[BOOKS] Game of Thrones for the Literate

RealGunner wrote:Wow they have completely changed the North arc.

I think Locke will Kill Jon instead of Bowen marsh in the end.

Also Ghost captured F off.

Bran being captured

And yea, the white walkers in the end. We saw more of them than in the books lmao.

Dragonbinder description

The Horn is 6 feet (1,83 meters) long. It is made from the horn of what must have been an enormous dragon. It has a black gleam, and is banded with red gold and Valyrian steel. When touched the Horn feels warm and smooth. Its surface is shiny and reflective, though the reflection depicted is somehow twisted. The bands of the Horn are covered by strange writings, which Moqorro identifies as Valyrian glyphs. When the Horn sounds, the glyphs glow red-hot and then white-hot

Horn of Winter/Joramun

The horn which Mance Rayder names the Horn of Joramun is eight feet long. It is so wide at the mouth that Jon Snow could put his arm inside up to the elbow. It is black in colour with gold bands that are graven with runes of the First Men. At first Jon thinks the bands are bronze but when he moves closer he realises that the bands are made of gold, old gold, more brown than yellow. It is said to be a thousand years old. It is not known what the horn is made of. Jon Snow thinks that if it came from an aurochs, it was the biggest aurochs that ever lived.

Both are huge and are theorized to have come from an giant beast "enormous dragon" & "biggest aurochs that ever lived"
Both are black with gold bands and are engraved with ancient glyphs/runes
My personal theory is that the Horn of Winter doesn't take control of one of Danys dragons... but instead "awakens giants from the earth" as the wildlings believe it to, but in this case Giant Dragons, but not from the "earth" but out of the wall itself... thus fulfilling the other prophecy of the Horn, "bringing down the wall" But this is the Horn of "Winter" and it is made by the first men not Valyrians so it would bring out Ice Dragons instead.
"An ice dragon is a species of dragon that exists in Westerosi fairytales. Old Nan used to tell tales of the ice dragon."
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Ice_dragon
Might be worth noting that just about every time the ice dragons are mentioned in the book it's in reference to the wall somehow...
"The road beneath the Wall was as dark and cold as the belly of an ice dragon and as twisty as a serpent.”
"The wind was blowing from the east along the Wall, cold as the breath of the ice dragon in the tales Old Nan used to tell.”
Davos chapter mentions the Ice Dragon constellation
"The clouds hid most of the Ice Dragon, all but the bright blue eye the marked due north.
Jon also mentions Ice Dragons again when walking through the ice tunnel through the wall
"It felt like walking down the gullet of an ice dragon."
Bran asks Osha how to get to the wall
"The way's easy. Look for the Ice Dragon, and chase the blue star in the rider's eye."
This is about the Ice Dragon constellation that is beyond the wall, worth noting that the rider and the dragons eyes are blue... much like a wight and an other.
The blue star eye thing got me thinking...
Jon after Othor tries to kill the Lord Commander
"The sword laid the intruder open to the bone, taking off half his nose and opening a gash cheek to cheek under those eyes, eyes, eyes like blue stars burning.
and the Sam chapter were he is saved from the wights by Coldhands
"He punched and pulled at the wight's wrists, to no avail. He kicked Paul between the legs, uselessly. The world shrank to two blue stars.
and the story of the Night's King and the woman he took as his corpse queen
"with skin as white as the moon and eyes like blue stars"
When Jon asks Gilly about the cold gods
"What color are their eyes? he asked her. "Blue. As bright as blue stars, and as cold."
It seems every time "blue star" is mentioned it is talking about eyes... either the eyes of a white walker/wight or the eye of this Dragon constellation. I searched every book except Dance because I don't have the digital copy available to me now.
So, I think maybe Ice Dragons are a seperate species of dragon or perhaps an undead version of Valyrian dragons brought back as Wights.

'Your mother can’t help you none,” said the old woman on the left. “That dead old man can’t neither. You take his sword and you take that big warm fur cloak o’ his and you take his horse if you can find him. And you go.” “The girl don’t lie,” the old woman on the right said. “She’s my girl, and I beat the lying out of her early on. You said you’d help her. Do what Ferny says, boy. Take the girl and be quick about it.” “Quick,” the raven said. “Quick quick quick.” “Where?” asked Sam, puzzled. “Where should I take her?” “Someplace warm,” the two old women said as one. Gilly was crying. “Me and the babe. Please. I’ll be your wife, like I was Craster’s. Please, ser crow. He’s a boy, just like Nella said he’d be. If you don’t take him, they will.” “They?” said Sam, and the raven cocked its black head and echoed, “They. They. They.” “The boy’s brothers,” said the old woman on the left. “Craster’s sons. The white cold’s rising out there, crow. I can feel it in my bones. These poor old bones don’t lie. They’ll be here soon, the sons"

M99 wrote:Speculation that The Winds Of Winter release date will be announced around the time of the season finale. Because that's what's best for business.

RealGunner wrote:Btw, are we sure that HBO didn't just make a simple mistake with Nights King thing lol?

dostoevsky wrote:Was going to post the theory about the Last Hero and the Night's King being one and the same, it seems plausible that they could represent different periods of the one life, and the fact that there are clearly 12 companions to Albino Darth Maul means that it could well be true.

I'm still reading this theory and I still need to digest it and consider how much I consider plausible, but this is an interesting discussion of Melisandre, her possible origins and the significance of her glamour.

http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/96824-sbm-mel-the-red-star-bleeding-melony-seastar-part-2-has-been-added-on-pg9/

dostoevsky wrote:Was going to post the theory about the Last Hero and the Night's King being one and the same, it seems plausible that they could represent different periods of the one life, and the fact that there are clearly 12 companions to Albino Darth Maul means that it could well be true.

I'm still reading this theory and I still need to digest it and consider how much I consider plausible, but this is an interesting discussion of Melisandre, her possible origins and the significance of her glamour.

http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/96824-sbm-mel-the-red-star-bleeding-melony-seastar-part-2-has-been-added-on-pg9/

RealGunner wrote:Reading the Melisandre theory now.


On a different note. Does anyone else think that Ser Pounce is an important cat-racter in the Books?

He is the only one who is allowed near Tommen and we have seen how Arya have warged into cats before...

My theory is that Arya would warg into Ser pounce to kill Tommen.