Re: All about Mesut Özil

by che Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:21 pm

that's exactly what arsenal were getting into... a guy who strolls around the final third picking passes, with a tendency to completely disappear out of a game once/twice a month

he still has the ability to get you a good number of points on assists alone, even more if arsenal were playing an actual forward, not a traffic cone

by Tomwin Lannister Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:23 pm

Agreed that his life is made more difficult with somebody like Giroud infront of him, but the OP is still spot on.

Ozil is a luxury player, and often disappears which is not what you expect from a 'World Class' player at all.

by the xcx Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:27 pm

Mou you genius :bow:

by Hapless_Hans Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:28 pm

so wait a minute, you've been top of table all season, today you had a disastrous game for a number of reasons, with Özil's performance surely not in the top 5 of those reasons, and now is the time to really get to the bottom of this Özil problem, right?

by El Gunner Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:29 pm

che wrote:that's exactly what arsenal were getting into... a guy who strolls around the final third picking passes, with a tendency to completely disappear out of a game once/twice a month

he still has the ability to get you a good number of points on assists alone, even more if arsenal were playing an actual forward, not a traffic cone

by El Gunner Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:33 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:so wait a minute, you've been top of table all season, today you had a disastrous game for a number of reasons, with Özil's performance surely not in the top 5 of those reasons, and now is the time to really get to the bottom of this Özil problem, right?

As I've said it's something that's been bothering me for a while now. If you had been a regular in post-match threads in the Arsenal section this season you would've known.

I admit that the result and performance today was frustrating and it was the catalyst to me just wanting to speak my mind on him.

by Jay29 Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:42 pm

Well this post doesn't counter anything I've said. If it was supposed to.

You're just basically saying that it isn't working at the moment. That something needs to change. And that I completely agree with.

So is Özil good enough that we change and base our game for/on him? We'll need an awful lot of changes and maybe even new players, because as you said a lot of our players have the style of coming to the ball rather than making runs.

Maybe, the Özil signing was just more to uplift the spirit around the club and maybe not well thought out tactically-wise.

I was speaking generally in response to anyone who thought Ozil has been "underwhelming" this season. If you dislike the style of the player than I can't, and won't, dispute that. The only thing I can say is that whatever expectation we had of him need to be tempered.

The changes Arsenal can make is putting Ramsey and Walcott back into the side and bringing in a more mobile striker, and regardless of Ozil, those are things they should be doing anyway, circumstances allowing. That's not a lot of changes, nor is it anything difficult to implement.

I'm of the belief that Ozil is good enough to base our game on, because for all his faults, there are few players with his vision and ability to create chances. His lack of work rate hasn't hindered Arsenal defensively this season and is, perhaps, overstated. He plays in a position where you can afford a bit of luxury, so long as you compensate else where in the team, which we do by having a very hard working striker in Giroud.

Wenger will have had a plan in mind when he signed Ozil. Although our most pressing need then was a striker, we did also need a no. 10. It just so happens that Ozil came first.

by M99 Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:43 pm

Feel for him.

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by sportsczy Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:03 pm

He got benched last year a lot and got benched by Carlo this year because of his work rate... he's very lazy. The issue that kept coming up was that his off the pitch lifestyle was affecting his on the pitch performance. I don't know about that. But he did hang out with Ramos a lot and Ramos hits the night spots a lot.

What it comes down to it, he's a wing player... not a CF As a wing player, you need to do a minimum of defensive work which Ozil doesn't often do. If by chance you don't defend at all, then you need to be a complete firecracker on the attack since you're supposed to have saved all your energy for that.

A shame with Ozil... wonderful talent. But he's acting like Berbatov.

by B-Mac Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:26 pm

Rooney>>>Ozil

said it before say it again

by Toffer Harley Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:28 pm

yea, cauz they are so similar..

by B-Mac Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:29 pm

Toffer Harley wrote:yea, cauz they are so similar..

positionally they are both #10's...

by Ion Creanga Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:35 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:so wait a minute, you've been top of table all season, today you had a disastrous game for a number of reasons, with Özil's performance surely not in the top 5 of those reasons and now is the time to really get to the bottom of this Özil problem, right?

well, he was at fault for the third goal and was useless the rest of the game against a Liverpool defense that doesn't shine... Not as bad as Mertesacker for sure, who got outplayed by every Pool player that got near the Arsenal's box.

by Valkyrja Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:36 pm

if you dislike Ozil as a footballer means that you didn't taste Isco Laughing

by Lord Awesome Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:43 pm

Meh, simple Knee-Jerk.

Right about Ozil but I don't think it's him who should be criticized. Wenger should know his players.

Also Isco =/= Ozil. Isco an SS. Ozil's a true AM. :coffee:

by The Franchise Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:47 pm

The easiest way to put this is, he is a 10, what did you expect really?

You keep saying midfielder, like they are all one big bracket of players who all do the same thing and you expect them all to do the same thing.

Which do you know which doesnt stroll around to some degree and then try through passes which fail more than they work..that's the nature of the pass, that's why only certain talents are capable of them at all.

Which 10 do you know which retreats into defensive position as fast as he lost the ball?

Hardly any is the answer.

Nothing has changed and nothing will change, there are no perfect players out there who have it all. Ozil no different, he has flaws like anyone else.

That wont change your opinion of him, but maybe you should keep in mind what he is and what can do and what he cant.

You cant really blame players for not doing things they havent done before.

Be thankful you have him, because nearly everyone within the club speaks about the change he has brought to the team's psychology.

by VendettaRed07 Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:57 pm

Stupid thread. Ozil is a fantastic player. without any wingers or strikers what the hell is he supposed to do

We came unprepared. Made no sort of tactical adjustments. That's it.

by Mr Nick09 Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:00 pm

Dani is perfectly correct. Players are what they are, anf fustration only comes when you imagine a player to be more than he is, or you think him capable of doing the impossible simply because he is being lavished with useless terms like "best n10 in europe".

At the end of the day, all you said about Ozil is true but that's the kind of player he is. You can enhance his qualities by the type of team that you build around him. For example, a double pivot of arteta and wilshere when you have Ozil at AM is extremely risky. What are you doing as a team to compensate for him? and what are you doing as a team to enhance his passing and vision? do you have a wide threat? or quality CF? Ozil is not Zidane, he isnt going to rule a game by himself, and even Zidane needed help

by Pedram Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:02 pm

This is why we got rid of him, he's so lazy and uninvolved sometimes, doesn't come back to help defensive midfielders which put extra pressure on defenders.

by Hapless_Hans Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:05 pm

El Gunner wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:so wait a minute, you've been top of table all season, today you had a disastrous game for a number of reasons, with Özil's performance surely not in the top 5 of those reasons, and now is the time to really get to the bottom of this Özil problem, right?
As I've said it's something that's been bothering me for a while now. If you had been a regular in post-match threads in the Arsenal section this season you would've known.

I admit that the result and performance today was frustrating and it was the catalyst to me just wanting to speak my mind on him.

fair enough, I can see how he can be frustrating to watch, but I think there are misunderstandings involved.
Just because he isn't the kind of player to rum 30m with the ball, score a screamer and then pound his chest doesn't mean he doesn't make things happen, but he is first and foremost a player that needs to play TOGETHER with other players.
Also his body language isn't that of Wilshere for example, Wilshere is always like 'look at me, I'm making a statement', while Özil is more like 'move on, nothing to see here'. If you dislike that, sure.

On the other hand I think he IS already working well with your midfield, it's just that he doesn't mind keeping and passing the ball around if there are no clear opportunities to play a through ball.
That may not be spectacular, but for me it's better than to lose the ball in a hastily executed attack.
I've also heard Arsenal fans say, "he was 50m, he should win us games on his own like Suarez ffs" -well as Jay said he's not that kind of player, and it's not his fault a) that his price tag is so high (and that you overpaid for him) and b) that you're so starved of expensive signings that this one has so much meaning attached.

In today's game, you might ask why you are playing such a high defensive line against such quick and strong on the counter strikers when your pressing is only half ass, and when your fullbacks can't handle going forward like that. You could ask if not maybe Gibbs could've started, or Rosicky for the Ox.

by Highburied Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:05 pm

In games like these, its much better to just let it go and move on because if we want to scapegoat than its so easy.

Özil is a fancy player and Fabregas was no different but our team was built around him and with Özil is hard a little because our main player in attack is Giroud :facepalm:

by Bellabong Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:06 pm

I have been saying Özil is lazy/complacent since the EUROS...

by Highburied Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:08 pm

And some kneejerk smart asses here are pathetic.

How many times I have to read... "I have been saying bla bla.."

Gtfo

by Toffer Harley Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:14 pm

B-Mac wrote:
Toffer Harley wrote:yea, cauz they are so similar..

positionally they are both #10's...

thanks sherlock, and that's also where pretty much all similarities end. standing in the garage doesn't make you a car.

by Lord Awesome Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:20 pm

Fabregas actually had workrate, though.

Also, let's not make Giroud the scapegoat.

by Pedram Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:28 pm

60 minute player who can't run more than 9km a game.

Wenger should give him more rest, maybe he's just isn't used to EPL's schedule.

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