Is Sergio Busquets world class?

jibers wrote:LM, what exactly do you mean by WC? and what position? CB or DLP? Using the word defensive MF for busquets is like calling Vidic a ball playing CB. Busquets is Guardiolas heir and he is a deep lying playmaker. He is NOT a defensive MF anchorman ala Makelele. He is probably up there with the best deep lying playmakers. Would say he is slightly below Xabi in somethings, only because he gets far more protection. Pirlo is the standard in that position.

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Why are you so obsessed with me? Just *bleep* off. I find it odd that this isn't the first second or third time I've had to tell you this.

Lionel Messi wrote:I was asking by your standards, if you consider him to be WC. Also that comparison with Vidic is irrelevant because I wasn't talking about his role but his position on paper, not on the pitch, and that post wasn't really that serious anyway, but some took it that way (izzy26 got butthurt ).

The Franchise wrote:Still trying to figure out how diving plays a role in judging him.

I am seeing a little of, "I hate him, he dives, so no"

Like diving has a negative impact on your play.

Anyway, I dont know about world class and all that. What I do know is, he plays for us and plays in all important games and therefore plays against the best of the best. When you play against elite opponants all the time and your consistently outplaying your opponant I dont see how you cant be one of the best?

He cant tackle? Cant win balls?

He holds the CL record for most balls won last time I checked...so someone explain that?


I think the only reason people claim he cant do those things are based on his apperance and of course hateration rather then whats actually happening.

buddytaller wrote:Busquets is probably the most overrated midfielder in the world, he's not an exeptional passer tackler, shooter, in fact the only exceptional aspect of his game is his diving, so no, for me he's perfect in the Barcelona system where, he basically gives 1 meter square passes, and scavenges loose balls lost after other players have pressed the opposition player, but he's surely not world class in my books.

buddytaller wrote:Busquets is probably the most overrated midfielder in the world, he's not an exeptional passer, tackler, shooter, in fact the only exceptional aspect of his game is his diving, so no, for me he's perfect in the Barcelona system where, he basically gives 1 meter square passes, and scavenges loose balls lost after other players have pressed the opposition player, but he's surely not world class in my books.

bhends wrote:

buddytaller wrote:Busquets is probably the most overrated midfielder in the world, he's not an exeptional passer tackler, shooter, in fact the only exceptional aspect of his game is his diving, so no, for me he's perfect in the Barcelona system where, he basically gives 1 meter square passes, and scavenges loose balls lost after other players have pressed the opposition player, but he's surely not world class in my books.

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jibers wrote:Don't really agree with the term WC. I would say a great player is a player that

A) Has the God given ability
B) Is able to Maximise that ability and do well for the team
C) (B) on a consistent basis
D) Elevate your teams overall performance (possibly lead them to wining important trophies or help them attain something pausible ie a top 4 finish, save them from relegation etc)

Any player that has at least 3 of those four is WC i suppose.

Xavi fits nicely into all the four
Nani has 2 so he isn't WC but maybe he is, no?
Rooney is WC
Aguero isn't because again, he has 2 of those so I don't consider him WC.
anyways you get my point. Pedro has 2 so no WC.

But the again that is a very narrow minded view. What happens if a player goes to a different team and doesn't perform and he was previoulsy considerd WC? is WC a permanent status or something you only have for a few seasons? If it's the former then Ruud VN is still WC as he has performed in 3 different leagues and has been top goal scorer, but that isn't true is it? So it has to e the latter. So by that definition, Torres isn't a WC striker anymore and hasn't been one for almost two seasons. Villa isn't WC because he is currently suffering or is he? the saying form is temporary class is permanent comes into mind here. So if a player ala Veron who was played out of posotion at United was considered WC before, wheat would you have called him after he played at United? or Forlan? He had one WC season by that definition. Does being WC mean you have to perform the criteria for a certain number of seasons? If yes then Forlan, Marcelo and RVP (due to different circumstances are not WC). Messi and Ronaldo have been performing these feats consistently.

Using Balotelli for example, I would say that he isn't even close to WC as he only has one of those 4 things, but I'm sure people on this forum would disagree.

Using an example that the RM and Barcelona fans can relate to. Ronaldo and Messi. MEssi fulfilled all the categories last season and has done for 3 season now. It could be argues that ROnaldo only did 3, but 3 out of four is still WC. Xavi did all four, so by that definition, Xavi is a btter player than ROnaldo?

andiii wrote:i don't care he's such a twat i had to vote no

*edit* do truly world class players need to rely on diving so much?

El Pipita wrote:He'd be world class in a possession-based side but he doesn't have the speed to cope with fast and physical players.

The Franchise wrote:

El Pipita wrote:He'd be world class in a possession-based side but he doesn't have the speed to cope with fast and physical players.

Possession based side meaning what? This sounds like code for "only good inside Barca".

Seriously, he can play world class for us because we have the ball 70% of the time, but he would struggle for Madrid or Chelsea because they only have 60%? That 10% makes that big a difference?

El Pipita wrote:

The Franchise wrote:

El Pipita wrote:He'd be world class in a possession-based side but he doesn't have the speed to cope with fast and physical players.

Possession based side meaning what? This sounds like code for "only good inside Barca".

Seriously, he can play world class for us because we have the ball 70% of the time, but he would struggle for Madrid or Chelsea because they only have 60%? That 10% makes that big a difference?

You don't get it, Most of typical DM's nowadays are fast and physical and wouldn't struggle in a counter-attacking-based side. Busquets however mostly rely on his positional awareness and intercepting, he isn't an enforcer like most of DM's. that's why i've said he would be world class in any possession-based side.