Ancelotti's next gig

lol didn't notice garcia ramon had a saddam look about it....and those are only the guys under florentino's reign. we still have lopez caro, fabio capello, bernd schuster and juande ramos on our body count between 06-2009 smh

All kidding aside, it is kind of a joke that Carlo got fired 1 year after winning CDR/CL... he deserved another shot and, frankly, it's not like there was a god manager the needed to be had which forced Madrid's hand.

But oh well.

El Shaarawy wrote:I'm gonna try and answer these 2 parts separately

MR BOND wrote: who has done more.  

No one

MR BOND wrote:  and can do better than carlo.

Anyone

Football is a very subjective sport, whilst i don't like the fact that Madrid dropped Carlo.   You shouldn't look at "Who could do better?" lenses. Relative to the squad at hand, relative to the tactics employed, relative to the motivation evoked, relative to players' abilities and decisions. Its all variables, the common misconception is that fans see things as 'upgrade' and 'downgrade' rather than 'How is it permutable?' or 'how is it executable'. Benitez has his own tactics, his own mindset, his own ideas. All these can give Madrid a different edge.

but is that not just saying change for change sake. for a start rafa will not go down well because his game is based on a strong defence.

mr bond raises some good points, at some stage we have to ask ourselves (if we hadn't asked already) which coach is left. soon, florentino might have to coach us himself if we do not thread carefully

bond seriously stop sounding like a noob, did you start watching footy yesterday, did you know that pep was good enough for barca due to his resume before?

tito stop acting like a noob because you like carlo, this madrid ffs why are you acting like this is something new? smh

sportsczy wrote:All kidding aside, it is kind of a joke that Carlo got fired 1 year after winning CDR/CL...  he deserved another shot and, frankly, it's not like there was a god manager the needed to be had which forced Madrid's hand.

But oh well.  

thank you. the most sense ive seen from a Madrid fan since. well forever.

Considering Perez is meant to be a daring and controversial president who's signed Figo in the past and always looks for fantasy signings, nabbing Pep is within the realms of possibility imo.

chad4401 wrote:bond seriously stop sounding like a noob, did you start watching footy yesterday, did you know that pep was good enough for barca due to his resume before?

tito stop acting like a noob because you like carlo, this madrid ffs why are you acting like this is something new? smh

nope. but what are the chances of Madrid giving the job to a unknown manager. none id say.

sportsczy wrote:All kidding aside, it is kind of a joke that Carlo got fired 1 year after winning CDR/CL...  he deserved another shot and, frankly, it's not like there was a god manager the needed to be had which forced Madrid's hand.

But oh well.  

sorry but no carlo would've done the same next season as well, when faced with the tough decisions carlo rather we lose, than make the necessary adjustment that why he got fired and i see nothing wrong with that, ramos, iker and bale been rubbish majority of the season and we lost everything thanks to them and carlo

florentino should just let the manager coach, stop signing guys based on aura surrounding them and let the manager sign the guys he needs....and stop selling useful players. although i'm a bit nervous about allowing benitez sign guys, at one stage the guy was notorious for signing a bunch of weird players at pool to his credit he got alonso, torres, masch et al. but for every alonso there were two voronins, a babel (who was crap imo), an aquilani, an antonio nunez etc

bond the point about pep is simple, footy is not that straight forward, it doesn't matter what your resume is, sometimes things click and you win it all or you flop that it

chad4401 wrote:bond the point about pep is simple, footy is not that straight forward, it doesn't matter what your resume is, sometimes things click and you win it all or you flop that it

I wouldent say carlo and mourinho are flops.

i'm being realistic, a noob is someone who just goes "hire this, fire that" without thinking or analyzing the situation. if rafa starts off slow, i bet you will be quick to post "fire him" too. and you mention guardiola, like every youth coach or janitor out there can just step into the shoes and do the job.

its all fine and dandy to fire, but when you have a squad that has publicly backed the coach you need to take that into account. will it pit the squad against the president? how will they fare with a new manager taking over someone they loved, especially when that new manager can be controversial....you need to think things through, the mentality of some here is like that cop who shot the unarmed man numerous times in the back, a harsh comparison but i see similarities "shoot first, ask questions last"

titosantill wrote:florentino should just let the manager coach, stop signing guys based on aura surrounding them and let the manager sign the guys he needs....and stop selling useful players. although i'm a bit nervous about allowing benitez sign guys, at one stage the guy was notorious for signing a bunch of weird players at pool to his credit he got alonso, torres, masch et al. but for every alonso there were two voronins, a babel (who was crap imo), an aquilani, an antonio nunez etc

tbf. at Liverpool rafa ws not given the money to buy the players he wanted. we missed out on top class players that rafa had lined up. the owners wouldent pay the money for them. when rafa left Liverpool he had a net spend of 80mil. he won the champs lge. the fa cup. and another few none major cups. but we had masharano. Alonso. and torres. and we sold them for far more than the 80 mil net he spent.

titosantill wrote:i'm being realistic, a noob is someone who just goes "hire this, fire that" without thinking or analyzing the situation. if rafa starts off slow, i bet you will be quick to post "fire him" too. and you mention guardiola, like every youth coach or janitor out there can just step into the shoes and do the job.

its all fine and dandy to fire, but when you have a squad that has publicly backed the coach you need to take that into account. will it pit the squad against the president? how will they fare with a new manager taking over someone they loved, especially when that new manager can be controversial....you need to think things through, the mentality of some here is like that cop who shot the unarmed man numerous times in the back, a harsh comparison but i see similarities "shoot first, ask questions last"

spot on buddy. spot on.

titosantill wrote:i'm being realistic, a noob is someone who just goes "hire this, fire that" without thinking or analyzing the situation. if rafa starts off slow, i bet you will be quick to post "fire him" too. and you mention guardiola, like every youth coach or janitor out there can just step into the shoes and do the job.

its all fine and dandy to fire, but when you have a squad that has publicly backed the coach you need to take that into account. will it pit the squad against the president? how will they fare with a new manager taking over someone they loved, especially when that new manager can be controversial....you need to think things through, the mentality of some here is like that cop who shot the unarmed man numerous times in the back, a harsh comparison but i see similarities  "shoot first, ask questions last"

who care if the players backed him? carlo is the one who got himself fired, im no longer buying that had to play bale crap, cause he got fired anyway

all his tactics and changes seem more like flukes more than anything,being a nice guys doesn't change the fact he failed at the most important part of being a manager which is to make the proper adjustment

what the point of a 23 man squad if 13-14 players play a whole season? look at the facts and stop with the nonsense, the same thing was gonna happen next season

chad4401 wrote:

titosantill wrote:i'm being realistic, a noob is someone who just goes "hire this, fire that" without thinking or analyzing the situation. if rafa starts off slow, i bet you will be quick to post "fire him" too. and you mention guardiola, like every youth coach or janitor out there can just step into the shoes and do the job.

its all fine and dandy to fire, but when you have a squad that has publicly backed the coach you need to take that into account. will it pit the squad against the president? how will they fare with a new manager taking over someone they loved, especially when that new manager can be controversial....you need to think things through, the mentality of some here is like that cop who shot the unarmed man numerous times in the back, a harsh comparison but i see similarities  "shoot first, ask questions last"

who care if the players backed him? carlo is the one who got himself fired, im no longer buying that had to play bale crap, cause he got fired anyway

all his tactics and changes seem more like flukes more than anything,being a nice guys doesn't change the fact he failed at the most important part of being a manager which is to make the proper adjustment

what the point of a 23 man squad if 13-14 players play a whole season? look at the facts and stop with the nonsense, the same thing was gonna happen next season

jesus wept. take the day off mate. if ever there was a fan that jumped on a the band wagon and knows nothing about football its you.

bond you don't follow the club, its easier to ask me to explain, than trying to be a know it who is upset that bale is a scrub

Jesus has been weeping all day it seems.

Pretty sure Mr Bond is making him cry.

Or maybe it's because we can't turn the other cheek to his trolling

chad4401 wrote:bond you don't follow the club, its easier to ask me to explain, than trying to be a know it who is upset that bale is a scrub

carlo is one of the best managers in the history of the game. and your saying he flukes his tactics.

Freeza wrote:Jesus has been weeping all day it seems.

Pretty sure Mr Bond is making him cry.

Or maybe it's because we can't turn the other cheek to his trolling

trolling. tell me one person on here that's not a Madrid fan that thinks getting rid of carlo was the right move.

MR BOND wrote:

chad4401 wrote:bond you don't follow the club, its easier to ask me to explain, than trying to be a know it who is upset that bale is a scrub

carlo is one of the best managers in the history of the game. and your saying he flukes his tactics.

seems you need to be schooled, if you had follow the club you would know that when carlo started, he would try random formations until something clicked ,once it clicked he would ride it until some went wrong that forced his hand

example di maria who couldn't buy a game once bale was fit and would've never played in midfield if khedira didn't get hurt, he tried di maria only due to injury, same reason why the team got to play 442 was because bale got injured, if bale didn't get hurt im pretty carlo would never played that formation, modric went down who carlo picked has a replacement isco who sucked and ramos who sucked even worse, you know who he never picked? the only other decent cm in the team in illarra, you know why cause he is a yes man, if players don't get injured he doesn't make adjustment that why di maria in midfield is a fluke than carlo being a genius

chad4401 wrote:

MR BOND wrote:

chad4401 wrote:bond you don't follow the club, its easier to ask me to explain, than trying to be a know it who is upset that bale is a scrub

carlo is one of the best managers in the history of the game. and your saying he flukes his tactics.

seems you need to be schooled, if you had follow the club you would know that when carlo started, he would try random formations until something clicked ,once it clicked he would ride it until some went wrong that forced his hand

example di maria who couldn't buy a game once bale was fit and would've never played in midfield if khedira didn't get hurt, he tried di maria only due to injury, same reason why the team got to play 442 was because bale got injured, if bale didn't get hurt im pretty carlo would never played that formation, modric went down who carlo picked has a replacement isco who sucked and ramos who sucked even worse, you know who he never picked? the only other decent cm in the team in illarra, you know why cause he is a yes man, if players don't get injured he doesn't make adjustment that why di maria in midfield is a fluke than carlo being a genius

so bale sucks. ramos sucks. isco sucks. and carlo sucks. do you not know that every manager of Madrid is a yes man. tbh. its the Madrid fans that suck.

bond im done you clearly don't understand footy stick to the prem

chad4401 wrote:bond im done you clearly don't understand footy stick to the prem

it is you that don't understand football. you have a president that buys and sells players. he tells the manager what players to pick. you think as a Madrid fan its your god given right to win everything. and when you don't you boo players and want the manager sacked. pls listen to your self mate.

I don't think Chad knows what he is talking about. Ancelotti lost key players as a result of imposed transfers. He also had key injuries in the squad. He might not be the best manager in the world, but is probably the only top tier manager available that could manage the personalties on the team and the pressure from Perez who is a bit like Berlusconi and thinks he should be the manager.