Re: Thomas Tuchel Appreciation Thread

by S Sat 29 May - 13:25

farfan wrote:
S wrote:Some English commentators were praising Lampard for 'building the foundation' to this team

Did he have anything to do with the transfers? if that's the case, he does deserve some credit.

Given how he had no clue how to fit some of the players that were brought in and given how quickly he was sacked for making Chelsea look worse than a midtable team, I'm not so sure tbh.

by Kaladin Sat 29 May - 13:27

Hapless_Hans wrote:
Kaladin wrote:Its Bundesliga, where the likes of Calhanoglu and Holtby are world beaters, take everything Hans says with a giant quarry of salt. Guy is nothing until he proves himself outside of Germany.

He's a Di Matteo as of right now, lets see 6 months down the line what happens

This final was less of a Tuchel masterclass and more of a Pep disasterclass

by sportsczy Sat 29 May - 13:29

Yeah... it's Mourinho style football. Let's see how long players are willing to do it. Typically, year 2 is good and then the ship sinks in year 3.

Granted, it's much more defensive at Chelsea. Tuchel could not play this style at PSG.

by farfan Sat 29 May - 13:32

The way Chelsea dismantled Atletico and Madrid in the second leg was not exactly defensive nor Mourinhesque.

It's given for Guardiola's opponent to play defensively.

by RealGunner Sat 29 May - 13:32

Hapless_Hans wrote:
RealGunner wrote:Absolutely don't want this fraud anywhere near Arsenal.

@RealGunner talk to me

what do you think?

by sportsczy Sat 29 May - 13:34

farfan wrote:The way Chelsea dismantled Atletico and Madrid in the second leg was not exactly defensive nor Mourinhesque.

It's given for Guardiola's opponent to play defensively.

Mourinho earlier in his career... not what he's become recently. Regardless of either version, it only works for 2-3 years because it eventually wears thin with the more creative players with an ego. Of course, it's not like Chelsea are full of creative players anyhow. Pulisic is on the bench, who is about the only one. Kai H is as well... but he's multi-dimensional. He's a complete midfielder that could play in any style. It comes down more to ego the more I think about it.

It's predicated on defense, transition, speed and directness. Nothing wrong with it at all. It has a shelf life though.

by S Sat 29 May - 13:35

Except this game was a far from a Mourinho-esque performance except for the last 15-20 minutes.

Chelsea outplayed City for most of the game. Don't know what people are talking about here.

None of the Chelsea games I saw in CL screams Mourinho to me.

by Casciavit Sat 29 May - 13:41

He's implemented a great system. Not sure why he continues to get hate. If you don't win CL you're a failure with PSG?

by El Gunner Sat 29 May - 13:48

like i said, it's more Simeone than Mourinho

by BarcaLearning Sat 29 May - 16:37

S wrote:Some English commentators were praising Lampard for 'building the foundation' to this team

He brought in Mount who was quite an unknown and straight away a starter, so deserve credit for that. Although the likes of Abraham now isnt even considered, just like Giroud, and many teams nowadays, slow strikers doesnt offer enough for the best teams. Hope Lampard goes to other clubs or whatever to learn and improve his trade b4 trying to manage a big club again.

by urbaNRoots Sat 29 May - 23:59

Was begging us to sack Wenger for Klopp, we didn‘t.

Was begging again to sack Arteta for Tuchel, we didn‘t again.

:facepalm:

Absolutely feeling vindicated for supporting Tuchel!

by rincon Sun 30 May - 1:33

I don't understand how people are comparing the final to a Simeone game.

Tuchel did not park the bus, Chelsea were not overly defensive or aggressive, the game had a very nice flow, no stop and start tactics. Only at the very end they were defending deep.

Chelsea put a very balanced game plan and outplayed City.

Maybe like Sports says, early Mourinho, pre-Madrid madness.

by Hapless_Hans Sun 30 May - 1:46

The comparison to Mourinho is very off, because generally Tuchel's Chelsea really strives to dominate the game and also possession, it's just that against this City he chose that he needed to adapt and focus on compactness and transition.
Possession only went down starkly at the end, before it was like 55-45

Mourinho basically refuses possession as a matter of strategy (a strategy that hasn't worked for a decade)

by El Gunner Sun 30 May - 2:00

very, very off Laughing

not even "early-Mourinho" whatever that means

by Helmer Sun 30 May - 8:27

3 - Thomas Tuchel is just the second manager to record three consecutive wins in all competitions against Pep Guardiola (excl. Barcelona B), after fellow German Jürgen Klopp did so in 2018 with Liverpool. Masterminds. #UCLFinal pic.twitter.com/s8T4xVuGnv
— OptaJoe (@OptaJoe) May 29, 2021

Pep Guardiola has contested eight Finals as Man City manager:

2018 EFL Cup
2018 Community Shield
2019 EFL Cup
2019 FA Cup
2019 Community Shield
2020 EFL Cup
2021 EFL Cup
2021 UCL

Thomas Tuchel dishes out Pep's first L in a City Final. https://t.co/aKHn2E0xyv
— Squawka Football (@Squawka) May 29, 2021

by El Gunner Sun 21 Aug - 6:58

Dude's cookie dough and a confused man. Never seems to know what is his best starting eleven, when for starters it's so clear Chillwel is their best LWB and James should be playing RWB.

by Robespierre Wed 7 Sep - 1:15

SACKED FROM CHELSEA

by Robespierre Wed 7 Sep - 1:17

LMAO

Chelsea Football Club part company with Thomas Tuchel.
— Chelsea FC (@ChelseaFC) September 7, 2022

by Myesyats Wed 7 Sep - 1:25

by halamadrid2 Wed 7 Sep - 1:27

It was going to happen sooner or later. He sucked the life out of that team

Poch next

by Kaladin Wed 7 Sep - 1:36

He got sacked before Lampard rofl

by halamadrid2 Wed 7 Sep - 1:37

He'll catch the first flight back to Germany to take over Leipzig

by BarcaLearning Wed 7 Sep - 1:37

Wow... at first I thought he proved me wrong by getting results so fast when he joined Chelsea, beating everyone somehow without having the best players, amazing I thought, n then not long after this. Recently the incident with Conte actually earned my respect more, so on idea whats happening Razz

Business as usual for Chelsea? New owners are no different to Abramovich when it comes to firing managers then Very Happy

More interested now where Tuchel will be next then who is Chelsea next manager tbh... top 4 incoming for Man U all of a sudden? XD

by Firenze Wed 7 Sep - 2:27

I figured he'd be gone by December but sheesh, fair play, dunno what was going on behind the scenes but I assume Poch will be in now.

by Myesyats Wed 7 Sep - 2:42

Im glad they signed Auba before this, Thomas was so keen to work with him again (:

by BarcaLearning Wed 7 Sep - 3:00

Auba now must be like wtf is going on with life... joins Barca, gets robbed n assaulted, ditched to Tuchel n plays just one game n now wondering who he will play under next. Also feel bad for Sterling...

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