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Post by Adit on Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:07 am

What we are lacking is a goal scorer .we conceded similar number of goals against shit teams last season but we were able to massively out score them. This time the problem is we don't have any goal scoring threats and icardi would solve that issue at least. Counter pressing, lack of width etc are other big problems but not addressing them doesn't mean we shouldn't solve the goal scoring problem.

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Post by Valkyrja on Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:24 am

First and foremost we need two wingers who can beat a man at pace, then a Benzema replacement and a Modric replacement. How is benzema supposed to score if we can't get the ball into the box more than 3 times a game ?

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Post by Adit on Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:38 am

But are you sure Benzema will score? His cf play is very limited and we definitely need a goal scorer as a cf now that CR is gone.

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Post by sportsczy on Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:30 am

Chance creation is the problem... last year, finishing sucked for 4 months to start but we were creating a massive number of chances every game (on par or better than all our great seasons).  This season, we don't even look dangerous.

Before anyone can score, you need scoring opportunities.  That needs to get fixed first.

I can't remember the stat exactly... but come the winter break last season, we were averaging 20+ shots and 9+ clear scoring opportunities a game.  The problem was that our combined strikers had an efficiency of 8% or something ridiculous like that.  This season, Benz is hitting on 5 of 23 shots (not enough shots), Bale is at 4 of 40 and Mariano is 1 of 9.  10 out of 72 is 14% roughly, which is about average (15% combined is where you want to be at minimum with the main scorer at 20% or more).  The problem isn't efficiency really... it's the 72 shots by our main goalscorers in 12 official games.  That's 6 per game combined and I'm almost certain that they're creating 2-3 clear chances per game max.  That's putrid.

Our chance creation is shit. Didn's start out that way... but the last 6-7 games we've fallen off a cliff.

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Post by The Demon of Carthage on Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:46 pm

@Valkyrja wrote:
@The Demon of Carthage wrote:That's your opinion. But most of us are sick and tired of Benzema and we would welcome any improvement on him because continuing with him is absolutely unacceptable.

It's also ironic to me that you would be completely opposed to signing Icardi when you have quite possibly the worst CF out of any CL contender. Although to be fair, we are no longer a CL contender.

You are in no position to be picky. You already have the worst.


We clearly don't have do sign any scrub because of your baffled opinion on Benzema. Rather wait for a good fit than panic buy an average striker.

Seriously, don't quote someone to say something completely nonsensical. I'm usually open to all views, but I can't take seriously anybody who claims that Benzema is any good.

You're calling Icardi average and a scrub. What does that make the joke for a CF you already have?

If Madrid told Inter right now they would like to make a straight Benzema-Icardi swap, the Italians would tell them to go eff themselves.

And panic buy? lool, he should've been replaced two seasons ago. This wouldn't be a panic buy, this would be a buy that was long-overdue.


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Post by Mamad on Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:28 pm

Benzema played a huuuuge part in our last 3 CL titles. he is good. actually i can say with confidence that Benzema is a big game player.

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Post by Mamad on Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:29 pm

You want to sign Higuain V2? OK. he'll get benched by Benzema too.

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Post by Valkyrja on Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:36 pm

@The Demon of Carthage wrote:
@Valkyrja wrote:
@The Demon of Carthage wrote:That's your opinion. But most of us are sick and tired of Benzema and we would welcome any improvement on him because continuing with him is absolutely unacceptable.

It's also ironic to me that you would be completely opposed to signing Icardi when you have quite possibly the worst CF out of any CL contender. Although to be fair, we are no longer a CL contender.

You are in no position to be picky. You already have the worst.


We clearly don't have do sign any scrub because of your baffled opinion on Benzema. Rather wait for a good fit than panic buy an average striker.

Seriously, don't quote someone to say something completely nonsensical. I'm usually open to all views, but I can't take seriously anybody who claims that Benzema is any good.

You're calling Icardi average and a scrub. What does that make the joke for a CF you already have?

If Madrid told Inter right now they would like to make a straight Benzema-Icardi swap, the Italians would tell them to go eff themselves.

And panic buy? lool, he should've been replaced two seasons ago. This wouldn't be a panic buy, this would be a buy that was long-overdue.



Everything about you has been screaming non-sense for at least 2 seasons. Why would I splash 100+ on a poacher (and not a RVN or sth like that) ? So when the next great striker emerges in 18/19 or 19/20 we splash another 200 on him, just to struggle getting rid of Icardi on huge wages, who, btw, is a Interista and has no qualm about coming here.

How's life without Zidane, btw ? Not a bad coach dat baldie I guess Laughing

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Post by The Demon of Carthage on Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:02 pm

Your line of thinking is amazing. "There's no R9 out there so I'll just stick to the shitty striker I have until maybe, just maybe, another great CF comes to light. It doesn't matter if I wait a year, 2 or three, I'll not spend a dime until I see a Godly CF. Meanwhile, I'll keep fielding a finished CF and enjoy scoring once every full moon." You're something else Laughing

And to answer your question. Life is amazing without Zidane, and it sucks without Ronaldo. Zidane knew when to jump ship because he was struggling so bad even with Ronaldo, let alone without him. And he would be struggling just as much as Lopetegui if not more with the team we have right now. The fact that you're enable to see that, which is frankly a very easy thing to deduct, is testimony to how brilliant you are.

Enjoy the parallel universe you seem to be living in.

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Post by sportsczy on Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:22 pm

I disagree with you DoC.  Zidane is a very very pragmatic manager.  He would have played a style to fit the players...  Remember that Varane, Ramos, Marcelo, Carvajal, Navas, Bale (of course), Casemiro and Modric were all injured for stretches to start last season.  Remember Casilla being the GK, Ashraf at RB, Theo at LB... not mention Benzema and CR playing horribly???

That was our first half of last season.  We had better players... eventually.  They needed to get healthy and in form.  Namely, CR.  That's the only reason I say we had better players.

The bottom line is that Lope takes some of the blame as does Flo (for a lot of the blame). Reason I blame Lope is that it's not like he's sticking with a proven and winning formula (which is what Zidane did)... he's trying something revolutionary and, despite horrible results, won't change. Zidane experimented a lot early before finding his formule. Lope should do the same. If he tried a few things and they all didn't work... then it would be all on Flo.

Our squad is much better than our results so far.

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Post by The Demon of Carthage on Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:34 pm

You forgot to mention that Zidane was relying heavily on crosses and individual brilliance to win games. Rarely did we score from open play.

Ronaldo is one of the best headers in the game and he knew exactly where to position himself to be at the end of those crosses. Zidane also knew that, that's why crossing was our go-to approach when we were having problems unlocking defenses.

That approach wouldn't work now because there's only ghosts at end of our crosses, and Zidane would have to find another approach to score goals. Given the sorry state our attack is at right now, I'm inclined to believe he would have a very hard time coming up with one.

Zidane is many things but he's not stupid sports. He knew the team won't stay elite without reinforcements and he was completely right. That's why he left.

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Post by sportsczy on Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:20 pm

Yeah but I think he would have really set the team up NOT to give up goals first given that there wasn't much scoring threats. I think it's a bit naive to set us up with high line and trying to play champagne football with our current setup... lack of pragmatism.

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Post by Vibe on Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:28 pm

Based on how much chances Icardi gets at Inter and how much he scores compared to how much chances a Real Madrid striker gets, he would score Ronaldo goals easy.
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Post by Thimmy on Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:36 pm

@Vibe wrote:Based on how much chances Icardi gets at Inter and how much he scores compared to how much chances a Real Madrid striker gets, he would score Ronaldo goals easy.


It seems to me that people are sceptical about what he provides besides scoring goals. A scepticism that is, of course, warranted since we have a wide range of more flexible options that are just waiting for us to be handpicked.

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Post by The Demon of Carthage on Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:40 pm

@Thimmy wrote:
@Vibe wrote:Based on how much chances Icardi gets at Inter and how much he scores compared to how much chances a Real Madrid striker gets, he would score Ronaldo goals easy.


It seems to me that people are sceptical about what he provides besides scoring goals. A scepticism that is, of course, warranted since we have a wide range of more flexible options that are just waiting for us to be handpicked.

I love your sarcasm dude, always refreshing Very Happy

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Post by sportsczy on Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:42 pm

I want Icardi lol. I want Ibra. I want Ben Yedder. I want Andre Silva... heck, i'd take Aubameyang.

We someone who can score.

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Post by The Demon of Carthage on Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:44 pm

Forget score. Someone who can shoot would suffice at this point lol

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Post by FennecFox7 on Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:50 pm

ben yedder would be an amazing option for us. why we got mariano and never went for him is beyond me. such a gifted and underrated player
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Post by titosantill on Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:21 am

You want chance creation? Then we need to start moving away from 4 3 3 , an attacking midfielder (not an amf masquerading as a cmf) may answer that. Modric kroos are great cmf's but creating in the final third constantly isnt their role. Sadly for flo he might have to spend a lot more of that money that he was saving. But i'm for a total reshuffle, even of the formation
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