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Post by FennecFox7 Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:08 am

So it actually happened. Lol.

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Post by CBarca Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:06 am

I'm not a religious guy by any means but God help us all
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Post by Bellabong Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:06 am

i might turn to religion seeing as rationality has become useless
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Post by Myesyats Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:10 am

Overreacting much? He's not a stupid person. He's a witty businessman, if he runs the country as he runs his businesses then you're fine, really.
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Post by rincon Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:19 am

I hope he won't run the country like he runs his business. That would mean money-over-everything leaving behind many scammed people and lawsuits to spare. This time he has to see to the interest of a population instead of just his own.

What a *bleep* disaster.
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Post by Freeza Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:30 am

Myesyats wrote:Overreacting much? He's not a stupid person. He's a witty businessman, if he runs the country as he runs his businesses then you're fine, really.


Which businesses are we talking here?

Trump Steaks?
GoTrump?
Trump Airlines?
Trump Vodka?
Trump Casinos?
Trump University?
Trump's Football league?

Seriously... If he runs USA like his businesses then there's like 5% chance he doesn't bankrupt the country. Or best case scenario.. Give up after a year of not being succesful, which is his MO.

He only succeeded in the hotel business. A business that was paid for by his father and his name.

Trump doesn't have a father here to loan him money and say "it's okay, you can let my son buy that building, he's good for it"

Donaldo Trump isn't a "selfmade" businessman the way people imagine him to be. He got loans from his father (more than the milion he claims). His father already had casino's in USA and was one of the richest people in America. Donald Trump just decided to expand into building hotels into Manhattan. Something his father had not yet done.

That's not really a risk. A risk would be someone who achieved that without having the same father and opportunities and access to easy money.
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Post by Myesyats Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:28 pm

I love how everyone is suddenly an expert on how to run a country Laughing

Listing the things Trump will do wrong 1 day into his presidency Laughing

I know he is more of a celebrity than a politican but please who are you to judge him before he even does anything.

Also, he's not a dictator. He's got a bunch of people beside and behind him.

I know that you people would rather Democrats win but it's too late now, I'm so sorry...
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Post by Pedram Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:58 pm

We should give more credit to Donald Trump for destroying both Republican and Democratic establishment in one election.

Shows how irrelevant and out of touch the two party system has become, Trump hijacked the Republican Party and if the DNC didn't rig the primary in favor of Hillary, the general election would've been between two anti-establishment candidates.
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Post by rincon Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:23 pm

@myesyats

You know who is also not an expert in running a country? Donald Trump.

Its a disaster not because he is a "republican". Republican or democrat, things can be done right.Its a disaster because he is a demagogue. He is a reflection of huge problems in american society and politics.

On one hand he can just be one more demagogue taking advantage of populism to gain power and all his promises are lies. On the other hand he may come through on his speeches and alienate massive parts of his population, creating discord and enhancing hate.

The whole thing is a disaster that will deeply affect his people. Something you might see if you weren't so busy with misguided political agendas, or trolling.
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Post by Freeza Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:34 pm

Pedram wrote:We should give more credit to Donald Trump for destroying both Republican and Democratic establishment in one election.

Shows how irrelevant and out of touch the two party system has become, Trump hijacked the Republican Party and if the DNC didn't rig the primary in favor of Hillary, the general election would've been between two anti-establishment candidates.


Do you really believe this? Laughing

Trump in no way is anti-establishment. I have no idea why people believe this. He's as elitist as they come. He's a conservative republican who doesn't give a shit about the middle class. Trump has been a huge political donor throughout his life. He loves hanging out with celebrities and he's probably the biggest narcissist to ever run for an election.

Credit to him though. He somehow convinced millions of people that we was the opposite of what he actually is. Well, aside from being racist. That's something he's always been.
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Post by rincon Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:43 pm

^Exactly.

I would be happier if Trump actually seemed legitimately anti-establishment. Everything from the moment he won the election looks like same-old same-old.

Only appointing Steve Bannon is actually anti-establishment, but is that really the direction they should take? Laughing
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Post by McLewis Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:00 pm

He signed an executive order last night to gut Obamacare by stopping the individual mandate. He's getting started early.

I don't have Obamacare (I get my health insurance through the company I work for), but I do tend to think this was one of the worst parts of the law. I understand why it was necessary, but forcing people to get health care or pay a fine is just not a great way of going about getting people universal healthcare.

That said, this is the beginning of the end of Obamacare. It would be naive to think the GOP won't repeal it without replacing it. They're just going to repeal it.

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Post by BarrileteCosmico Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:14 pm

He is antiestablishment. He's an outsider who hijacked the republican party with a message that on certain points betrays what they have stood for since at least the 70s (trade, infrastructure spending). The european politics equivalent would be a far-right populist party winning an outright majority.

Obamacare had to be reformed regardless of who won. The original intent was to fix it along the way but after 2010 the republicans went into full obstructionist mode and the only fix they would consider was repealing it. Hopefully they manage to turn out something cheaper that doesn't lose coverage for all and no discrimination against existing medical conditions (as Trump has stated).
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Post by Pedram Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:49 pm

Freeza wrote:
Pedram wrote:We should give more credit to Donald Trump for destroying both Republican and Democratic establishment in one election.

Shows how irrelevant and out of touch the two party system has become, Trump hijacked the Republican Party and if the DNC didn't rig the primary in favor of Hillary, the general election would've been between two anti-establishment candidates.


Do you really believe this? Laughing  

Trump in no way is anti-establishment. I have no idea why people believe this. He's as elitist as they come. He's a conservative republican who doesn't give a shit about the middle class. Trump has been a huge political donor throughout his life. He loves hanging out with celebrities and he's probably the biggest narcissist to ever run for an election.

Credit to him though. He somehow convinced millions of people that we was the opposite of what he actually is. Well, aside from being racist. That's something he's always been.

Trump is anti-establishment in the sense that he has no loyalty to the Republican party and their platform, his views on border and immigration, rebuilding the infrastructure, protectionist stance on trade, opposition to NAFTA, and non-interventionism on foreign policy are in direct conflict with what Republicans stand for.
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Post by McLewis Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:35 pm

I tend to agree with Pedram. Trump does have a documented history of donations to the Clintons, prior to his foray into politics. He's not exactly the shining beacon of conservatism. I think he might even be capable of something resembling liberal tendencies, depending on the topic. He's not a traditional politician so I'm not sure he's always going to make choices based on the favor of the people who elected him, unlike most of Congress. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see him go his own way on certain topics.

Having said that, he's still incredibly dangerous with the amount of power he now has.

You don't see marches as big as the one in Washington and around this country as well as in other country if it were otherwise.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:36 pm

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-reportedly-wanted-tanks-missile-014415635.html

Trump wanted to include tanks and missiles during his inauguration for a North Korea styled celebration Laughing
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Post by CBarca Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:38 pm

I mean, I would be hard pressed to trust a "source" from that rag of a newspaper the Huffington Post. When it comes to Trump they're no better than the national enquirer Laughing
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Post by Freeza Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:38 pm

They called a press conference to lie about the size of the crowd trying to silence the media rofl Laughing

There's so much evidence of the crowd size. It was around 250k and Trump said it was 1.5 million and the biggest ever Proud
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Post by McAgger Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:56 am

What do western women have to protest about? Really, please explain to me. And don't bring the bs and myth about wage discrimination. The western world is practically build for women.

If anybody should be marching it's the men Laughing

I understand if women in third world countries who are really being oppressed and are really the ones who find themselves in need of equal rights stand up and march.
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Post by Tomwin Lannister Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:06 am

Because they live in a rape culture brah, you know where a guy smiles across the room at a girl in the bar and it makes her feel violated.
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Post by Freeza Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:14 am

Tomwin Lannister wrote:Because they live in a rape culture brah, you know where a guy smiles across the room at a girl in the bar and it makes her feel violated.


Seriously. What is your guys' problems?

Do women need better rights? Hell yeah. Do men also need better rights? Yes. One doesn't exclude the other.

But the matter of the fact is that a guy who bragged about sexual assaulting a women just was sworn in as a president. A man who has a huge history of demeaning talk and rhetoric against women.

Also the whole Planned Parenthood thing. There's so much wrong with how the government is keeping women from getting medical help regarding their pregnancies.
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Post by FennecFox7 Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:18 am

The one thing I don't agree with is what was caught on camera. Come on, a lot of guys are like that. Saying "grab her by the pussy" is not okay but it's not the biggest deal in the world.

The actual rape allegations are something else. Now that's not okay and I'm surprised that hasn't been looked into more
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Post by Freeza Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:21 am

FennecFox7 wrote:The one thing I don't agree with is what was caught on camera. Come on, a lot of guys are like that. Saying "grab her by the pussy" is not okay but it's not the biggest deal in the world.

The actual rape allegations are something else. Now that's not okay and I'm surprised that hasn't been looked into more


Just because a lot of guys are like that, doesn't make it okay tbh. I have never in my life experienced anyone talk like that about girls in my group of friends or anyone I've talked about personal stuff with.
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Post by Freeza Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:30 am

This is actually an amazing tweet

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/266034630820507648
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Post by Guest Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:04 am

Don't call me James wrote:What do western women have to protest about? Really, please explain to me. And don't bring the bs and myth about wage discrimination. The western world is practically build for women.

If anybody should be marching it's the men Laughing

I understand if women in third world countries who are really being oppressed and are really the ones who find themselves in need of equal rights stand up and march.


Theres a reason women around the world are protesting today. It would be in your best interest to at least, earnestly, listen to their viewpoint. Every woman is not making things up as they go.

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Post by DuringTheWar Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:28 am

Betty La Fea wrote:
Don't call me James wrote:What do western women have to protest about? Really, please explain to me. And don't bring the bs and myth about wage discrimination. The western world is practically build for women.

If anybody should be marching it's the men Laughing

I understand if women in third world countries who are really being oppressed and are really the ones who find themselves in need of equal rights stand up and march.


Theres a reason women around the world are protesting today. It would be in your best interest to at least, earnestly, listen to their viewpoint. Every woman is not making things up as they go.


There's a reason 53% of white women voted for Trump, I suggest it would be in your best interest to at least, earnestly, listen to their viewpoint. And most non white women voted against him for different reasons.

It would seriously help to stay in touch with reality, this stuff isn't really about women at its core.
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