no point .

ronaldo winning it this year will be one of the most predictable and non-controversial in the awards history .

lol at people whining about politics .

lol at people who believe neuer should win .

1- play for a team that dominates possession 80 % to 20.
2 - get trashed 5-0 in the CL semis .
3 - make few sweeps against algeria
4 - ???
5 - ballon d'or !!!

[Cruijf]

he has no point .

ronaldo winning it this year will be one of the most predictable and non-controversial in the awards history .

lol at people whining about politics .

lol at people who believe neuer should win .

1- play for a team that dominates possession 80 % to 20.
2 - get trashed 5-0 in the CL semis .
3 - make few sweeps against algeria
4 - ???
5 - ballon d'or !!!

As much as I hate to stop you in your crusade on Ronaldo's behalf, I was talking about last year...

As for this year, Neuer deserves the Balon D'or every bit Ronaldo does. Best goalkeeper in the world by a long shot, best player in the World Cup... What does he need to do?

[farfan]

he has no point .

ronaldo winning it this year will be one of the most predictable and non-controversial in the awards history .

lol at people whining about politics .

lol at people who believe neuer should win .

1- play for a team that dominates possession 80 % to 20.
2 - get trashed 5-0 in the CL semis .
3 - make few sweeps against algeria
4 - ???
5 - ballon d'or !!!

As much as I hate to stop you in your crusade on Ronaldo's behalf, I was talking about last year...

As for this year, Neuer deserves the Balon D'or every bit Ronaldo does. Best goalkeeper in the world by a long shot, best player in the World Cup... What does he need to do?

i wasn't responding to you per se .
best goalkeeper in the world by a long shot ? i'm pretty sure courtois had a bigger contribution in his team reaching the CL final and winning the league than neuer's contributions with bayern and germany .

best player in the world cup ? please ... he was germany's best player IN ONE GAME .

he had *bleep* to do against france , brazil , and argentina .

[Pip]

Neuer had nothing to do against France, Brazil and Argentina

[farfan]

Neuer had nothing to do against France, Brazil and Argentina

against france = a single noteworthy save
against brazil = made some decent saves ..... when the score was 5-0

against argentina =  messi , palacio , and higuain missing the target had very little to do with neuer's brilliance  .

so yeah , he had *bleep* to do .

[Harmonica]

2014 (26.11) in official games

Messi 52 (7pen) goals, 25 assists = directly part of 77 goals
Cronaldo 55 (11pen) goals, 18 assists = directly part of 73 goals

Benzema 32 (1pen) goals, 22 assists = directly part of 54 goals

Müller 29 (6pen) goals, 14 assists = directly part of 43 goals
Neymar 32 (0pen) goals, 10 assists = directly part of 42 goals
Bale 22 (0pen) goals, 19 assists = directly part of 41 goals
Zlatan 29 (4pen) goals, 11 assists = directly part of 40 goals

James 21 (3pen) goals, 18 assists = directly part of 39 goals
Di Maria 10 (0pen) goals, 28 assists = directly part of 38 goals
Götze 24 (0pen) goals, 13 assists = directly part of 37 goals
Suarez 18 (0pen) goals, 19 assists = directly part of 37 goals (not shortlisted)
Robben 21 (3pen) goals, 16 assists = directly part of 37 goals


Costa 26 (2pen) goals, 3 assists = directly part of 29 goals
Toure 17 (5pen) goals, 9 assists = directly part of 26 goals
Hazard 14 (7pen) goals, 11 assists = directly part of 25 goals
Pobga 11 (0pen) goals, 13 assists = directly part of 24 goals

Kroos 8 (0pen) goals, 11 assists = directly part of 19 goals
Iniesta 3 (0pen) goals, 11 assists = directly part of 14 goals
Schweinsteiger 6 (0pen) goals, 5 assists = directly part of 11 goals

Defenders

Lahm
Mascherano
Ramos

Goalies

Neuer

Messi has now scored more non-penalty goals than Penaldo.

[neuro11]

He has a point tbh... I don't understand why he's been bitter for so long but it is true that he probably would have won if not for the whole politics surrounding Ronaldo. Would have been interesting to see the votes before and after the extension, I wouldn't be surprised if Ribery was set to win it before

They paid enough to hide it for next 20 years or so....you can expect to come it out after the baby retires from crying...

[rwo power]

against  france = a single noteworthy save

Which was crucial given the result.

against brazil = made some decent saves ..... when the score was 5-0

Nonetheless the shots were good and the saves were better.

against argentina =  messi , palacio , and higuain missing the target had very little to do with neuer's brilliance  .

Ever heard of the importance of the psychological factor? With some keepers in goal, the strikers automatically become afraid and shoot worse. But one has to work for that fear factor by immaculate performances otherwise.

so yeah , he had *bleep* to do .

Well, holding up the consentration for 90 minutes is no mean feat either. Ask any goalie ^^

[izzy]

Which was crucial given the result.

Nonetheless the shots were good and the saves were better.


Ever heard of the importance of the psychological factor? With some keepers in goal, the strikers automatically become afraid and shoot worse. But one has to work for that fear factor by immaculate performances otherwise.

Well, holding up the consentration for 90 minutes is no mean feat either. Ask any goalie ^^

You're trolling right?

[rwo power]

I never troll where Manuel Neuer is concerned. It's all evident to see for those with eyes and a brain to compute the visual input correctly.

[izzy]

I never troll where Manuel Neuer is concerned. It's all evident to see for those with eyes and a brain to compute the visual input correctly.

Oh, you are trolling.

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