UEFA Coefficient development for the next seasons

Real Madrid 1 point
Atletico Madrid 2 points
Sevilla 0 points
Barcelona 2 points
Bilbao 2 points
Villarreal 2 points

Total 9 points. Average 1.5 points

such a lust for coefficient points.

RealGunner wrote:such a lust for coefficient points.

I never cared much, but I've got to admitt that it is getting very interesting. Imagine "the richest league in the world, the best league in history, the creators of football", losing their 4th Champions League spot to Serie ZZzzZzzz. The shitfest.

lmao I hope we lose it. Want to see what reaction it will bring out within EPL.

Not like 4th spot teams have done anything meaningful in the CL anyways. Might as well let Serie A have it and see what they do with it.

Free to be fair you never cared because Spain has a 20 point gap over the 2nd place and Barça doesn't have a very realistic chance of ever finishing below 3rd. I'm sure Valencia and Atleti fans care.

As if Italy are bypassing us anytime soon with their one or two teams doing decent and the rest doing worst than our contingent lol.

All 4 English teams will probably qualify for the KOs compared to Italy's 1 stop the delusion.

Disclaimer: I want us to lose the 4th spot for all the reasons which have already been said and the fact i couldn't give two shits about the league on a personal level.

But let's be realistic it's not happening anytime soon.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:As if Italy are bypassing us anytime soon with their one or two teams doing decent and the rest doing worst than our contingent lol.

All 4 English teams will probably qualify for the KOs compared to Italy's 1 stop the delusion.

Disclaimer: I want us to lose the 4th spot for all the reasons which have already been said and the fact i couldn't give two shits about the league on a personal level.

But let's be realistic it's not happening anytime soon.

As long as Barca beats Leverkusen, Roma still have a good chance of advancing. If they win against Leverkusen and BATE (both home) they advance.

Also, it seems that there is a legitimate chance that no English team will top the group, they could get tough draws while Juve gets Celtic or some shit (ultimately at the hand of the draw)

And lets not forget the EL teams, all in all, it isn't entirely farfetched to say Italy won't bypass Enghiltra imo

ES wrote:

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:As if Italy are bypassing us anytime soon with their one or two teams doing decent and the rest doing worst than our contingent lol.

All 4 English teams will probably qualify for the KOs compared to Italy's 1 stop the delusion.

Disclaimer: I want us to lose the 4th spot for all the reasons which have already been said and the fact i couldn't give two shits about the league on a personal level.

But let's be realistic it's not happening anytime soon.

As long as Barca beats Leverkusen, Roma still have a good chance of advancing. If they win against Leverkusen and BATE (both home) they advance.

Also, it seems that there is a legitimate chance that no English team will top the group, they could get tough draws while Juve gets Celtic or some shit (ultimately at the hand of the draw)

And lets not forget the EL teams, all in all, it isn't entirely farfetched to say Italy won't bypass Enghiltra imo

There seems to be a lingering confusion as to how this works, with this talk about bypassing England.
Italy does not need to 'bypass' England in current points, they just need to hold their own.
If they hold their own, or don't get beaten by much, they England will be bypassed all by itself.

As things stand right now, Italy will be above England start next season, as the 4 points England have on Italy from 11/12 expire.
So unless England pulls ahead another 0.5 point this season, they are already overtaken.

The same goes for the coming seasons. When 12/13, 13/14 expire, England will lose 2 respectively 2.5 points on Italy per year.
That means they can only avoid being behind Italy if they gain that much more points than Italy per year.
Or in other words, they will have to MAKE UP for the 14/15 season, where Italy got 5.5 points on them, at some point as their previous advantages expire.

How Mole can claim that to be 'not realistic anytime soon' is a strange one.
Either you don't get how it works, or you're that confident to call it unrealistic England will not get that more points than Italy this and next 2 seasons ?

When i say anytime soon i mean they won't be above by next season.

It's just not happening, we can revisit this then if you like lol.

Sure we will. Obviously, it depends on the performances this and next season.

I'd just want to point out that while you claim Italian teams are doing 'worse' than Englands contingent, the points acquired from actual games this season so far do not back that claim.
England had an 8 point (8/8=1 coeff point) bonus advantage over Italy merely by having 4 teams in CL. This point has shrunk to a quarter point by now after the games that have been played.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:As if Italy are bypassing us anytime soon with their one or two teams doing decent and the rest doing worst than our contingent lol.

All 4 English teams will probably qualify for the KOs compared to Italy's 1 stop the delusion.

Disclaimer: I want us to lose the 4th spot for all the reasons which have already been said and the fact i couldn't give two shits about the league on a personal level.

But let's be realistic it's not happening anytime soon.

A case of cognitive dissonance combined with a lack of familiarity with the formula.

Serie A will surpass the EPL at the end of this year if both leagues score equal points. In fact, Serie A will surpass the EPL if their deficit is less than 3.679 points.

Btw I'm not sure all English teams will make it past the group stages of CL.

EL too.

If Olympiacos beat Zagreb, we are pretty much down to EL.

breva wrote:
Serie A will surpass the EPL at the end of this year if both leagues score equal points. In fact, Serie A will surpass the EPL if their deficit is less than 3.679 points.

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RealGunner wrote:If Olympiacos beat Zagreb, we are pretty much down to EL.

Why?
After you've beaten us and Zagreb, all you'll need is a point in Piraios

Hapless_Hans wrote:

RealGunner wrote:If Olympiacos beat Zagreb, we are pretty much down to EL.

Why?
After you've beaten us and Zagreb, all you'll need is a point in Piraios

After beating you we have 3 points.

Winning against Zagreb and Olympiacos will get us 9 points in total but Olympiacos will also get 9 if they win against Zagreb.

I mean beating us in 12 days, obviously.

Ah, forgot that. Yea should be a straight forward 3-0

Be it as it may, you could probably get more points for England in EL anyway.

Actually I think that was Wenger's plan all along with the 2 defeats. Go to EL, collect vital points for England, save the 4th spot trophy, even at the expense of thankless and unknowing Arsenal fans calling for his head.

Why would Wenger care about the 4th place trophy when they are winning the league

He is by all accounts a generous human being

Hapless_Hans wrote:

breva wrote:
Serie A will surpass the EPL at the end of this year if both leagues score equal points. In fact, Serie A will surpass the EPL if their deficit is less than 3.679 points.

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When 2011-2012 is thrown out, Italy gains (or the EPL loses) 3.679 points relative to the EPL.

breva wrote:

Hapless_Hans wrote:

breva wrote:
Serie A will surpass the EPL at the end of this year if both leagues score equal points. In fact, Serie A will surpass the EPL if their deficit is less than 3.679 points.

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When 2011-2012 is thrown out, Italy gains (or the EPL loses) 3.679 points relative to the EPL.

Yes. Your sentence still doesn't make sense. Please explain what you mean with "if their deficit is less than 3.67"

Hapless_Hans wrote:

breva wrote:

Hapless_Hans wrote:
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When 2011-2012 is thrown out, Italy gains (or the EPL loses) 3.679 points relative to the EPL.

Yes. Your sentence still doesn't make sense. Please explain what you mean with "if their deficit is less than 3.67"

If the Serie A's deficit in points this year is less than 3.67, e.g. 3, Serie A will still overtake the EPL.