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Rodrygo still a noob, needs to prove himself on the pitch. Yes he is thought as a better talent than Vinicius but talent means nothing, Vinicius proved himself a beast in a few months.

Vinicius will be a starter he earned it

futbol_bill wrote:And @Doc on what basis do you say he is a noob?

I assume the good @Doc said it on the basis that Rodrygo is not only just 18, but also so new that he literally isn't even your player yet.
On what basis do you have to ask

Mr Nick09 wrote:Rodrygo still a noob, needs to prove himself on the pitch. Yes he is thought as a better talent than Vinicius but talent means nothing, Vinicius proved himself a beast in a few months.

Vinicius will be a starter he earned it

Unlikely. Hazard is going to start on the left obviously. CF is CF. We're going to sign a bonafide right wing player or RAM.

Vini is going to have to force his way on from the bench....

I continue with my theory that Hazard will start down the middle of a 4231. Vinicius was our second best forward this season, it would be damn right criminal to bench him.

ZZ doesn't run imbalanced tactics as his base...  unless you have Kante and Pogba in the double pivot.  With Casemiro, Kroos and Modric...  no chance imo.  The profiles don't fit.

I also think ZZ wants Hazard to have space in front of him while not playing to far from the box so he can score....  AM is more of a table setter role than a finishing one.  Hazard is at his best in or around the box where defenders can't tackle him.

When he strays away from a 433, it's a 442 diamond where a true winger comes in mostly for defensive coverage than anything else. He still play 3 CMs... but plays a winger. That winger needs to play on the right. Hazard can play anywhere.... but he's FAR more effective starting left and coming in. I don't see him not playing his best position (not to mention it would be stupid).

Pogba and Casemiro double pivot

Hazard behind the CF can play with freedom down the middle, this is where he makes his best plays and is the least predictable imo. He doesn't stick to the left side of the pitch anymore.

I also don't see Zidane benching Vinicius and ruining his progression. There are compromises to be found, this is one of them. Vinicius and Hazard both need to start and the 4231 accommodates both in their preferred positions.

And @Doc on what basis do you say he is a noob?

A rookie, someone who is new to this level, to which, he definitely is.

Mr Nick09 wrote:Pogba and Casemiro double pivot

Hazard behind the CF can play with freedom down the middle, this is where he makes his best plays and is the least predictable imo. He doesn't stick to the left side of the pitch anymore.

I also don't see Zidane benching Vinicius and ruining his progression. There are compromises to be found, this is one of them. Vinicius and Hazard both need to start and the 4231 accommodates both in their preferred positions.

Casemiro doesn't have the ball skills to handle a double pivot.  Hazard is the only one who can help the midfield in your setup (and he'll have to with Casemiro)....  so you're, in essence, forcing him away from goal.

Doesn't work for me.  The team isn't balanced.  However, talented Vini is, the team comes first.  Assuming we buy Hazard, he literally has no position unless the midfield is completely overhauled allowing for a double pivot.  I'm not sure that's even possible btw if Marcelo is still here.

Too many sacrificed need to be made in order to accommodate Vini.  I don't think he's worth it.

Casemiro-Pogba doesn't work but Kante-Pogba does because Kante has such advanced ball skills compared to Casemiro yeah?

We don't need to sacrifice anyone to keep Vini at LW he is already there. You sacrifice people by signing Hazard. Besides the only sacrifice would be Kroos and Modric, whom I thought everyone was ready to move away from.

Mr Nick09 wrote:Casemiro-Pogba doesn't work but Kante-Pogba does because Kante has such advanced ball skills compared to Casemiro yeah?

Actually, yeah he does. Kante's displaying quite some skillful stuff in his new role at Chelsea.

Also, I don#t think Kroos is ready to move away.

I low key can't stand Casemiro on the ball he is a liability.

If it was up to me it would be 100% black midfield in Madrid next summer, Kante-Ndombele

And fck Kroos, he needs to leave

Thing is, Chelsea have a transfer ban so you can already count yourself lucky they'll let Hazard go.
No chance in hell they'll sell anyone else, especially not to you. We won't get Hudson-Odoi either, not sure whether that's good or bad. I tend towards good.

Yeah, Kante is quite better with the ball than Casemiro. Also, rare I side with Nick but I agree with the fact that benching Vini would be pretty harsh on him, down right wrong tbh.

In any case, it's not like they'll be staying in one position all match as there should be fluidity coming from the attack. Or more specifically, they shouldn't be sticking to one position all match.

Vini ain't a noob though. He clearly can cut it at this level as has been shown. Meanwhile, Rodrygo has yet to kick a ball on the shores of Spain. Has he even boarded a plane to Europe as yet?

Did you just say that Ndombele is not box to box? What?

Vinicius is going to be a starter, you can bookmark this

Being injured before Zidane really took over doesn't help. Personally, with the signings I expect to see I don't think he will be starting as easily as you might assume. I think he will be the first off the bench though, and will start lesser matches like CDR and the like. For his age he is still really ahead of the curve apart from Mbappe, and we shouldn't rush him or get bent out of shape when he's not playing every minute.

Mr Nick09 wrote:Did you just say that Ndombele is not box to box? What?

Vinicius is going to be a starter, you can bookmark this

Even more so now that he's the new face of Brazil, or at least Nike's Brazil

Vinicius being on 1 poster for a kit manufacturer that isn't even our own has no impact on whether he will start or not.

Hazard has been the Belgium and Chelsea posterboy for years and they play the same position.

my right winger, this is a run and finish not a lot of people can make, and he does it consistently

https://twitter.com/beINSPORTSUSA/status/1117524844021735426

van de beek and ziyech.

upgrade over anyone in madrid atm.

great young players. excellent today.

Van de Beek yes, Ziyech hard no

Definitely yes on the Van de Beek. Ziyech is gonna make you rip out your hair more than impress tbh. Frustrating yet really talented footballer.